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Arkan 07-02-2007 01:08 PM

or, you can just be like this parent....


California Mom Charged in Gang Shooting

Jun 30, 4:07 AM (ET)


PALMDALE, Calif. (AP) - A mother faces firearms charges after she allegedly drove her son's friends to a rival gang member's house to take part in a shooting, authorities said.

Michelle Wright, 37, pleaded not guilty Thursday to three counts of assault with a firearm and one count of shooting a firearm at a dwelling, said Los Angeles County sheriff's Detective Robert Gillis on Friday. She was held on $250,000 bail.

Wright drove her son's two friends to a rival gang member's house in Palmdale early Tuesday, authorities said. One of the son's friends got out and fired at a bedroom window before the three drove away.

Two small children and a teen were in the room, but no one was injured.

Detectives acting on a tip arrested the woman's son and the gunman, Gillis said. Authorities recovered a shotgun they suspect was used in the shooting, he said.

Wright told authorities she drove her son's friends to do the shooting because she believed police were not doing enough to stop gang members from harassing her children, Gillis said.

Wright's son and the two other teens, whom authorities have accused of being members of a street gang, were charged and held in juvenile custody.

An attorney representing Wright could not be located, and her phone number was unlisted.

Palmdale is located in northern Los Angeles County.

Tripper 07-02-2007 01:28 PM

My post got deleted?

It was an important post. You should delete everyone elses too if youre gonna puill rank like that.

Jotun 07-02-2007 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eeves
jeeeeezuz Jotun, i think you are being narrow minded here. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to be an ass but i think the reason why you are still arguing is because of this "all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it." I understand that your friends might be cool but not every skater is.

Arkan isnt saying that a physical beating is needed everytime. sLet me put is this way; some kids get their asses beat by their parents almost every fucking time they get in trouble but they keep getting in trouble...

I think what Arkan is trying to tell you is that sometimes a physical beating might make a kid understand that what he did was wrong - on another cases just a chat might make a kid understand that...Is not about the fear (of getting beat) but rather about consequence...if you do something wrong suspect some sort of punishment afterwards...

maybe so, but im trying to make a point. i dont see where people get all of these shitty notions about skaters. of course i've met dick skaters, there ARE plenty, but the majority are pretty relaxed and normal people. this whole stereotype of the skater thinking they are better is formed by the few dick skaters and the fact that people like to judge others without getting to know them.

and the whole beating your kid thing. people can do what they want, but i dont think even putting the slightest idea of violence or fear into your kid is necessary. i cant speak from experience, but i know i will never want to harm my child.

Pyro 07-02-2007 02:34 PM

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I like how the skateboarders will tell you that its a whole way of life and that skateboarding is so deep and all this shit.

but when he gets in trouble for it he breaks it down to the most basic level

"You are arresting us for riding pieces of wood?"

Thats really the beauty of it. Taking something so basic and having so much fun with it.

and thinking you're the fucking shit cuz of it

oh all the cocky groups in high school the msot hated was always the skaters cuz they thought they were so cool..but really they were the joke.

you're an idiot. why dont you take a fucking second to get to know them rather than being the pathetic pale "young adult" that you are talking shit about them on the internet?

all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it. they just like to skate. we go to the skate park all the time and thrash, maybe you guys should try it sometime. they are all good people too, especially when it comes to people outside our group.

and arkan, my parents are awesome people that never hit me or my brother or sister, and we are fine. theres more to discipline than fear of physical beating.

I knew every single person in my grade...and I frequented every group...all of them racially or socially divided while my group was the only diverse one in existance by the looks of it...and only kids i couldn't stand were the skaters...cuz you HAD to be one of them to be accepted.

Arkan 07-02-2007 02:35 PM

Trip, dunno what happened to your post.

Jotun, a kick in the ass isn't gonna harm your child. I never got hurt by either of my parents growing up even though i caught a kick in the ass a few times. Even got a kick in the ass from my middle school principal for fighting. Sure was better than the 3 day suspension he offered as an alternative to the kick in the ass. Told mom about it 15 years later....the statute of limitations on getting in trouble for fighting ran out, so i was safe letting her know.

anti 07-02-2007 03:40 PM

when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

butch 07-02-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

Its not really being scared of my dad, I loved my dad and he loved me. It wasnt like he batted me around just for the hell of it. When I deserved it...i got it. So when I was out about to do something I know I shouldnt it always occured to me first, is this really worth getting a kick in the ass over and mostly the answer came back no.

As to those kids in the video, its their mouths that got them in trouble. Had they listened and been respectful of the officer none of that would have happened. They pushed and he pushed back harder. I would hate to have had the officer cuff me when I was that age and then he called my dad and explained how I had behaved and talked to him. Id been beggin the officer to leave me in the jail!!! Home is the last place I would have wanted to go.

There's a simple lesson that was taught to every kid a long time ago called respect for your elders. When speaking to a person much older then yourself its suposed to be yes sir or no sir, The way those kids were talking its a wonder they all didnt end up with a fat lip. And I think they should have!!!

butch 07-02-2007 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

Its not really being scared of my dad, I loved my dad and he loved me. It wasnt like he batted me around just for the hell of it. When I deserved it...i got it. So when I was out about to do something I know I shouldnt it always occured to me first, is this really worth getting a kick in the ass over and mostly the answer came back no.

As to those kids in the video, its their mouths that got them in trouble. Had they listened and been respectful of the officer none of that would have happened. They pushed and he pushed back harder. I would hate to have had the officer cuff me when I was that age and then he called my dad and explained how I had behaved and talked to him. Id been beggin the officer to leave me in the jail!!! Home is the last place I would have wanted to go.

There's a simple lesson that was taught to every kid a long time ago called respect for your elders. When speaking to a person much older then yourself its suposed to be yes sir or no sir, The way those kids were talking its a wonder they all didnt end up with a fat lip. And I think they should have!!!

butch 07-02-2007 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

Its not really being scared of my dad, I loved my dad and he loved me. It wasnt like he batted me around just for the hell of it. When I deserved it...i got it. So when I was out about to do something I know I shouldnt it always occured to me first, is this really worth getting a kick in the ass over and mostly the answer came back no.

As to those kids in the video, its their mouths that got them in trouble. Had they listened and been respectful of the officer none of that would have happened. They pushed and he pushed back harder. I would hate to have had the officer cuff me when I was that age and then he called my dad and explained how I had behaved and talked to him. Id been beggin the officer to leave me in the jail!!! Home is the last place I would have wanted to go.

There's a simple lesson that was taught to every kid a long time ago called respect for your elders. When speaking to a person much older then yourself its suposed to be yes sir or no sir, The way those kids were talking its a wonder they all didnt end up with a fat lip. And I think they should have!!!

butch 07-02-2007 09:33 PM

Sorry about that...I was getting an error message while trying to post.

Eight Ace 07-02-2007 09:36 PM

u notice we never have this type of trouble with roller-skaters....just an obsevation.

Coleman 07-02-2007 09:52 PM

i poop on this thread

Tripper 07-02-2007 10:18 PM

IM WITH YOU ARKIN

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE!!!

IM WITH YOU ARKIN

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE!!!

IM WITH YOU ARKIN

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE!!!

IM WITH YOU ARKIN

AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE!!!

Arkan 07-02-2007 10:51 PM

lol

Merlin122 07-02-2007 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by butch
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Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

I loved my dad and he loved me.

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Originally Posted by butch
Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

I loved my dad and he loved me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by butch
Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

I loved my dad and he loved me.


Eight Ace 07-02-2007 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coleman
i poop on this thread

then it's just as well that this thread now comes with twice the absorbency of regular threads!

Arkan 07-02-2007 11:36 PM

This thread is nearing the end.......i can just feel it.

Simo Häyhä 07-03-2007 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
This thread is nearing the end.......i can just feel it.

IM W/ U ARKIN

eeves 07-03-2007 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

So disrespecting a police officer or breaking the law(this relates to the first topic of the thread) isnt being a cheeky fuck?

"if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap"
"parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting"

eh? contradiction?


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Originally Posted by Jotun
Quote:

Originally Posted by eeves
jeeeeezuz Jotun, i think you are being narrow minded here. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to be an ass but i think the reason why you are still arguing is because of this "all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it." I understand that your friends might be cool but not every skater is.

Arkan isnt saying that a physical beating is needed everytime. sLet me put is this way; some kids get their asses beat by their parents almost every fucking time they get in trouble but they keep getting in trouble...

I think what Arkan is trying to tell you is that sometimes a physical beating might make a kid understand that what he did was wrong - on another cases just a chat might make a kid understand that...Is not about the fear (of getting beat) but rather about consequence...if you do something wrong suspect some sort of punishment afterwards...

maybe so, but im trying to make a point. i dont see where people get all of these shitty notions about skaters. of course i've met dick skaters, there ARE plenty, but the majority are pretty relaxed and normal people. this whole stereotype of the skater thinking they are better is formed by the few dick skaters and the fact that people like to judge others without getting to know them.

and the whole beating your kid thing. people can do what they want, but i dont think even putting the slightest idea of violence or fear into your kid is necessary. i cant speak from experience, but i know i will never want to harm my child.



I think the only one making "shitty notions about skaters" is pyro which some will tell you to ignore...and his logic doesnt quite make sense - since well isnt "cool" one of the things you look in someone you want to be around? (im using cool as a general word which includes all the "friendship" bullshit)

Jotun, the example i wrote about the kid getting the shit beat out everytime could also be riversed. Like how about the kids that never have gotten beat but they still get in trouble? Im merely suggesting that maybe both could work better. Maybe slaps earlier in life and chats later?

Jotun 07-03-2007 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by eeves
Quote:

Originally Posted by anti
when you guys talk about all these kids being cheeky fucks, i really don't see it, at all. even still, if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap. that should be the very last resort to discipline a child. kids are assholes because their parents didn't raise them right to begin wtih, and now you want them to get hit for it? that's a great way for it to go down, have their daddy that never cared about them start raising his hand in anger.
parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting, it's been documented and studied. too many negative consequences come from it, and it leaves alot of negative impacts on the kid. i couldn't imagine being physically scared of my father, it was disappointing him that deterred me from doing anything.

So disrespecting a police officer or breaking the law(this relates to the first topic of the thread) isnt being a cheeky fuck?

"if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap"
"parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting"

eh? contradiction?


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Originally Posted by Jotun
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Originally Posted by eeves
jeeeeezuz Jotun, i think you are being narrow minded here. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to be an ass but i think the reason why you are still arguing is because of this "all my friends skate and they dont make a big deal about it." I understand that your friends might be cool but not every skater is.

Arkan isnt saying that a physical beating is needed everytime. sLet me put is this way; some kids get their asses beat by their parents almost every fucking time they get in trouble but they keep getting in trouble...

I think what Arkan is trying to tell you is that sometimes a physical beating might make a kid understand that what he did was wrong - on another cases just a chat might make a kid understand that...Is not about the fear (of getting beat) but rather about consequence...if you do something wrong suspect some sort of punishment afterwards...

maybe so, but im trying to make a point. i dont see where people get all of these shitty notions about skaters. of course i've met dick skaters, there ARE plenty, but the majority are pretty relaxed and normal people. this whole stereotype of the skater thinking they are better is formed by the few dick skaters and the fact that people like to judge others without getting to know them.

and the whole beating your kid thing. people can do what they want, but i dont think even putting the slightest idea of violence or fear into your kid is necessary. i cant speak from experience, but i know i will never want to harm my child.



I think the only one making "shitty notions about skaters" is pyro which some will tell you to ignore...and his logic doesnt quite make sense - since well isnt "cool" one of the things you look in someone you want to be around? (im using cool as a general word which includes all the "friendship" bullshit)

Jotun, the example i wrote about the kid getting the shit beat out everytime could also be riversed. Like how about the kids that never have gotten beat but they still get in trouble? Im merely suggesting that maybe both could work better. Maybe slaps earlier in life and chats later?

i could never tell you how someone should be a parent, im just saying i dont think i would ever hit my child, even if it is just a tiny slap or kick or whatever. like it was said before, this is a clash between 2 different generations, and its all very personal.

Simo Häyhä 07-03-2007 03:49 AM

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anti 07-03-2007 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eeves

So disrespecting a police officer or breaking the law(this relates to the first topic of the thread) isnt being a cheeky fuck?

"if they are in need of parenting, it's parenting they need; not a fucking slap"
"parenting with physical violence is the worst form of parenting"

eh? contradiction?

cheeky fuck statement was a general statement made in regards to the generalizations of gerv and others.

congrats, you know how to be overly literal. let me fix my statement so you can't nitpick;
"if they are in need of parenting, it's good parenting they need; not a fucking slap"


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