then you rate yourself to high.

i mean come on. a good player in this type of game has the following

1) situational awareness
2) movment/positioning
3) aim
4) knowledge of the map, using it to his benefit

anyone who has played counter-strike type games knows how to do these and do them well.

now what does CPR change? it changes number 3 only. Now the really good players who can split the ball hair of a gnat at 200 yards with a pistol! can now drop you in 2 shots anywhere on the body.

Now this is the last time i explain this.

VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT, CANNOT BE, AND SHOULDNT BE 100% REALISTIC. If reality is so much fun why are you playing video games in the first place? Shouldnt you be out forming a crack commando squad and taking on your local gang?

That said.

The challenge of MoH/Counter-Strike type games is this.

Hitting your target in specific areas of the body. Also, different weapons in these types of games are SUPPOSED to have differing power levels.

Pistols should be weak overall yet effective in close range

sniper/rifles should be slow with not alot of ammo yet be balls on accurate

SMGs are medium powred and should be great at close range, decent at mid range, and horrible at long range. AND, they should get more inaccurate the longer you hold down the trigger.

MGs are similar to SMGs but more powerful and slightly better at long range due to the lage cartridge.

Shotguns are for close range. usually used for rushing.

Rocket launcher, when used correclty either punches holes in a defense or supresses a rush.

Grenades supress a rush and flush enemies.

CPR RUINS THAT BALANACE

now if none of you understand any of that. well you once and for all prove to me how much you suck at games. which is fine, just be honest with yourself.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madrebel:
and again i dont care about you or what you think of me you uptight euro piece of trash. i make enough money that i dont give a shit what others think about me either so f off.

my points still stand, you suck at MoH and you dont know shit about how games actually work in regards to the networking.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

pathetic

madrebel, I'm not wanting to start a flame war or anything, and I probably overstated my opinion, but listen to yourself man. Take it easy and show some humility dude. In this forum, anybody can claim anything about themselves, whether it's about game-playing prowess or how much money they make, etc. So, don't be surprised if no one takes you seriously as a result.

I know you're wanting to say "if you don't believe I'm good, come join my server and I'll kick your arse!!!" Ordinarily, I love accepting a challenge. However, I would have no desire to play someone who is acting like a prick, (trolling and baiting others). That's not cool. Whether I win or lose against you, your behaviour here suggests you will act like an ass about it.

Take it easy. Sorry, if I came across too rude. Peace?

[This message has been edited by Elvite (edited January 25, 2002).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Black Panzer:
Does the saying"ignore it and it will go away" mean anything to anyone ? What kind of an asshole doesn't aim for the chest or head thats what i'm talking about when i use the kar and shoot someone point blank in the chest it aint gonna tickle asshole!!But on servers without cpr they keep charging at me after having my crosshair set dead on their head or center of their chest .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>'if' you have your crosshair 'directly' on their head youre doing it wrong always lead.

but for sake of argument IF you hit someone in the head with ANY gun in this game they WILL die in one shot.

so you either MISSED or didnt hit them in the head.

move along son

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hellbaby2065:
OK, MadRebel.

Let me put it this way.
Realism = Real life right?
Put an SMG in the hands of a "newbie" in real life.
I guarantee you he/she could kill.

In a CPR mod, a good player will play more conservatively because one shot can kill.
Cover must ALWAYS be used, and you must fall back more often.
It takes absolutely no less skill.

CPR is just more boring in objective/round, because it incites a campfest.

People are so terrified of getting shot at they huddle in a corner and wait for someone to come for them.

Which, in a way, really IS "realism".

P.S.
It's not like 1 shot ALWAYS kills in CPR, I have been shot twice and lived.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i never said 1 shot kills. in fact if you had the ability to comprehend words on the screen you would see in the majority of my comparisions i reference 2 shots as being the defacto CPR 'kill' count.

ive been shot more than twice as well by the shotgun and the pistol(he probably only hit me with a few of the 'shots' with each shot from the shotgun heh)

OK then explain to me the point blank shots to the chest with the kar while the enemy is running up a set of stairs like the ones in stalingrad going up to the blown out section of the building where the three levels are exposed ? I had my mauser at the top of the steps while he was coming up which not only gave me the height advantage but he also didnt notice me till after my second shot when he then proceeded to club me with his pistol. two shots point blank from a weapon that has an effective kill range of 700yds?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madrebel:
in fact if you had the ability to comprehend words on the screen you would see in the majority of my comparisions i reference 2 shots as being the defacto CPR 'kill' count.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need to become insulting, I can comprehend words on a screen just fine thank you.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Black Panzer:
OK then explain to me the point blank shots to the chest with the kar while the enemy is running up a set of stairs like the ones in stalingrad going up to the blown out section of the building where the three levels are exposed ? I had my mauser at the top of the steps while he was coming up which not only gave me the height advantage but he also didnt notice me till after my second shot when he then proceeded to club me with his pistol. two shots point blank from a weapon that has an effective kill range of 700yds?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>you missed man it happens. ive missed many times at close range.....the mauser IS NOT A GOOD CLOSE RANGE WEAPON. it fires slow and its hard to aim.

tip for you.

depending on your ping entirely. ALWAYS shoot in front of(where he is going to if you will) the player.

for instance my ping is usually 20-100. at long range ill lead the length of the crosshair so -|- i will aim *- (picture the * as his head he is moving left to right the - is the lateral left part of the cross hair).

for close range (same as above) i will usually aim more like * -. depending on ping, angle, and movement speed ill aim ahead sometimes as far as an inch or more.

hope that helps. the kar is an awsome weapon whenyou understand how it works and what its strengths are.

oh, aim for the jaw line area, if you score a hit its 50/50 head shot if you miss the head you will probably hit the shoulder/upper chest area.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hellbaby2065:
No need to become insulting, I can comprehend words on a screen just fine thank you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
then please dont put words in my mouth thanks.

Will try it tonight mad , but he was running towards me up the stairs not in a left to right motion might have been a glitch but my crosshair was aim dead on his chest got off 2 rounds and he was still alive.

such is the internet man. its not perfect heh. i find for some odd reason to never be able to hit the 'easy shots' i dont know what it is. i always kick myself too *long string of curse wors* so stupid easy shot damnit!!!

just keep at it learn the leads for your ping and you will own with the kar.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madrebel:
i think my point has been proven by the original poster.

he said he was an average player who normaly has more deaths than kills.

he plays realism now since he doesnt have to have as much skill(only hit once or twice) he is all the sudden more effective.

bottom line cpr removes alot of skill from the game and unbalances the weapons.

but by all means play it that means the non cpr server will have less no talent newbies on them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MOst BS i ever heard. Takes no skill is a typical comment from a DM CS quaker player. Stupid stupid stupid

I don't like the realism mod. Don't particularly like bazookas either, but oh well. Live with it.

Ok - theres NO WAY im going to read through all of your posts. Although I did actually read each of the exchanges between MADA and SIGGI. Fun stuff that actually has me excited about getting back to MOH. Thats right - FRIDAY night and I'm looking forward to an online-game while my counter-parts are out drinking and getting easy sex. GOD THEY SUCK!!!!

In any case - BOTH sides present damn good arguments to the merits of CPR, and non-CPR play style. However, and I cant be arsed to find out who said it, this ISNT a realistic game - and isn't designed as such. That should be accepted by everyone. Noone running, RUNNING, with a bazooka will have the manuverability to not only reload but escape countless weapons firing on them - much less hop their asses out of trouble. But it was coded like that nonetheless. I think MOH has achieved a fairly good game with a basic emphasis on Team-based play. They gave us the keys to the car. We just chose to drive the bastard into a tree.

Which is the problem. You have individuals trying to bring a RAINBOW 6, OPERATION FLASHPOINT realism and game mechanics to a game based on QUAKE 3 - thats just a NO-NO!!!. You're automatically going to come into problems because youre trying to make a game something it is not. When you mod the game as you do - with CPR and such - you take away the intended purpose of the game in the first place. I doubt I'm coming very clear over this computer (almost quittin time, and I can feel my trigger-finger getting itchy), but none of you can truly know the "real-world" mechanics sneccessary to bring such a facet to a game lioke MOH. "REALISM" is a misnomer in itself, expressing some form of unity and predictability to real life events. It doesnt happen that way folks. Sorry. The are a myriad of things that can happen in real-life that a game will not PURPOSELY account for because where is the fun. MOH is at heart a MP game. Bottom line. As such you are going to take hits and still be able to survive. AND walk effeciently into a new room, grab a life pack ff your fallen comrade who didnt survive the ZOOK-attack, and keep on gaming your merry old way. Did any of us complain when MARIO got hit by a fireball from KOOPA and didn't go down from first-degree burns? No. Lol.

And that really is the point - realism to a degree. After a point it becomes a hinderance on a games ability to be the kind of fun and engaging "pop culture" jerk fest that these games are designed for. Truly - if you want ultra-realism in your games, play those that put a premium on it - IL-2 and so on and so forth.

This game is it - to a certain point. And I personally like it as it is.

And MAD - lol, you ARE coming off as an arrogant bastard with no doubt skill - but a bastard nonetheless. SIGGI? - you're coming off as a little stubborn and ignorant by not acknowledging MAD's obvious grasp of the technical side of this argument (trust me - a fool from I.S. read over his post - hes got you there). Both offer damn fine ideas to the contrary, but youre your own worst enemies in getting your points across.

Thus ends my sermon.

(You'd think after 2 hours of reading all this - I'd have more to say...hmmmmm)

EXCELSIO-MATIC!!!!

dude everyone knows mario has an asbestos suit!

and i only act like a dick to stupid people(imo of course). siggi in previous posts ive read of his is just an ignorant moron. he talks like he is an authority but in actuality he is twice as dumb as shit. well spoken shit is still shit.

and to the other guy... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>MOst BS i ever heard. Takes no skill is a typical comment from a DM CS quaker player. Stupid stupid stupid<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ilove people that assume shit. i use counter strike as a basis of comparision seeing as the play style is very similar.

my background goes like this

jedi knight 2+ years, tribes 3 years with various other games mixed in. now i play this game, DAoC and a few others. ive player quake3 and very little quake2. played CS some not alot, enough to know the game. Over all ive more hours of tribes than all other games combined. but youre right, im a quaker/CSer.

reread my post on the 9th page fuck head. if you dont understand this game after that then, as i state in the closing line, you really are a no skilled newbie. Again, there isnt anything wrong with sucking, just be honest with yourself.

Lol. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I've come across a few like this sap madrebel. They are genuinely unaware of how others perceive them. Indeed, they actually think that others are impressed by their hollow posturing and empty boasts.

But they are entertaining. Watching somebody make a complete prick of himself, day after day, is fun. So long as nobody gets hurt. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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U play DAoC!? wut name/ server!!!!!!

Bladesin-22 ranger, Galahad
Endadan Wakkaakkaakkaakkaakkaa- 10 enchanter- Galahad
17 other assorted chars.

occasionally yes

madrebell theurgist lancelot, im only lvl 16 though.

actually its a selfless attempt to get you all to dislike me enough to come play on my server so you can 'attempt' to show me up.

so come play on my server!

oh and siggi i forgot to comment on <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Hey Mad, howdya feel about that bit of public humiliation, you big mouthed know-it-all (not) tosser<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

to that ill say i dont know siggi <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Sorry SIGGI, he took the bait and answered correctly<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> how does it feel?

also in my defense. i wasnt necissarily "building" myself up. my skills were put into question. to that i say, come play me and see for yourself.

until that time stfd and stfu.

[This message has been edited by madrebel (edited January 25, 2002).]

The self-humiliation was in asking a stupid question that was intended to do nothing more than give yourself an opportunity to answer it and try to make yourself look 'smart'. In fact all you did was make yourself look small.

On a serious note you clearly have a bad case of low self esteem. What's more tragic is you are so oblivious to it. If you could read what you post from somebody else's perspective you'd cringe with embarrassment.

But that's your problem. I just get a kick out of watching you perform. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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you, like many others. take internet forums far to seriously. if you think what i say here is in anyway represenative of me in the real world youre, once again, sadly mistaken. i like using forums for entertainment during my othewise boring working day

point still stands though. you dont know a gawd damned thing about what youre talking about. at least i do lol http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by madrebel (edited January 25, 2002).]

but how can you distinguish a server that uses CPR from one that doesn't?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by escarabajo30:
but how can you distinguish a server that uses CPR from one that doesn't?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
one has sucky players(cpr) the other has good players http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif.

actually most cpr servers tack on a [CPR] on the end of the server name.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by First Man Down:
Siggi, it's a videogame. It's not meant to be ultra-realistic. It takes more than a few bullets to take a player down to add difficulty and playability to the game.

Last night I played on a CPR server for the first time. Now, I am a good player, consistantly the top player on a map, but it was just TOO easy. Given that it only takes a few shots, players don't have an opportunity to change direction and face their attacker. Fire fights don't exist, really. It's just mow 'em down, run and gun. No more circling each other, which I find fun. That is what MP is.

MP was never meant to be realistic. Personally, I believe the CPR mod was created for players whom have a hard time getting frags. It's just too bloody easy. The weapons are unbalanced for a reason - one has a trade off, but always has a benefit unto itself. People who whine about shotguns, grenades, and rockets aren't very good.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
youre lying. l33t quakzors cannot possibly be good at CPR. Its to realistic and requires completely different skillz you lying bastard </sarcasm>

if a good palyer who already knows how to get kills (he can shoot well) plays on a server that makes it even easier to get kills. That player DOMINATES.

:wave: first man down

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madrebel:
you, like many others. take internet forums far to seriously. if you think what i say here is in anyway represenative of me in the real world youre, once again, sadly mistaken. i like using forums for entertainment during my othewise boring working day

point still stands though. you dont know a gawd damned thing about what youre talking about. at least i do lol http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[This message has been edited by madrebel (edited January 25, 2002).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah. The holes in that are so big I could drive a bus through them. I take the internet too seriously? You take this second-rate game too seriously mate. Front-line soldiers talk less soldier bollocks than you do, Mr One-Shot-Kill Berringer. Why don't you get into a real game? Not that you'd know one if it hit you in the head, judging by your incredible comments concerning WW2Online's flight models. I mean, that game has to have the most badly modelled a/c of any game in the last ten years.

Ooh...shall I ask you some arcane questions about FM's and DM's. Or aero-dynamics? Lol. Twat. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW~Siggi:
Nah. The holes in that are so big I could drive a bus through them. I take the internet too seriously? You take this second-rate game too seriously mate. Front-line soldiers talk less soldier bollocks than you do, Mr One-Shot-Kill Berringer. Why don't you get into a real game? Not that you'd know one if it hit you in the head, judging by your incredible comments concerning WW2Online's flight models. I mean, that game has to have the most badly modelled a/c of any game in the last ten years.

Ooh...shall I ask you some arcane questions about FM's and DM's. Or aero-dynamics? Lol. Twat. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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2nd rate game? then wtf are you doing playing it? leave if you dont like it. go back to your sim games and leave us all be.

i never clained to be a sim god. i dont know crap about flights models. maybe i should have said this before. what i do know about flight models is from reading discussions from the programmer of ww2online. the same guy that has done other widely played titles. I would think he knows a bit more than you. oh wait i forgot youre siggi you (think you) know all.

so take your old man sim playing ass and leave this 2nd rate game for good.

(my support of ww2online is mostly a moral support, the game has many problems but the idea of the game is extremely cool. i support them because i want a game like that to succeed.)


p.s. you still havent admitted to being wrong about the q3/MoH network model.

[This message has been edited by madrebel (edited January 25, 2002).]

md, you are most likely a physically degenerate human being who got his huge inferiority complex as a direct result of that fact.

I know enough tech to do what I need to do, and succeed. You, on the other hand, clearly attempt to compensate for your physical and psychological inadequacies by accruing huge amounts of anal knowledge and then engineering situations by which you can show it off.

You are a sad loser, a little man with a big chip on his shoulder and a point to prove. A typical keyboard-warrior...big mouth safe at home but a scuttling rat anywhere in a real-world location. I've built up a very clear picture of your psychology from your posts, and you are a weak, insecure and very ineffectual individual.

Go on deluding yourself that you are somebody important...it'll ensure that you never evolve and spend the rest of your life twisted out of shape. Normally I'd pity somebody like you, but you have made obnoxious repulsiveness an art form and I can only say I'd like to see you open your mean mouth in a public venue and get the bitch-slapping you so richly deserve. But then you probably had plenty of those at school, no doubt a contrubutory factor in your development as a pathetic shadow of what a real man should be.

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"jedi knight 2+ years, tribes 3 years with various other games mixed in. now i play this game, DAoC and a few others. ive player quake3 and very little quake2. played CS some not alot, enough to know the game. Over all ive more hours of tribes than all other games combined. but youre right, im a quaker/CSer."

GET A FUCKING LIFE, YOU SAD SACK OF SELF-IMPORTANT DRECK!!!

ROTFLMAO. Really, you are a truely unique individual. I have never before come across somebody so pathetically inadequate whilst being in reality such a complete and total WANKER! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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you assume far to much euro trash boi.

just because you cant play games and have a life doesnt mean everyone cant.
did i mention ive had lots of women during that time? i dont just nerd off on games. although i do find them very entertaining.

mostly because owning people like you makes me laugh.

Here is the official programed accuracy of the stock m1 garand, @300 yds it can hit within a 3ft by 3ft box.


Coders Rock ON!

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Anybody Want to know the other weapons programed accuracy?? I'll e-mail them if you want.


Coders Rock ON!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lehighvalley:
Here is the official programed accuracy of the stock m1 garand, @300 yds it can hit within a 3ft by 3ft box.


Coders Rock ON!

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>not doubting you, but what exactly is your point?

"did i mention ive had lots of women during that time?"

Oh gawd, enough said! ROTFLMAO! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>did i mention ive had lots of women during that time? i dont just nerd off on games. although i do find them very entertaining.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, that little bit of 'self-masturbation' gave me a bit of a chuckle myself as well. Heres a news tip folks, people getting poon dont need to use it as a 'bargaining chip' on a message board. They just do it.

excelsior

Wow, looks like we really got rid of the obnoxious twat! I guess he re-read what he'd posted and died of embarrassment. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Nice overuse of the word twat....but I like it. I playe CPR last night...wasnt that great to me. All the axis swarmed into the spawn and killed us all...then they left two behind and whent to next spawn point...rinse repeat.

Maybe he's busy looking up another quote from his networking textbook? His questions reaked of textbook plagiarism.

madrebel is so obviously a total loser, I don't know whether it's funny or sickening.

I don't want to put him down too much, because he obviously has a real problem with self-esteem, and I don't want him to kill himself. I have the feeling he is passive in real life and tries to make up for it by living his fantasy of being assertive online. I hope he gets help.

However, since he insists on being so obnoxious in public...

According to Professor Mad Rebel, it should read "Oh, I'm sorry. Was that you're head I just put a hole in?"

What kind of moron corrects someone with wrong information?

BTW, on the subject of English spelling and grammar, you keep forgetting that boy is spelled with a Y not an I.

I must applaude Siggi on his repeated use of 'twat.' Consistency is most effective.

The only skill madrebel knows of is aiming, as he admitted in one of his posts. That's why he doesn't like realism. Because it requires other skills that he doesn't have, like being observant, looking around, sneaking, etc. And yes, you can notice if someone is coming up behind you, by using the aforementioned skills. But I guess you prefer to get a 1-shot kill with the sniper while your opponent has to hit you 6 times. Lucky for you that you get 5 warning shots.

Seriously, madrebel, get help. I don't want to see you go through life like this and then die unhappy. There's no shame in having serious emotional problems. Just be honest with yourself.