apparently the guy he shot sustained a heart attack today

the news just looooooooves to drag this type of shit out hake:

the VP was at fault not the guy that got shot. It was an accident but the victim was not at fault. Even in an accident someone can still be at fault, I dont think any kind of criminal prosecution should happen but he should have known what lied behind his target


RULE #1
always know your target and what lies behind it



its that simple

They could have swerved to the right, into the ditch. It is against the law in all states to cross over the line into oncoming traffic, except in a pasing zone when the way is clear.

yup they were discussing if dick cheney is a liability to the white house and shit on the news rolleyes:

Ok, the VP 1st. It was an accident plain and simple. Was there some level of negligence? Perhaps but from both parties. Both parties made errors which supported the chances of an accident happening.

2nd, the girls in the car. Supposed they hit the deer and it came through the windshield and killed the passenger. Who's at fault? Driver couldn't swerve to the left because of the truck, couldn't go right because of the 1000 ft cliff and she couldn't stop in time because she was doing 55mph (the speed limit) and the deer just darted out in the road. Who's at fault? That is a clear example of "No Fault".

Any of you guys actually handle real firearms? (No, paintball guns don't count). Next time you go into the field or the range, watch others. You can see people making mistakes all the time. Fingers in the trigger guard when not on target, pointing a loaded weapon in a direction other than downrange, Getting a stovepipe and not knowing what to do 1st, shooting at target without realizing the line of fire travel once past the target....etc, etc. Both Cheney and Whittington are responsible to the events leading up to the shooting.

I don't see ahy anyone is arguing about this...who the fuck would say Cheeney is clear of any wrong doing? he shot someone for fucks sakes...accident or not he still shot someone...

Hell you're supposed to look before you do something...do an environment check to make sure shits clear...if some kid jumps into the water and then some guy walks by...it is still the jumpers fault for hitting the guy because he should of saw that someone else was close.

Cheeney is deserving of some penealty and punishment for this.

Yeah do not ever slow down for a deer, it will just hurt even more if you try and swerve around it and go into a ditch or another car. I know back on Quantico there are deer out all the time on the roads. They always tell us if a deer comes out dont fucking stop or slam on the breaks just plow right through it.

there were mountains on the one side if I recall correctly and I don't think the truck was visible when she swerved. This girl drove a honda civic, that car hitting a deer at highway speed would have messed up the car and both passengers. No fault.

Also, I'm pretty sure the guy would have to press charges to get Cheney prosecuted, and they were pretty good friends from what I hear, so I wouldn't expect it.

Should of bought a decent car.

yeah, that may have sounded funny in your head, but it's actually a jackass thing to say.

I always thought it was common knoledge that if something is blocking the road (besides humans...i guess) the most important thing is to keep driving...because swerving away just adds to the problem.

Hell if everyone is happy to kill deers hunting...why expect someone to swerve...at leats it is purposlly getting in your way unlike int he forest.

I know about the mountains. Someone here wanted an example of "No Fault" and my fictional story was one of "No Fault". It was just an example.

....and Pyro, you never cease to amaze me with the shit that comes from your warped mind. Tell me your whole existance on this forum is just for our enjoyment. There's no way you're like that in person....please tell us that.

The fact that I don't like hondas?

The fact that hitting a deer is better than fucking up your own life?

or the fact that cheeney should get in shit for what he did?

Yeah, that's what I really think.

Maybe the girls should of been driving in the speed limit and were watching the road to see if something was going to move infront of them...if they had time to swerve.,..they had time to look too.

No, this cock statement.
1. Should of bought a decent car.

How in the fuck would driving anything other than a Honda make a difference when confronted with a semi head on? Get your head out of your ass.

My comment had to do with the bolded comment and not the rest of the post...im just saying that driving a honda sucks...and they could of die din something decent. Who wants to die drving a honda?

The question is not who wants to die in *insert brand here* car, its who wants to die at all? No one. First thing I learned when driving was that if a deer or something small walked into the road, it might hurt hitting it, but Ill live. If its bigger than a deer(horse, cow, moose etc.) you put your foot on the brake, and push that pedal through the floor.
Pyro I think you live in a more urban setting(correct me if Im wrong) so let me put it into perspective for your feeble mind . Your average deer stands no more than 4.5 feet tall at the shoulders. They weigh in up to I dunno 200lbs or so. Hitting them is probably not going to kill you unless something weird happens.
I myself have seen moose that stand over 6 feet tall at the shoulder, and weighting in well over 1,000 pounds. I have nearly hit 3 moose, countless deer, a bear, and various other animals and I will say that seeing a moose in the road scared me the most. Each time I have managed to stop in time, once within 10 feet of the moose, which from that distance took up the entire windshield. I have also nearly hit two moose at once. I have had a friend die a horrible death because of a moose. He was driving a civic, at night, doing the speed limit, paying attention to the road, but the moose ran out from the woods and he had no time to react.
Most people who have not expierenced things such as the above, or who have not been warned/trained/prepaired to expierence a deer or such in the road might react in a way that causes them or others harm, it happens. However if you are prepaired for it, then you will have a better chances at survival.
Now despite everything, despite any training you've had and everything yo uahve learned. Sometimes when something surpises you, you just react. In the case of these girls They probably justt reacted. Yes they probably would have lived if they went any direction except left, but if your minds eye sees empty road to the left, you in a car, and danger ahead, its goign ot push you to the left. The fact a semi was there did not occur to them nor is it the girls faults. And lets face it, anycar against a semi is basically certain death(look back a few pages to thread about the heavy duty deisel pickup that hit a semi head on). Now stop insulting peoples dead friends, and peers.
AS for cheney, well Ill make a guess hes been hunting for more than that one trip, He has used a shotgun before, he knows the laws and all that. Now, he should also have a mature and well trained mind to know to take that half a second longer than needed to make sure shooting in that direction was ok. From the sound of it, if cheney aimed any higher the guy might not be alive. Thus cheney is at serious fault for this incident, as is the other man for not saying he was walking into the shooting area.

Well...im all for hitting the deer over swerving.

I wouldn't mind seeing cheney holding a press conference, just to say hes sorry.

Same, well to start i dont like Cheney anyway but eh.

he will be on FOX News tonight 6pm

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he will be on FOX News tonight 6pm[/quote:b34c2]that's too mainstream. Machette has those channels blocked on his cable.

I don't get that channel..Coleman always on my ass, I swear man.

spank: biggrin: you know we just go back and forth at eachother. beer:

He admitted he was drunk.

[quote:ae4d0]Q Was anybody drinking in this party?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: No. You don't hunt with people who drink. That's not a good idea. We had --

Q So he wasn't, and you weren't?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Correct. We'd taken a break at lunch -- go down under an old -- ancient oak tree there on the place, and have a barbecue. I had a beer at lunch. After lunch we take a break, go back to ranch headquarters. Then we took about an hour-long tour of ranch, with a ranch hand driving the vehicle, looking at game. We didn't go back into the field to hunt quail until about, oh, sometime after 3:00 p.m.

The five of us who were in that party were together all afternoon. Nobody was drinking, nobody was under the influence.[/quote:ae4d0]

1 beer over 1 hour = not intoxicated at all.

offtopic here, but pyro can you give a good reason why you dont like hondas? better yet, do you even know ANYTHING about cars to make that statement? plzdie:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4715232.stm

"Katharine Armstrong, the owner of the private ranch where the accident occurred, said Mr Cheney had turned round to shoot at a bird, unaware Mr Whittington was behind him, and sprayed him with shotgun pellets."

annoy:

Why are you quoting that? That scenario has been established from the get go.

HANG THE NIG !!!

[quote="Short Hand":673d3]HANG THE NIG !!![/quote:673d3]
*urgent backup required corner Gf1 & Vine* ed:

HANG THE LIMY AUSSIE !!!

I don't see what the big deal is, accidents happen. I'm sure if it was some local Chicago man who shot a friend on a hunting trip while it was dusk, it wouldn't make the front page of the sun times.

I read somewhere that Katherine Armstrong was a republican lobbyist...

and the guy who got shot owns the building that holds RNC meetings...who cares.

Just saying... oOo:

Punch him in the sack Machette!!!!

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dance:

cuase it was said somewhere that whittington had walked in front of cheney, so it was his fault for getting shot. if he was behind cheney and the VP had to turn around to shoot, then dick should have been paying attention to what was in front of his face - as he obviously wasnt in front of him before.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/17/cheney/index.html:7b7d2]Shooting victim apologizes to vice president[/url:7b7d2]

rofl

IM SORRY THAT YOU SHOT ME!