Also, in Japan, the Japanese used men with satchel charges strapped to them. They hid until an American tank was very close to them, then they rushed out and dived under it, and pulled the chord to detonate the explosive. A much more successful idea then the Russian dogs, since the men waited until the tank was very close, this made it so the guarding infantry had little change of hitting the man before the tank was destroyed. A sick, yet somewhat successful idea.

Uh, you seen to forget that the US wasn't the only force fighting in the pacific, remember: England, New Zealand, Australia, Burma, and The People's liberation force of China (who by the way were supplied by germany http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif). People seem to forget that whole indian ocean thing... you have probibly never heard of it, but the Royal Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy were locked in mortal combat around india, Sri Lanka, And Madagasgar (I have NEVER seen an American book about this). And Remember, RUSSIA DID declare war on Japan! Who do you think captured Manchuria from the Japanese Empire?
RUSSIA!!!!
That is why China, N. Korea, And N Vietnam were COMMUNIST after the war!
Mein Gott, you guys need to Read a damn Book that isn't tainted by american propiganda!

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[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 25, 2001).]

Wow i never thought my first original post would stir up 4 pages of BITCHING! This post was to suggest ideas for another moh or a mod or something, definetly not to prove facts and cross examine each others quotes. I dont care about the real facts or wars that happened. Whats done is done and u guys cant do anything about it.Hitler was crazy Stallin was a madman and Winston Churchil was an inspiratin. That is all. please if u guys wanna argue with all this start a new post and leave this one alone, please. THANK YOU

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Wow i never thought my first original post would stir up 4 pages of BITCHING! This post was to suggest ideas for another moh or a mod or something, definetly not to prove facts and cross examine each others quotes. I dont care about the real facts or wars that happened. Whats done is done and u guys cant do anything about it.Hitler was crazy Stallin was a madman and Winston Churchil was an inspiratin. That is all. please if u guys wanna argue with all this start a new post and leave this one alone, please. THANK YOU

First of all, Americans played the most active role in Pacific theatar, they entered European theater only when russian Red Army started liberating Europe from Germans. As you know,Interestedviewer, or not, Russians were first to enter Berlin. Thus to do that they had to cross all of Europe up to Germany, and by doing that they liberated those parts of Europe.

On the other hand, many historians argue that U.S. entered European front only to counter the raising power of Soviet Union. As you know, prior to WW2 U.S. was very isolationist and it saw wars in Europe as 'wars in Europe'. But after the WW1 U.S. invested large amounts of capital in Europe, plus ever growing economy of U.S. needed new markets, so leaving Europe to Russians wasn't an option.

So what did U.S. do in WW2? It won war in Pacific ( mind you, by using two A-bombs), liberated Italy and France.
What did Russians do? They fought about 250 German divisions, while Allies fought 56. They pushed Germans all the way back to Germany and by doing that liberated most of Europe. They inflicted most of the casulties on Germans and also inflicted even greater psychological damage, Aryan race was defeated by inferior Slavs. Thus for Germans, everything after the Kursk and Stalingrad was retreating and defeat.

U.S. did contributed to WW2 by putting itself on the Allied side and bringing huge economic and military help to Allied cause, but we can't say that they won the war.Nobody is saying that U.S. wasn't capabled of doing just that, but the truth is that Russia was one nation that sacrificed most and one nation that did most to defeat Germany. Maybe the situation would be different if U.S. was closer to Germany and Russia farther,but that isn't the case.


SO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT U.S. WAS ONE NATION THAT WON THE WW2 ONLY BECAUSE YOU COME FROM U.S.. I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE YOUR NATION AND THINK BEST OF IT, BUT SIMPLY IN THIS CASE YOU WERE WRONG.

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"Sloboda ili smrt" ( Death or freedom)

Intrestedviewer, you're getting redundant.

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I told you I'd shoot, but you didn't believe me! WHY DIDN'T YOU BELIEVE ME?

wohoo!! Thank You Burgen!! America doesnt want to protray any1 else as hero's, they want to take ALL the glory.. You guys really need to read up before u blurt america did everything in the war..

BTW, Russia and Japan had been fighting on-and-off-again from 1901 (when the russo-japanese war broke out, it ended in 1905), when japan occupied the Kamchatka Peninsula and the Kuril Islands on the sea of Okhotsk, until WWII broke out in 1931(yes that's when WW2 started, not 1939, that's just when it started in Europe), when Japan invaded Manchuria. One of the forgotten theatres of WW1 was between Japan and Russia in the Asiatic portion of the country, even though you'll never see it in a History book at school, that's why it is 'forgotten'.

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[This message has been edited by Bürgen (edited July 25, 2001).]

Hah! you can't beat shear facts!

Amerikanische Schweinhunde!

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lol...are you calling us american pig-dogs ?

btw , thanks for that info man . maybe they'll consider adding those kamakazi dogs to the game as a secondary weapon . http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

scratch that idea . too unrealistic b/c they were only from russia

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Partisan:
First of all, Americans played the most active role in Pacific theatar, they entered European theater only when russian Red Army started liberating Europe from Germans. As you know,Interestedviewer, or not, Russians were first to enter Berlin. Thus to do that they had to cross all of Europe up to Germany, and by doing that they liberated those parts of Europe.

On the other hand, many historians argue that U.S. entered European front only to counter the raising power of Soviet Union. As you know, prior to WW2 U.S. was very isolationist and it saw wars in Europe as 'wars in Europe'. But after the WW1 U.S. invested large amounts of capital in Europe, plus ever growing economy of U.S. needed new markets, so leaving Europe to Russians wasn't an option.

So what did U.S. do in WW2? It won war in Pacific ( mind you, by using two A-bombs), liberated Italy and France.
What did Russians do? They fought about 250 German divisions, while Allies fought 56. They pushed Germans all the way back to Germany and by doing that liberated most of Europe. They inflicted most of the casulties on Germans and also inflicted even greater psychological damage, Aryan race was defeated by inferior Slavs. Thus for Germans, everything after the Kursk and Stalingrad was retreating and defeat.

U.S. did contributed to WW2 by putting itself on the Allied side and bringing huge economic and military help to Allied cause, but we can't say that they won the war.Nobody is saying that U.S. wasn't capabled of doing just that, but the truth is that Russia was one nation that sacrificed most and one nation that did most to defeat Germany. Maybe the situation would be different if U.S. was closer to Germany and Russia farther,but that isn't the case.


SO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT U.S. WAS ONE NATION THAT WON THE WW2 ONLY BECAUSE YOU COME FROM U.S.. I KNOW THAT YOU LOVE YOUR NATION AND THINK BEST OF IT, BUT SIMPLY IN THIS CASE YOU WERE WRONG.
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I rest my (and Kaiser's) case... http://www.pcgamers.net/ubb/smile.gif Thanks Partisan... BAND OF BROTHERS IS GONNA ROCK!!!

Ya know, all this shit about all Americans care about is taking all the credit is beggining to piss me off. America does exactly what all you fuckers are doing. Caring about their contribution is just fine, and you keep bitching that we don't know our history, FUCK THAT! To support the facts you use information derived from what your god damn countries did. Well, Britain did this, what about the Australians, the Germans only fought these guys, the Russians did this, it's not only Americans wanting to take credit, every one wants to know about their country's contribution, and in order to do that they try to negate what another country did, usually America. I find this perhaps more insulting than you whiny mother fuckers, because I never try to discredit you which all of you seem to fucking do to each other. All countries made their contributions, and you fuckers sit and bicker over whose country is better than America. British movies glorify what the British did, Russian movies for the Russians, etc. America isn't the worldly evil that only teaches about its own wheelings and dealings, no country gives a rat's ass about any other fucking country but the only one that gets the finger pointed at it is America. Of course Americans are going to want to learn about America, who doesn't want to learn about their own heritage, and why should we be held at a higher standard than any other country?

"Mein Gott, you guys need to Read a damn Book that isn't tainted by american propiganda"

Now we all no I don't read books, it was just an opinion, but you've sold me. I'm quite interested in your magazine and wish to subscribe. Anyways, I just thought that America played a more important role then you guys are portraying.