We should reenact the Heavens Gate cult suicides but use rufees instead.

[quote="Old Reliable":9d628]Of course it makes sense. you're oblivious to the damage being done to the environment, so when you realise it then you can talk about it. anyways we're not talking about communism. no government seems to work for everyone[/quote:9d628]

All I'm saying is that NO government could stop damage to the ecosystem. Humans are parasitical by nature and always have been. We are simply parasites. We consume natural resources and have no way to properly balance our consumption.

You are thinking way, way too small on this. What you need to realize is that the Earth has been around for millions of years. The Earth has ways of renewing and cleansing itself that we can't possibly fathom, because man, in the sense of being aware of the Earth's condition, has been around for a very short period of time.

What is happening to the environment is going to happen, period. No radical group of extremists or general hippy uprising on the internet will ever cease man's taxation of his surrounding environment. That's just who we are.

People had the same types of opinions decades, centuries and even millenia ago about the state of the environment. They said the world would end for any number of reasons. According to a prediction from the 80s, we should've run out of oil nearly a decade ago. Let's face it, we don't know everything. We say that we know more than any generation before us, and that their ideas were silly while our's are scientifically sound. What will the laughing scientists say of our oil paranoia or of us freaking out over "global warming" in the future when science develops further?

In short, hippies are naive morons. Thank you.

well humans represent .01% of earth's existence, and we've only really begun to pollute the world in the past 200 or so years. it has accelerated immensly in the past 20, so i'm just saying there is a need for concern that isn't matched by the government's concern.

I agree that we should be conscious of our environmental impact to a degree, but I don't feel that we should call democracy a failure because you don't necessarily agree with their handling of environmental issues. Or government as a whole, I guess.

When it comes down to government or anarchy, I'd bet my house that government will be better for the environment any day. So I guess I'm confused as to what you feel is the alternative?

yeah i'm not totally positive on an alternative either, but i favour more the swiss style of government with much more representative form. usa is one of most difficult places to govern due to its diversity and *ahem* ignorance and independence of sorts. lets just say things could be much better, but what can i do sleeping: