That the bible is a story that has changed over 2000 years (and a large source for the basis of Christianity) is my whole point as to why I don't particularly believe in Religion at all.

There is probably lots of lessons that can be learnt from the Bible, and any lessons learnt is a good thing.

But, it's just that, for myself, I don't think a person needs to be religious to be great, nor do they need to be anti-religious to be evil.

I just feel that there are so many conflicting religions out there that they cannot all be factual. They must all be mutually exclusive so they can't all be based on actuality, so how can a non-believer place his or her trust in any one of them? Even if one of them is truth then that means that all the others must be based on fiction.

Fact or fiction are the only two possibilities in life. Anything else is just belief.

It's all down to the individual and how they were educated, or how they live their life thereafer.

Believe it or not I was educated in a school, up until my teens, that was very religious. We were taught a lot about Christianity, we sang prayers in the morning and so on. It just never sank in with me.

I found maths, English, science and other things more of a reality.

But, think on this.

Remember my suggestion that Religion is generally created to answer questions? Our answer to death and life was God.

Things that we don't understand present questions that we, being sentient beings able to use reason, like to have answered.

Well, a lot of questions have been answered in the last 2000 years but there remains one that has not been answered, and is likely never to be:

Death.

So long as we cannot prove there is or there is not an afterlife Religion remains impossible to prove false. Quite a safe bet, that one, isn't it?

Only those that have experienced death will know the truth and they have not been able to come back to tell the tale (except Jesus , according to Christianity).

So, religion will never die. It will always be present so long as people have something to believe in.

But, any person can adhere to the principals and the values of any religion, without the need to pray, attend mass, or believe in a deity.

Why do they deserve to go to "Hell"?

Indeed, the very idea that only believers of Heaven have a chance to go to Heaven would mean that you'd have to believe in Hell to go there too?

Believe in what you want. Just don't judge others because they don't believe in it too.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":fb31e]NO I didnt!!1 cry:[/quote:fb31e]YES U DID!!what did u do?

has anyone seen the History Channel program "UFOs in the Bible"?

sometimes it makes me think that a bunch of aliens thought we humans had the brains to be something, but our morals were crap so we might destroy each other, so they became God to try and scare some decency into us and keep us civilized until we advanced to where we wouldn't need hell/heaven as incentives to be good.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":7e9c3]has anyone seen the History Channel program "UFOs in the Bible"?

sometimes it makes me think that a bunch of aliens thought we humans had the brains to be something, but our morals were crap so we might destroy each other, so they became God to try and scare some decency into us and keep us civilized until we advanced to where we wouldn't need hell/heaven as incentives to be good.[/quote:7e9c3]yah i watched for like 5 minutes..

ya i saw that on the H it was good

and jessus said:"i help thouse who help them selfs"

good point ydiss, i would like to subscribe to your newsletter =]

[quote="Simo Häyhä":5ed17]good point ydiss, i would like to subscribe to your newsletter =][/quote:5ed17]$9.95 Pay up:) Premium Members get to punch Sclass!

Another view:

God may exist. But maybe God doesn't exist. Then all those believers would be wrong right? Since we have no factual evidence that a higher being exists (I personally don't consider the Bible to be factual evidence), it is a matter of belief.

I have heard of many people who find strenth in faith. Some have found Jesus and started a 'new' life. So, even if Jesus does not exist, the new life is there. People who have a terrible illness may find strenth in faith. Imagine God does not exist. The have found strength anyway. And that is exactly the reason why everybody should be free to choose what (not) to believe in.

The other way around is also possible. You are religious, and because of some reason you renounce your religion. And your life turns around for the better (hello Innoxx). What if God does not exist. Your life is better now. So God didn't have anything to do with that.

What I am trying to say is:

1) If God does not exist, I honestly believe that all people who believe would have had the exact same life as they have now. Same for the non-believers. Why? Because their religion is the same, even if what they believe in is not there. Of course, all firm believers would disagree with me, since they say God controls all. Also the life of non-believers. So, in this case (most cases) the Christians are always 'right'. They have an answer for everything. And the only thing the non-believer can reply is: Yes, okay, but God does not exist so you're full of crap.

2) If God does exist, it is very simple: Life would be the same as well, because he exists and controls all (or at least a lot). He cares for the non-believer as well as the believer, I think. We're all humans aren't we?

Again: It is a matter of belief. And choice, to some extent (upbringing by parents and education does have influence, also later in your life). You find strength in faith? Enjoy it. Not suited for you? Fine too. This may seem a very simple and shallow opinion to some, but this is not the case. Try to be respectful to anyone, no matter what they believe. This is not always easy. Especially not when you're young.

But what about Islam? Fundamentalists? We all know it is wrong (well, not all, but many in the West), so we want to teach them our values. Actually, much like winning souls ('crusades'). We consider ourselves enlightened. We know oppression of women is not good. Lapidation of unmarried pregnant women or women who committed adultery...not good (Nigeria). But why do so many people think this is the way it should be? Because they are now where we were about, I don't know, 500 years ago? In a few hundred years many of them will also admit: Hey, that was wrong. At this moment you might think 'yes, okay, but we have to stop them', but I don't think so. Imposing our opinion (even it is correct) too firmly might cause an even stronger faith.

I am not saying that Islam is bad, but extremists are bad. Also Christian extremists (many now considered enlightened, Western civilizations have been bad too, remember the Dark Ages?).

Oh, it is unbelievable how humans can make the greatest mess because of some opinion or (misinterpretation of a) story. It is not religion that is a bad thing, it's the nature of humans. Just like pest said in a post on page 2 or so. Religion isn't the reason for war, it is the excuse. If religion did not exist, we would find another reason to start a fight ('lean-strafing should be disabled because it sucks', 'hey you UK/Aussie people, stop driving on the wrong side of the road...it is not right'). Is it because many of us need a fight every once in a while? Is it the lust for power? Many books have been written on this subject. And it seems Western civilization is doing a fine job since WWII. But who knows what the future has in stock for us.

Just some thoughts.

And, admitted, maybe too long, biggrin:

Found this...hadda post it:

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lmao... biggrin:

There is no question that God exsists, atleast to me. See, when you accept Him into your life, you truly know he is there. You may not like the fact that when a person dies, they either are going to Heaven or Hell, but its a fact, and you have to make a choice to where you want to go. For me it is an easy decision, I do not know about anybody else, but why not just accept Jesus? He loves us, he died for us, He is the way to eternal life, there will be more joy in your life, and you will know where you are going when you die. Jesus will always be there to help you, you can always turn to Him, God is our judge, but he is also our friend, and he is offering a free gift of eternal life, all you have to do is accept. I challange all no believers to read the Bible, just see if you can still down it after reading it. Comepare the Bible to other books, such as the Koran, the Koran is an obvious edited edition of the Bible. Are you scared to read the Bible? Why, afraid you might see the truth? Dont be, the best decision you can make is to accept Christ, if you canfess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead you will be saved. Read Romans 10:9. Im not telling you all this so I can get a better chance at getting to Heaven, Im already going there, Im telling you all this so that you may also see the way to Heaven, so that you will not spend eternity in Hell. It does not matter how good a life you lead, if you do not accept Christ, then you are in trouble, any questions you have feel free to P.M. me.

LOL!

No way in hell I'm going through 12 pages of this shit, but I will comment:

I think atheism is a fairly egoistic and conceited belief that extends from mans own superiority complex. The factors that it took to create life are so incredible that "chance" is harldy the term to use if there was no work of a higher-power. Notice the use of the word power. I do believe in god. I believe that "god" is the name of this force that has exerted control to act in such a way as to give life to this universe. I do not believe god wears a robe, and is prone to tossing thunderbolts to disbelievers. I believe he came, he created, and he moved on.

The bible in my view, is a fantastic world rendered in scientific terms. In that time, science WAS faith, it was the divine. The acts that occured are unexplainable in the terms and sciences we have today, so there had to be SOME explanation for it.

Having said that, there's gotta be SOME reason this bible existed, and beyond a mass cult that swept the world, none of us have any clear cut answers.

The simple fact of the matter is - you DONT know, one way or the other - and you wont know until;

1.) You die.

2.) The rapture happens and all of us are stuck on Earth.

3.) You say "I'd sell my soul for..", and the Devil pops up.

So I remain an agnostic.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":95120] It does not matter how good a life you lead, if you do not accept Christ, then you are in trouble[/quote:95120]

See?

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":7668b]There is no question that God exsists, atleast to me. See, when you accept Him into your life, you truly know he is there. You may not like the fact that when a person dies, they either are going to Heaven or Hell, but its a fact, and you have to make a choice to where you want to go. For me it is an easy decision, I do not know about anybody else, but why not just accept Jesus? He loves us, he died for us, He is the way to eternal life, there will be more joy in your life, and you will know where you are going when you die. Jesus will always be there to help you, you can always turn to Him, God is our judge, but he is also our friend, and he is offering a free gift of eternal life, all you have to do is accept. I challange all no believers to read the Bible, just see if you can still down it after reading it. Comepare the Bible to other books, such as the Koran, the Koran is an obvious edited edition of the Bible. Are you scared to read the Bible? Why, afraid you might see the truth? Dont be, the best decision you can make is to accept Christ, if you canfess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead you will be saved. Read Romans 10:9. Im not telling you all this so I can get a better chance at getting to Heaven, Im already going there, Im telling you all this so that you may also see the way to Heaven, so that you will not spend eternity in Hell. It does not matter how good a life you lead, if you do not accept Christ, then you are in trouble, any questions you have feel free to P.M. me.[/quote:7668b] dang, u said what ive been wanting to say since this post began, thanx

[quote=Ydiss] See?[/quote:d04ca]

In other words its ok to be good but if you don't accept Chist as you saviour you never be good enough.

Statements like that make it easy for me to walk away from the Chistian Religon.... I don't think a real god would use stipulations(sp) like that for acceptance into heaven.

[quote="ED! Ban #127":39055]No way in hell I'm going through 12 pages of this shit, but I will comment: ---- Rest of post ----

So I remain an agnostic.[/quote:39055]

Your belated post pretty much sums up what the entire 12 pages have discussed already, Ed, minus a few ideas, theories and allusions to modern examples. I cannot disagree with anything you say, really.

I'd say a lot of good discussion has happened in this thread (much more so than that USA V Europe one) and I've actually enjoyed it.

I will leave it with one last point (from me at least.. unless someone replies directly).

Religion can be wonderful and it can be horrible.

Those that defend religion by saying "It's not the religion that causes conflict, it's the person - they will always find something to fight over, even if religion did not exist" are only partially right.

I don't think it's fair that religion should be spared all blame.

It's not right to claim that religion does not have to be truth it only has to be belief and then say that it is excused when someone acts on their beliefs to cause harm.

If someone straps explosives around their body and takes out a bus-load of people because they believe that they will reach paradise then they are doing so because of that belief. They would not have done so if they did not believe.

And seeing as every religious person here (and some who aren't) have said religion is all about belief then that belief is partially responsible for their actions.

It's not fair to claim that belief in God on one hand leads to positive things and then to claim that it cannot possibly be responsible for negative things.

It is how that person interprets their beliefs that makes the difference.

And that is why I believe that no one person should be punished for what they believe in, rather for what they do.

Otherwise, you should all accept that religion guides a person's action whether it be positive or negative.

[quote:5e244]Your belated post pretty much sums up what the entire 12 pages have discussed already, Ed, minus a few ideas, theories and allusions to modern examples. I cannot disagree with anything you say, really.[/quote:5e244]

Shit yanno - statistics say this thread would have crapped out around oh - page 5. . .but I guess this is an anomoly.

Yes, the anomaly.

*Speaking to thread*

Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of AA.COM, the door to your left leads back to the topic to them and to the end of your database. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the digital precursors that signal the onset of an operation designed specifically to overwhelm your circuits. An operation that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, the topic is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

god bless Morpheus.

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See? [/quote:ac412]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.

I would have to say I am mixed on religion. Being only 21 years old I have yet to experience the entire world and how much of an impact religion has on it, only then can I make a judgement based on other religions. Scientifically it seems impossible there is a God. HOwever, at times I find myself observing things that are difficult to explain AKA phenomena. I do enjoy going to church and singing, and am no way an atheist, just a wandering soul preparing to observe life.

My view is this:
My heritage in terms of religion is Irish Catholic. The Irish were severly persecuted under the British but they still kept their faith to their religion. After hundreds of years of suffering the least I can do is have the same amount of faith in God as they did.
What would my ancestors say if they saw me scoffing at something that was more than just a religion to them? It would be heart wrenching to think that they held onto their faith in probably the toughest of times only to see that their descendants give up on God because there is no scientific proof.

There must be more to life that we just see it - so much more.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":3ca8c][quote:3ca8c]
See? [/quote:3ca8c]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.[/quote:3ca8c]

You failed completely to see my point, as I totally expected. I will not bother explaining it to you as you are far too blinkered by your faith to listen to anyone.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":06fe0]god bless Morpheus.[/quote:06fe0]you cant say god ur atheist... eek:

[quote:e103a]You failed completely to see my point, as I totally expected. I will not bother explaining it to you as you are far too blinkered by your faith to listen to anyone.[/quote:e103a]

Or is it you can not explain your point anymore?

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":4239b][quote:4239b]
See? [/quote:4239b]

See what? Spot run? Its such a simple command God gives us, all we have to do i accept Him, how simple can it get? Beign saved is not about acts, but Faith and believing, not just doing good acts. SO you may not like that you have to give up a life of sin, but to get to Heaven thats what you have to do. We are all sinners, and I am a sinner saved by grace. No amount of acts will get you to Heaven, its by the grace of God.[/quote:4239b]

What he is saying is that he thinks it is quite arrogant to believe that your religion is the only one. What kind of God would choose just you and your church to enter paradise. Is God so vengful that he would let the majority of the world go to hell because they were born to a culture that wasnt predominantly christian?

When the ten commandments were handed down the first said "I am the lord your God, put not other Gods before me." This was the god of abraham, issac and moses. This was the god of the hebrews, the god of the old testament. This was Yahweh (sp?), Allah and the God of Jesus.

This is the difference in believing you find salvation thru acts or grace. I believe it is thru acts. Much of the distaste found for religions stems from the grace group. The attitude of "I can lie cheat and steal, as long as I go to church on sunday and profess my faith, I will be saved" along with the arrogance of "my way is the only way" really doesnt sit well with many people.

Thats what he meant by "See?"

Well put Pest.


People who "believe" have a problem see out side of the views. And the find it easy to condem anyone that does not believe as they do. I remember a friend of mine telling me I was going to hell for questions the existence of God. Who gave him the right to condem me? God, the Blible, I don't think so. I think that he wanted to feel that he was superior to me because he believed. Religon can be a good thing, it can be a good guide through life, and give you hope of an afterlife, but when you put blinders on an say there is only one way and that is (insert religion of choice here) then you are missing out on the change to expand your mind and understand why man is where he is today.

[quote:806a5]What he is saying is that he thinks it is quite arrogant to believe that your religion is the only one. What kind of God would choose just you and your church to enter paradise. Is God so vengful that he would let the majority of the world go to hell because they were born to a culture that wasnt predominantly christian?

When the ten commandments were handed down the first said "I am the lord your God, put not other Gods before me." This was the god of abraham, issac and moses. This was the god of the hebrews, the god of the old testament. This was Yahweh (sp?), Allah and the God of Jesus.

This is the difference in believing you find salvation thru acts or grace. I believe it is thru acts. Much of the distaste found for religions stems from the grace group. The attitude of "I can lie cheat and steal, as long as I go to church on sunday and profess my faith, I will be saved" along with the arrogance of "my way is the only way" really doesnt sit well with many people.

Thats what he meant by "See?" [/quote:806a5]

Yes, yes, I know what he means. I was being sarcastic. :) The GOd I worshiop is not Allah, it is a diferent God, a real true loving God, not some insane not job that like to kill innocent people. Yes He is the GOd of the Hebrews, and also the God of all other races, no matter how much you want it to be, you are not going to Heaven thorugh acts of your own, well besides the act of accepting Jesus, other than that no act will get you to Heaven. Yes, believeing in Jesus is the only way, no other religion will get you there, if you do not believe me, just read the Bible and compare religions, just see what makes the most sense, why has nobody done this? Are you afraid? Just do I dare ya to. :)

[quote:806a5]People who "believe" have a problem see out side of the views. And the find it easy to condem anyone that does not believe as they do.[/quote:806a5]

It is not I that condem you, but the Lord Almighty. Im just trying to help you see the way, but its up to you. Im no better than anybody else in the world, but I do have Jesus, and that makes me saved and going to heaven. Have I ever question Gods exsistance? Yes, but then I pray or I do something and I ill get the reassurance that God does live. Satan gives us doubts and thoughts like these, but if you pray to God He will help you.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":f9971]

Yes, yes, I know what he means. I was being sarcastic. :) The GOd I worshiop is not Allah, it is a diferent God, a real true loving God, not some insane not job that like to kill innocent people. Yes He is the GOd of the Hebrews, and also the God of all other races, no matter how much you want it to be, you are not going to Heaven thorugh acts of your own, well besides the act of accepting Jesus, other than that no act will get you to Heaven. Yes, believeing in Jesus is the only way, no other religion will get you there, if you do not believe me, just read the Bible and compare religions, just see what makes the most sense, why has nobody done this? Are you afraid? Just do I dare ya to. :)
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Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all have the same roots. Christianity believes that Jesus is the Messiah. The other two believe he was a prophet. The jewish faith and islam split even more with the coming of Mohammed. So, to me, it is the same God, but worshipped differently. You should also try to to confuse muslim politics with the muslim faith. The Christian history is filled with much greater atrocities than the current politcal events. Thats back to the difference between religion and the church.

And I have read the Bible. And I have studied Christianity in a church sponsored setting as well as an academic and historical setting. I have also studied world religions. Its fascinating. It is why I completely disagree with statements like, "religion is a means to control simple minds." For the most part, most religions' messages are the same, its only the names and the rituals that differ.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":9cac6]
Or is it you can not explain your point anymore?[/quote:9cac6]

No, it is not. I have explained it very well enough, already.

Nothing more could be gained through me spending any more time discussing it with you.

YEs there has been alot of wrong doing by the Christian CHRUCH in history, and this mainly being the cathoilic church. They went totally against the Bible, they where not acting for God, but for themselves. Islamis a religion of terror, inn the Koran it says to kill infidels, and Muhhamad was a terriost himself. Aslo you see, I dont worshiop the same God as muslims, becuase the God I worshiop is real and is the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son, how can I be worshioping the same God when they donot believe Jesus is even His son? No, I worshiop the true God. I do worshiop the God of the Jews though, that is his chosen people, and Jesus is the messiah that came for the world. If you read the Bible, then you should see all the predictions about Jesus that came true, how could they get that right? Just a lucky guess? Islam is an obvious edited version of Christianity, one that promotes violence.

I am gonna still disagree with you duke.

You can find all the excuses for violence that you want in the bible. There is the one story in the old testament, cant remember which book, kings maybe, where the isrealites came upon this village. They were able to convince all the men of this village to get circumsized. The next day, when all the men were too sore to do anything, they went in and slaughtered them all. Big victory and all because they were philistines.

Islam is not a religion of terror. It does not promote violence anymore than the bible promoted the violence of the crusades. It is the corrupt men beind the scenes that twist the teachings to suit their needs.

the bible did not inspire the Crusades, rulers of European kingdoms did.

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":98f62][quote="Unknown_Sniper":98f62]god bless Morpheus.[/quote:98f62]you cant say god ur atheist... eek:[/quote:98f62]

Wrong you blind ignorant idiot. I can say god, I wont was God. There is a difference.And it is only a damn sayinig.

Duke you said this
[quote:98f62]Aslo you see, I dont worshiop the same God as muslims, becuase the God I worshiop is real and is the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son, how can I be worshioping the same God when they donot believe Jesus is even His son? No, I worshiop the true God.[/quote:98f62]

Can you disprove that their god is false? IF you cant then shut the hell up about your god being right. And stop trying to bash other religions. AS anti-religious as I am I stand up for those being hurt. And you are not showing the good side of your religion, so take a seat and stop embarassing yourself

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":4b1a9][quote="Unknown_Sniper":4b1a9]god bless Morpheus.[/quote:4b1a9]you cant say god ur atheist... eek:[/quote:4b1a9]

Wrong you blind ignorant idiot. I can say god, I wont was God. There is a difference.And it is only a damn sayinig.

Duke you said this
[quote:4b1a9]Aslo you see, I dont worshiop the same God as muslims, becuase the God I worshiop is real and is the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son, how can I be worshioping the same God when they donot believe Jesus is even His son? No, I worshiop the true God.[/quote:4b1a9]

Can you disprove that their god is false? IF you cant then shut the hell up about your god being right. And stop trying to bash other religions. AS anti-religious as I am I stand up for those being hurt. And you are not showing the good side of your religion, so take a seat and stop embarassing yourself

[quote:e442e]You can find all the excuses for violence that you want in the bible. There is the one story in the old testament, cant remember which book, kings maybe, where the isrealites came upon this village. They were able to convince all the men of this village to get circumsized. The next day, when all the men were too sore to do anything, they went in and slaughtered them all. Big victory and all because they were philistines.

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When things like this happen in the Bible, it was for a reason, not just becuase they were philstines. Things like this happend becuase of sin, look at waht happend to Israel for some of the horrible sins they did, we all deserve death, but thank GOd for being so loving that He let His only son die for us, that we may have ever lasting life. I can not explain why God did all these things , He is to great for me to understand it all. The Crusades here not at all inspired by the Bible, but by evil men.

[quote:e442e]Can you disprove that their god is false? IF you cant then shut the hell up about your god being right. And stop trying to bash other religions. AS anti-religious as I am I stand up for those being hurt. And you are not showing the good side of your religion, so take a seat and stop embarassing yourself [/quote:e442e]

I can show evidence that proves my God exsists and that He i the only God, an that Islam is false. Also I am not bashing other religions, I am stating facts, one Jesus is the only way, and Islam is not peaceful, do I hate muslims? No, I do not hate the Hijackers of 9-11, I feel sad for people like that becuase they do go to Hell. Also, how am I not showing the good side of my religion? There is only good, infact Christianity is not about religion, but Faith, not religious acts.

ok give me your proof that there is no other god. I dont want anything that you cannot prove wiht 100% actualy fact. no assumptions or biased oppinions. just truth

I dont beleive in God, I dont beleive there can be a god. But i respect other peoples beleifs and will not say things like duke_of_ray has as if it is fact.
None of us can really say "There is a god" or "there is no god" and know for sure. but In Our Own Opinions, we can beleive what we like.

IMO, Monty Pythons Life Of Brian takes a deceptivly close look at the likely hood of jesus, how easy it to assume someone as a messiah. The film was blasted as blasphemous by church leaders and banned from screens for a while until the 80s. Yes i am aware it is a comedy, but it really does put things into perspective if you look at it that way.
quote "He certainly looks like a messiah, and i should know, ive followed a few!"
"im not the messiah!"
"only the true messiah would deny his identity"
"oh alright then i AM the messiah"
"he is! he is the messiah! all hail..."

I personally beleive that quite probably there was a man called jesus, and he would have stood up before crowds and said some wise things, kind of like todays election campaigns. a selection of people get up before the public and make speeches and hope they are liked. Well, jesus was liked...... but not by the romans. Who probably executed him as he was becoming a political threat.
Well, thats one way of looking at it. On the other hand you could look at it that god created all and let his son die etc etc...
but that is only my opinion. I dont beleive in any such being as god.

there is likely to be a scientific explanation to everything.