Uhhh, when they freed the slaves. Anyways slavery would have been abloished, and the blacks would have probably had it better had the CSA done it. People would hace accepted it, and it wouldnt have been forced on them in the way it was.

peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenis

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":f9a76]Uhhh, when they freed the slaves. Anyways slavery would have been abloished, and the blacks would have probably had it better had the CSA done it.[/quote:f9a76]

some time after there was a migration to the north, is that what your talking about and just got your directions mixed up? and i doubt that the CSA would have abolished slavery without pressure from the north or europeon countries, since the north pretty much forced industrialization during the rebuilding, so either way it would have been similar process of abolishment.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":f9a76]People would hace accepted it, and it wouldnt have been forced on them in the way it was[/quote:f9a76]

If they have to accept it, isn't that forcing?

ok, I live here in Atlanta. I am white, and I have plenty of black friends. I am no wigger, and I am not a racist. But I cannot stand our flag being changed. Same with a lot of the black kids that I tlak to. They believe that it does hold heritage in it. Some just think it was cool because it was on the General Lee... comeing in through the windows and what not. I have noticed though, that although I may be called racist for being such a bad person and trying to preserve our history, a lot of the anti bars and stars people like to take their protests a little too far. I have had friends of mine that have been beaten pretty bad by anti-whites. So I just want all of those people from other countries, just because you hear about all of the whites being racist in America... it goes both ways here, no one is the good guy or bad guy, and no one knows how to stop it. So don't call us southerners fucking hicks or sons kkk members or any of that shit.

Wow -

If you didn't think this would get racist by the title of this thread, then something is wrong with you.

Where oh where to start.

Ok, part of history eh? Part of a groups culture. Funny, I dont see anyone raging when groups want German flags flown. And what IF the majority wanted the german-nazi flag flown. Would we be so quick to say "oh let the majority do what it wants". What matters here is cultural sensitivity folks. Alot of you people are talking about "those damn blacks stirring up trouble" - well guess what the hell bringing back a confederate flag - which was used by the group who championed the right of slavery - would do to those poor black minorities. Can you HONESTLY look at yourselves in the mirror and say blacks living in the south - a place still not 100% safe for blacks to live - shouldn't have a problem with a symbol of oppresion being flown? I'm sorry what some of you THINK that flag stands for - tradition, history, whatever - but if you're gonna go that route, then include what ELSE it stands for.

As far as the NAACP and ACLU just being there to cause trouble - you have to be kidding me. Take a look at the demographics in this country. You ask yourself, why isn't there a "White Discrimination Group" -who the hell do you think is doing the discriminating? Minorities folks are UNDER REPRESENTED! Why the hell do you think "interest groups" get started in the first place? To hang out and drink 40's all god damn day.

I'd be the first person to vote on getting rid of affirmative action laws; right now it hinders more than it helps. But if you seriously think that this country has a climate, that can tolerate the raising of a Confederate flag, and NOT have it open up wounds - youre out of your mind.

And snipey...poor poor snipey. There's a jail cell with a 400 lb "nigger" waiting for you in your future. I have forseen it.

Yeah, I think you more or less hit the nail on the head. I agree with you.

'you have insulted my honor! i demand satisfaction! i challenge you to a duel...'

"i accept, i say i accept your challenge sir, pistols at dawn"

'pistols at dawn?.....D'OH!'

happy: i love how i can relate a simpsons episode to just about anything lol

[quote="ED!":387c5]Wow -

If you didn't think this would get racist by the title of this thread, then something is wrong with you.

Where oh where to start.

Ok, part of history eh? Part of a groups culture. Funny, I dont see anyone raging when groups want German flags flown. And what IF the majority wanted the german-nazi flag flown. Would we be so quick to say "oh let the majority do what it wants". What matters here is cultural sensitivity folks. Alot of you people are talking about "those damn blacks stirring up trouble" - well guess what the hell bringing back a confederate flag - which was used by the group who championed the right of slavery - would do to those poor black minorities. Can you HONESTLY look at yourselves in the mirror and say blacks living in the south - a place still not 100% safe for blacks to live - shouldn't have a problem with a symbol of oppresion being flown? I'm sorry what some of you THINK that flag stands for - tradition, history, whatever - but if you're gonna go that route, then include what ELSE it stands for.

As far as the NAACP and ACLU just being there to cause trouble - you have to be kidding me. Take a look at the demographics in this country. You ask yourself, why isn't there a "White Discrimination Group" -who the hell do you think is doing the discriminating? Minorities folks are UNDER REPRESENTED! Why the hell do you think "interest groups" get started in the first place? To hang out and drink 40's all god damn day.

I'd be the first person to vote on getting rid of affirmative action laws; right now it hinders more than it helps. But if you seriously think that this country has a climate, that can tolerate the raising of a Confederate flag, and NOT have it open up wounds - youre out of your mind.

And snipey...poor poor snipey. There's a jail cell with a 400 lb "nigger" waiting for you in your future. I have forseen it.[/quote:387c5]

I agree with ED! on this one

and you got banned again?

[quote:0f957]and you got banned again?[/quote:0f957]

What else is new?

But seriously, this thread and its responses has me not really giving a shit.

all of you who agree with this, lets see, Tripper is from new zealnad, and i dont know where everyone else is from. Minorities are not underepresented, you know who got more money this year (school or S8 public community housing[projects])-it wasnt schools, and you know who spent it-shirley franklin, a minotrity herself. I think that black people are mistreated, but i face 100% more racism being white, than they do being black in the south (i think AL is like 60 black, and i know GA is PROBABLY arround there. But i do know that the NAACP (one organization) has the power to boycott a SATE??? is that underrepresentation-i dont really think anyone who lives outside the US should even has an idea about the way things are in America-what about I make an A average, and do good, but a C average gets my job, i get "laid off" because of affirmative action? The jewish people have gottent the worst of anything-and they dont complain as much.

and only like 1/4 of the south owned slaves-and the 1st all balck refiment was a CSA cavalry unit (76th texans-or something like that)

ED, that rebuttal was the most mature I think I've ever seen from you. Didn't even mock anyone ed:

But, in your statement regarding the under-representation, you completely neglected to address the reason it is so, they are a MINORITY. I just fail to see why people should be obligated to oblige to a certain group just because of the color of their skin. That, in and of itself, is racist. That's like saying that all black, hispanic, and asian peoples are better than white people, because they deserve to have equal say in everything, even though they don't represent an equal number of people.

You want true equality? Then don't be hypocritical about it. You can't, on the one hand, scream for equal treatment of colored peoples, and then on the other hand treat other people unequally. We are a democracy. The majorities should have the say, and we shouldn't be concerning ourselves with what races make up those majorities.

So.. yeah.

racism blows

Two points about the above quote.

First of all, it's a bit hypocrtical when you say people not from America don't have a clue what is going on there. I mean, look at US foreign policy. Look at what is going on in Iraq, and yet you say we don't really have any idea about the way things are there....Do you people really have any idea about what things are like in Iraq?

Secondly, while Jewish people have gotten treated like shit for centuries, Black People, are obviously easier to distinguish from other races, where-as to tell a Jew from any other white person, you either need a name, or they need to look very stereotypical. So they don't cop as much flak in everday life as a Black person.

And they weren't enslaved for two hundred years either, in the very country they are trying to live in now.

I'm not saying that Jews haven't got it bad, hell no. It's just a different context. You can't compare the two, just because they're both on Neo-Nazi's and KKK's hit-lists. They've suffered totally different problems.

Well what do you say about the NAACP (I think it was them..) demanding reparation for their ancestors being enslaved over 150 years ago? Is that not rediculous?

[quote="SW-14":e00b8]Well what do you say about the NAACP (I think it was them..) demanding reparation for their ancestors being enslaved over 150 years ago? Is that not rediculous?[/quote:e00b8]

yep