Creative is a good brand, they make lots of great sound equipment.


yeah, Coleman, I think you're right. Creative didn't come out with a commercial with silhouetted people dancing around to a Zen so they are obviously the worst.

you're an apple lover aren't you? shouldn't you be happy that so many people find the iPod so good?

no, I don't love Apple. I would like an Apple laptop, but I just don't appreciate how a product like the iPod is labeled as the number 1 of its kind for being cooler looking and being a name brand...

There were 3 generation of iPod before the first commercial... Those all sold fantastically.

And Creative makes horrible sound cards compared to M-Audio and horrible speakers compared to Klipsch.

no, but I'm serious...I think they do a good job of advertising. Everywhere you look you see an Apple marketing promotion.

It's gotten to a point where people go to BestBuy and ask, "I'm looking to buy an Ipod. What's the best one?" They don't necessarily mean an ipod per say, more like an mp3 player. It's just like Cleanex, Legos, RollerBlading, etc.

they aren't horrible compared to Klipsch. Creative makes Cambridge Soundworks, which sound great. Granted Klipsch are better, but they cost a lot more. Klipsch might be better, but I don't think Cambridge are that far behind.

'IPOD BREAKZ BUY CREEEATIVE ZENZ BECAUZ DHEY UNDERGROUND'

thats all im hearing.

Apple have made the best product on the market in form of the iPod, they have done very well from it and so market it even more as they know people will buy it as advertising a good product works, and just because you believe their brand to be too mainstream doesnt mean the actual product is of any lesser quality, i couldnt give a shit if everyone had an ipod and i wanted something so i could be different, or a bit special, i would want the best product for the job and that is simply the iPod.

i wouldn't say "simply the ipod [is better]."

I enjoy the menu and features of the creative products more.

you have said over and over again how the iPod is superior but you have given no reasons to why...What I'm getting at is iPods are more expensive and they are practically the same as the alternatives, i'm not saying alternatives are better because they are underground, I'm saying they are a better choice because they are cheaper, they don't have the complaints that iPods have (even if they are unfounded) and they are practically the same.

And I am certainly not saying that Zens are better, I don't even own one.

Coleman, I also like the other menus better than the iPod, but that's just because it's what I'm used to. I really don't see a difference in iPods and the alternatives besides the menus, and the menus are both fine depending on how used to them you are.

warning, the following posts contains poor writing and bad sentence structure. im so fucking tired as i write this.

i bought my mini because of several reasons.
first: the zen i bought broke within 5 minutes. awesome.
second: the mini was $50 cheaper (price arguement doesn't apply to me)

i forget how the zen felt, so im getting a guy to get his while i post this so i can make an informed decision on what i like better.

first off, theres a few goodies the zen has to offer over the ipod. built in fm tuner (but who listens to the radio... seriously) combined with microphone makes for a solid one up over the ipod. the only problem is the zen's battery life of 12 hours while the ipod holds 18 hours (i've had my ipod for a long time now, my battery hasnt deterioated any just as everyone else here). the feel of the zen isnt that great, the scroll bar simply sucks. it's either too jumpy or it doesn't move far enough and its limited. in contrast the ipod touch scroll is continuous: you can rip from a - z of your song list in seconds yet it still keeps a sensitivity well enough for you to pinpoint options with ease. the zen only allows 2 gigs to be used as a removable storage which sorta sucks, i dont know how may times my ipods come in handy as a 2nd drive. ipod has games too, parachute saved my life during science class. ipod has a shitload of accessories (some can be pretty functional). scrolling to certain points in a song is x100 faster with the ipod than the zen. having to hold fast forward is a waste of time imo.

those are ust a few of my opinions and observations as i have both the zen and ipod in each hand, and why id rather have an ipod. the zens a good player but i just dont think it can match the ipods functionality. the zen owner even admitted he would rather have an ipod.

Why did an Ipod vs PSP thread turn into Zen vs Ipod thread? and does Arkan even care anymore?

Both are fine products, i've had a zen for a few years and a friend of mines has an Ipod for a little while longer. I got the zen because I didn't feel like paying extra for a few features I wouldn't use and I didn't mind that it was a little bigger. The scroll bar really isn't that bad, I've so used to it the Ipod's system seems horrible. If I needed to get something new, I get a zen again.

And of mine and my friend's, the only one that broke was mine, and thats only because it fell out of my pocket and down some concrete stairs, and I got it replaced for free because of a warranty.

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