no, your opinion means nothing

I pledge alligence to the flag blah blah blah

Let me guess now it would be valid.

whats your point, what are you trying to accomplish?

he's just being a smartass

[quote:7f2fa]slavery was just the way it was in the 1700's and 1800's... it was the way they lived their lives back then... sure it was wrong and thats why our nation has changed... [/quote:7f2fa]

Hmmm, okay. So why did Americans accept slavery long after the British had abolished it?

My original point was, and still is:

The Decleration Of Independence, for which your nation largely bases its independence on is a hypocritical document.

There is nothing Anti-American about that.....At all. All countries have their faults. I was just questioning why some Americans can't admit their faults like the rest of us. Is it becaused they are brainwashed? Could be.

See if you had said it like that, I would have agreed right off the bat. When it comes to the equality thing it is hypocritical. You just presented your points pretty harshly and they sounded more emotional than factual.

because people don't like to change, if you were getting labor for free would you suddenly want to pay for it? The south didn't want slavery to be abolished because they were still dependent on it while the north had begun to not need it at all.

if i recall correctly slaves were considered property, so they wouldn't be eligiable for any freedoms that everyone else enjoyed

? what changed ?

Hah... Tripper, before you start preaching about the US having it's faults. First learn a few things about US History.

First off, the Decleration of Independence simply stated the colonies devided off from the British and wished to form thier own government and country.

The Constitution is the "hypocritical document" that states the freedoms and rights of the people.

---

[quote:5a602]So why did Americans accept slavery long after the British had abolished it?[/quote:5a602]

There are many reasons to this, and I explained a few on mIRC. If you'd like I could explain a few more.

[quote:5a602]for which your nation largely bases its independence on is a hypocritical document.
[/quote:5a602]

Geez, you're bent on the Constitution being "hyprocritical", aren't you??. I thought we settled this on mIRC, I guess not...

Slavery was a TOUCHY subject in the process of the creation and establishment of the Constitution. After the failure of the Articles of the Confederation, we were determined not to create other mistakes that would lead to the downfall of the US and possible colonization by another country...

Just to let you know, we DID abolish slavery in the early parts of the creation of the Constitution... then half the Southeren states left. After the Revolution, the colonies were in great turmoil and to have the Southern states leave would be a great fault in our "soon to be country". The main part of our economy at the time was in the South, if you get my drift. So the point was, we just didn't want to abolish slavery until we had a more fit and stronger government in play, before we had any huge descions on abolishing slavery, which later resulted in the Civil War.

I'm not trying to justify anything, but you wanted to know why we didn't abolish slavery, and I gave you a few reasons.

Our Constitution, believe it or not is looked upon as a Bible to most developing democratic societies... the amendment process is by far the most important aspect. It ensures that in time, THINGS WILL CHANGE. As so the topic of slavery, the amendment process quickly adapted to it.

Since you thought our freedoms and rights were based on the "Decleration of Independence", I still base my opinion on you not knowing what you are talking about, concerning the US. Learn a few more FACTS before you run in here stating certain governments are "hyprocritical".

And for you, Pyro. Stay out of the convo. If you're going to be a smartass.

When he died, I basically said fuck it!

He was basically the only person that I could trust and depend on.

Im dumb.

well you aren't from the US so you shouldn't have to know this, just do some research next time

Hmmm, because I got the names of two documents mixed up, I automatically know nothing about what I'm talking about? For a 17 kid from New Zealand, I consider myself pretty "learned," in this topic....You should be proud that people from other nations even bother to learn about your history. I'm willing to bet nobody on this forum knows anything about my country. Apart from maybe the aussies.

That fact remains, what I have said, I believe is still valid. One mistake doesn't mean my whole theory is messed up. FAR from it. Half of you even admitted that I was right on many occasions. Now you're just getting to emotional and taking everything personally. Brainwashed fools.

[quote="Cpt. Zapotoski":692d0]Tripper, you're cool and everything, but you're a god damn fool.

---

First off, our country was founded on the Articles of Confederation, which didn't work out well and then we established the Decleration of Independence.
[/quote:692d0]
I'm not even going to mention what's wrong with that statement. You're out of control Zach... OUT OF CONTROL! Stay in school.

You know what...i think SPOOGE is OUT OF CONTROL! SERENITY NOW!