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I just played a little more Enter the Matrix, and in it there's a person that say's "72 hours...that's how long Zion lasted before"
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i finally saw reloaded today! im glad i read parts of this thread, cuz i stayed till the end, unlike 90 percent of the boons who left at the credits lol. ty d00ds! the wachowski bros have ushered in a new era of filmaking ed: truly amazing film
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As for the further debate of ZION=NOTHER LEVL OF MATRIX - if we assume that the storytelling extends into different media (games, animated movies), then the song "Sleeping Awake" could provide some answers in and of itself. |
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Not exactly, ED. Consider that most problems can, on a very basic level, be solved by mathematical equations. So discovering how to clone from strands of DNA or single cells would be the logical solution of a number of mathematical equations. This would place it well within the realm of a machine to discover. Keep in mind that they "discovered" other things (i.e., using humans as energy, writing new and better programs, creating more intelligent machines [bomb-hurling sentinels], how to dominate commerce [the Animatrix]). It's all about math. |
Machines cannot think. Commerce, using humans as batteries - these are all solutions brought about by information ALREADY provided in databanks. Machines that hurl bombs is a strategem easily brought about by "reading" THE BIBLE. Machines cannot do what Humans can do, and that is be "inspired". They can only infer from present data that is already available to them, and attempt to make leaps from there, putting two and two together. However, only the most rudimentary of 'inventions' will be achieved since inspiration is a decidedly human quality.
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Ed, machines can bang each other for all we know, this is a movie!
There's so many small hints in the movie, it's almost impossible to guess what the hell the next one will be like. What about the part where Neo told the Architech that he needs humans to live, and the Architech says something like "We can find others means of energy"? |
your forgetting that they're AI, they've been programmed to think. If they didn't think then how did the war start in the first place? If they didn't think then they would've done what the humans told them to do, not attack or defend themselves in a war. And after the war they thought of the way to use humans as batteries (somehow I doubt that that was in the "database.")
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Nah, the Architect says "There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept".
This doesn't imply a new source of energy: if the machines actually thought, they would have made one or more separate Matrices to have constant energy sources... |
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appropriate course of action based on their present situation: the amount of knowledge they had access to is incredible - just think of today's internet... |
Agent Smith "discovered" a way to clone himself.
Many of the rogue programs in the movie seem to have mind and motivation of their own. It seems obvious to me that humans created a perfect AI, one that can think as we think. They did organize and take over, after all. And like I said about cloning.. the idea is there right this very second.. they just have to solve the math to make it work. |
As SLOI has said, THE ARCHITECT is basically poker-facing NEO, telling him that if he rebels and THE MATRIX wipes out every person connected to it, the machines will find another means to survive.
Regarding AI information - I agree, the Machines are putting two and two together and coming up with things. But some of the greatest inventions have come not from thinking in equations but from stepping OUTSIDE the box. The ORACLE ONLY figures out the problem of the MATRIX by looking at PAST information on human behavior, not taking a radical leap of thought and applying a solution. I will give that MACHINES can run though data and come at a solution using existing information, but they cannot "dream" or have bursts of "inspiration". INSPIRATION is what creates greatness and why the anamoly exists - the MACHINES dont have the inspiration to create a solution. |
Well put, but the argument is whether or not machines could advance cloning to the point that in vitro would no longer be necessary. Which I think is highly likely, considering that since the process of cloning in such a manner has already been thought up, it is a simple progression of mathematical solutions to reach success.
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Just out of curiosity, have you forgotten to factor in that the dead is fed intreviniously to the living?
Also, is the babies birth a part of the Matrix as well? How is the child concieved in real life? Who knows.. :) |
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the machines absolutely use IN VITRO to create new humans. What I meant to say was that machines do in fact have easy ways of creating new humans, be it the aformentioned method or another... |
I still don't think the whole "Matrix within a Matrix" concept is what it boils down too, personally I think that's too lame for the Watchhagmrkgkgkoski brothers. oOo:
I think they left you thinking "What the hells going to happen now?". Also, the fact that Neo fainted when he attacked the machines makes me believe he's not in a Matrix, too. |
Ok, I finished the ETM game, and have a few more things to add:
1) That girl, Penelophia or whatever her name is, defineatly has something to do with the storyline. I think shes a program that was built by the French Guy holding the Keymaker prisioner. When she kissed Neo, she defineatly did something, because she did the same thing to Ghost in the game. 2) In the movie, when Neo fights the first three agents and leaves, who is he looking for, the Oracle? He goes to an empty apartment and says "Where are you?" 3) Ghost (Niobe's 1st mate, the chinese guy with the gotee & mustache) is in love with Trinity, but he's somewhat of a monk, and knows he can't have her because she loves Neo, and he's in celibicy. |
Also, the French Guy's cronies, even the one the chick shot with the pee-shooter are vampires. A few ways to tell:
1) They were watching a movie with vampires in it. 2) When she shoots the first one she says "My husband kept them because they're hard as hell to kill. How many people do you know keep silver bullets in their gun?" Silver kills vampires. 3) In the game, all of his cronies are vampires. I wonder if this reflects to what the Oracle said about "Everytime you hear someone talk about a ghost, vampire, warewolf, or alien, it's someone changing a program in the Matrix." |
Sorry to keep posting, I keep forgetting shit!
Also, if you watched the trailer for the 3rd one, you'll see a guy for a splitsecond, that looks a little like Christphor Lloyd (Doc from Back to the Future) with long hair. In the game, when Niobe is going to use the phone to leave, he walks up laughing saying ". . .72 hours. . .72 hours" She says "What's 72 hours?" He goes "Thats how long it took to drestroy Zion the last time, 72 hours!" She goes "Who are you?" He says "Just someone along for the ride. . ." then he walks away, and keeps saying 72 hours. |
[quote="Bazooka_Joe":4f7fb]Sorry to keep posting, I keep forgetting shit!
Also, if you watched the trailer for the 3rd one, you'll see a guy for a splitsecond, that looks a little like Christphor Lloyd (Doc from Back to the Future) with long hair. In the game, when Niobe is going to use the phone to leave, he walks up laughing saying ". . .72 hours. . .72 hours" She says "What's 72 hours?" He goes "Thats how long it took to drestroy Zion the last time, 72 hours!" She goes "Who are you?" He says "Just someone along for the ride. . ." then he walks away, and keeps saying 72 hours.[/quote:4f7fb] Interesting... I'm going to start playing the game tonight! biggrin: |
hmmmm all this conversation has led me to decide to see this amazing film once more.
Could it be the "real world" with Zion in it is simply Version 5? Or the Matrix is Version 6 and the "real world" is gonna be the next matrix; Matrix Version 7? |
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1) That girl, Penelophia or whatever her name is, defineatly has something to do with the storyline. I think shes a program that was built by the French Guy holding the Keymaker prisioner. When she kissed Neo, she defineatly did something, because she did the same thing to Ghost in the game.[/quote:b941e] Hmm... I still think the emotions of love play a big part in this movie. It is how Neo became the one, and also how he determined the fate of the world. |
there is one thing that we can be absolutely certain of, and that is that Persephone (Monica Belluci) has the finest ass (and rest of body) ever.
When the Merovingian (whatever he's called) says "I survived your predecessors, and I will survive you", does he mean, Neo's predecessors, or the predecessors of the rebels and everyone plugged into the Matrix? |
Neo's predecessors. The anomilies of "The One".
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I was just thinking, that the Matrix is a giant computer program, right? Well, i hope its not on the Windows OS, or that thing will crash.
The blue screen of death: "Windows has encountered a fatal error in C:Program Files/TheMatrix/country/USA/NJ/city/br/person/GregMatlesky. The Matrix will now have to reboot. press any key to be spawned again" biggrin: |
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[quote="Bazooka_Joe":6c472]Silver kills vampires.[/quote:6c472]
Thats Werewolves. Crosses, wooden stakes, garlic, and sunlight kill vampires. Also a cutting a vampire in half down the middle with an enchanted sword seems to kill weaker vampires(Vamp. Hunter D). |
No also silver kills vampires.
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[quote="Gothic_child180":fba23][quote="Bazooka_Joe":fba23]Silver kills vampires.[/quote:fba23]
Thats Werewolves. Crosses, wooden stakes, garlic, and sunlight kill vampires. Also a cutting a vampire in half down the middle with an enchanted sword seems to kill weaker vampires(Vamp. Hunter D).[/quote:fba23] Someone didn't watch Blade. hake: They're highly allergic to silver, and all of the stakes Blade uses are made of silver. |
For some reason people were confused about the matrix since they dont get it very much.
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Haven't you fools seen Blade?! HE has silver bullets,silver spikes and silver swords!
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Hmm..
After reading the Architect/Neo conversation one more time, I do not think it is absolutely certain that the Oracle is the "Mother of the Matrix". It was never reiterated by the Architect, and I personally think this program he was speaking of was the Merovingian's girlfriend. Perhpaps she knew a thing or two about human psyche.. :) |
[quote="Stinger_Dude":933be]No also silver kills vampires.[/quote:933be]
Depends on whose book you are reading. Anyway, i just saw the movie a couple of days ago. I left teh theater pissed at how sorry it was. Too much fluff (rave scene) and the fight scenes were too long. How is 9 minutes of neo fighting 100 A. Smiths, better than 4? No, those arent the actual lenght, but I found myself getting bored with the "action". Reading this thread has sparked my interest a little, but I can understand why this film isnt, and wont, be the success that the first one was. I am questioning some of the conclusions I had after seeing the movie now. I also have a couple of questions that just dont make sense. - - If neo can stop bullets, why cant he stop a fist???? - If the key maker and the oracle are so resigned to fate, "whatever will happen, will happen", then why do they fear for themselves so much? The keymaker runs at the first sign of danger, and the oracle has a body guard to protect her although all decisions have already been made. Although I dont buy the 2 matrix idea, what it there are 2 matirxes - one for the 99.5% that are content with the life the matrix provides, and a secondone for the .5% that cant deal with it? Also, why let "awakened" humans live. If the arcitect knows that minds are awakened to populate zion, why let the machinces let them live. Why not kill neo when he was awakened instead of flushing him? The few lives lost like that would certainly be better than 6 system anomolies. Of course there would be no movie if that happened, but it seems like a big hole to me. |
Neo should have kicked the architect's ass.
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Get your questions answered here.
http://bones.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=matrix Lots of interesting discussion. The one I find interesting the significance and importance of Agent Smith. Perhaps he is the anomoly. Perhaps the Matrix needs to be reloaded due to this rogue Program. |
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About all those questions: Valid questions. I have them as well. I'd say: It is just a movie. People are making too much of it. It is not real. Define real. Blah blah. The way I see it: Awesome movie, story has many flaws, the lovescene was way too long, and Morpheus's speech is an example of some serious bad acting. But like I said, all in all an awesome movie. Liked part 1 better though. |
Dl Animatrix of kazaa. It really clears alot of things up of MAtrix Reloaded.
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