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Short Hand 10-26-2004 08:38 PM

to you noc... its all about money.

Himmler 10-26-2004 08:40 PM

Kerry changes his mind about shit too often oOo:

Drew 10-26-2004 08:56 PM

[quote="Short Hand":8b445]to you noc... its all about money.[/quote:8b445]

In case you missed the clue train, the only thing government is good for is the regulation of economy. Everything else is going to happen regardless of which party has a president in the White House.

ninty 10-28-2004 11:32 AM

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

TonyMontana 10-28-2004 01:02 PM

[img]http://victor.365ink.com/uploads/nocvirus.jpg[/img]

noctis fix your shiet happy:

Drew 10-28-2004 04:49 PM

i r running teh Norton and sheet.

rdeyes 10-28-2004 11:39 PM

michael moore bleeds brown gravy. i wish someone would shoot that fat F*ck .. im going with bush , he may be an idiot but at least he doesnt flip-flop on every issue.

BeanerMan 10-29-2004 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdeyes
michael moore bleeds brown gravy. i wish someone would shoot that fat F*ck .. im going with bush , he may be an idiot but at least he doesnt flip-flop on every issue.

Exmaple of a "Compassionette" conservative. Wishing death on someone because of their different political views. oOo: I may not like Bush's foreign and domestic policy but I don't wish death on the man. I mean come on. annoy:

Akuma 10-29-2004 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdeyes
michael moore bleeds brown gravy. i wish someone would shoot that fat F*ck .. im going with bush , he may be an idiot but at least he doesnt flip-flop on every issue.

Why do you hate America?

Colonel 10-29-2004 02:48 PM

I feel alot better about the election now. If it is this close of a vote in this forum (where it appears to me that most of the members are fairly left of center) then I imagine that in the real world Bush should win in a blow out. ;)

Pyro 10-29-2004 02:51 PM

It is starting to seem like the confederates won the Civil War in America now.

Coleman 10-29-2004 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
It is starting to seem like the confederates won the Civil War in America now.

-1 for smart-ass comment

Akuma 10-29-2004 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coleman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
It is starting to seem like the confederates won the Civil War in America now.

+1 for smart-ass comment

^ biggrin:

Coleman 10-29-2004 03:41 PM

interesting site....

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Mr.Buttocks 10-29-2004 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coleman
interesting site....

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

Worth reading if you know you're going to be voting electronically. The site's currently fubar because it got hacked yesterday; they uploaded some evidence of vote rigging. See the "BREAKING NEWS" bit at the top and keep an eye for them uploading the evidence.

ps: The woman that created that site has found out that it's possible to access the Diebold voting machines remotely over the internet, and fuck with the results. gg. oOo:

Colonel 10-29-2004 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
It is starting to seem like the confederates won the Civil War in America now.

What do you mean starting to win? nag:

fujimi7su 10-31-2004 11:04 PM

no matter what bush's policies are, if we want to keep the respect of the rest of the world, he has to go

im sorry but its true

the election is fucked, everyone knows it, just see who fucks harder

Milla 10-31-2004 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coleman
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
It is starting to seem like the confederates won the Civil War in America now.

-1 for smart-ass comment

+ 1 for being a smartass right back biggrin:

Mr.Buttocks 11-01-2004 03:42 AM

[quote:d3c5c]
Purposely Corrupted Diebold
Voting Terminals
By Bev Harris
10-31-4


Manipulation technique found in the Diebold central tabulator --

1,000 of these systems are in place, and they count up to two million votes at a time.

"By entering a 2-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created. This set of votes can be changed, so that it no longer matches the correct votes" !!!

The voting system will then read the totals from the bogus vote set. It takes only seconds to change the votes, and to date not a single location in the U.S. has implemented security measures to fully mitigate the risks.

This program is not "stupidity" or sloppiness.

It was designed and tested over a series of a dozen version adjustments.

Public officials: If you are in a county that uses GEMS 1.18.18, GEMS 1.18.19, or GEMS 1.18.23, your secretary or state may not have told you about this. You're the one who'll be blamed if your election is tampered with. Find out for yourself if you have this problem: Black Box Voting will be happy to walk you through a diagnostic procedure over the phone.

Whether you vote absentee, on touch-screens, or on paper ballot (fill in the bubble) optical scan machines, all votes are ultimately brought to the "mother ship," the central tabulator at the county which adds them all up and creates the results report.

These systems are used in over 30 states and each counts up to two million votes at once.

The central tabulator is far more vulnerable than the touch screen terminals.

Think about it: If you were going to tamper with an election, would you rather tamper with 4,500 individual voting machines, or with just one machine, the central tabulator which receives votes from all the machines? Of course, the central tabulator is the most desirable target. Findings:

The GEMS central tabulator program is incorrectly designed and highly vulnerable to fraud. Election results can be changed in a matter of seconds. Part of the program we examined appears to be designed with election tampering in mind.

We have also learned that election officials maintain inadequate controls over access to the central tabulator. We need to beef up procedures to mitigate risks.

Much of this information, originally published on July 8, 2003, has since been corroborated by formal studies (RABA) and by Diebold's own internal memos written by its programmers.

Not a single location has yet implemented the security measures needed to mitigate the risk. Yet, it is not too late. We need to tackle this one, folks, roll up our sleeves, and implement corrective measures.

In Nov. 2003, Black Box Voting founder Bev Harris, and director Jim March, filed a Qui Tam lawsuit in California citing fraudulent claims by Diebold, seeking restitution for the taxpayer. Diebold claimed its voting system was secure. It is, in fact, highly vulnerable to and appears to be designed for fraud.

The California Attorney General was made aware of this problem nearly a year ago. Harris and Black Box Voting Associate Director Andy Stephenson visited the Washington Attorney General's office in Feb. 2004 to inform them of the problem.

Yet, nothing has been done to inform election officials who are using the system, nor have appropriate security safeguards been implemented.

In fact, Gov. Swarzenegger recently froze the funds, allocated by Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, which would have paid for increased scrutiny of the voting system in California.

On April 21, 2004, Harris appeared before the California Voting Systems Panel, and presented the smoking gun document showing that Diebold had not corrected the GEMS flaws, even though it had updated and upgraded the GEMS program.

On Aug. 8, 2004, Harris demonstrated to Howard Dean how easy it is to change votes in GEMS, on CNBC TV.

On Aug. 11, 2004, Jim March formally requested that the Calfornia Voting Systems Panel watch the demonstration of the double set of books in GEMS. They were already convened, and the time for Harris was already allotted. Though the demonstration takes only 3 minutes, the panel refused to allow it and would not look. They did, however, meet privately with Diebold afterwards, without informing the public or issuing any report of what transpired.

On Aug. 18, 2004, Harris and Stephenson, together with computer security expert Dr. Hugh Thompson, and former King County Elections Supervisor Julie Anne Kempf, met with members of the California Voting Systems Panel and the California Secretary of State's office to demonstrate the double set of books. The officials declined to allow a camera crew from 60 Minutes to film or attend.

The Secretary of State's office halted the meeting, called in the general counsel for their office, and a defense attorney from the California Attorney General's office. They refused to allow Black Box Voting to videotape its own demonstration. They prohibited any audiotape and specified that no notes of the meeting could be requested in public records requests.

The undersecretary of state, Mark Kyle, left the meeting early, and one voting panel member, John Mott Smith, appeared to sleep through the presentation.

On Aug. 23, 2004, CBC TV came to California and filmed the demonstration.

On Aug 30 and 31, Harris and Stephenson will be in New York City to demonstrate the double set of books for any public official and any TV crews who wish to see it.

On Sept. 1, another event is planned in New York City, and on Sept. 21, Harris and Stephenson intend to demonstrate the problem for members and congress and the press in Washington D.C.

Diebold has known of the problem, or should have known, because it did a cease and desist on the web site when Harris originally reported the problem in 2003. On Aug. 11, 2004, Harris also offered to show the problem to Marvin Singleton, Diebold's damage control expert, and to other Diebold execs. They refused to look.

Why don't people want to look? Suppose you are formally informed that the gas tank tends to explode on the car you are telling people to use. If you KNOW about it, but do nothing, you are liable.

LET US HOLD DIEBOLD, AND OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS, ACCOUNTABLE.

1) Let there be no one who can say "I didn't know."

2) Let there be no election jurisdiction using GEMS that fails to implement all of the proper corrective procedures, this fall, to mitigate risk.

Copyright © 2004 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78[/quote:d3c5c]


eek:

Mr.Buttocks 11-01-2004 10:41 AM

http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/rela ... /12730.php

Mr.Buttocks 11-01-2004 02:44 PM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... oter_calls

Apocalypse | NoW 11-01-2004 02:57 PM

I get a day off from school for the election! dance:

Milla 11-01-2004 03:02 PM

Not me.

Pyro 11-01-2004 08:39 PM

Kerry for the betterment of USA

Bush for the rising dollar of Canada.

guarnere 11-01-2004 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
Kerry for the betterment of USA

Bush for the rising dollar of Canada.

Sucks to be Canadian!

Bush, thx.

ninty 11-01-2004 09:49 PM

Why would that suck? The rising dollar is generally accepted as a good thing. oOo:

Arkan 11-02-2004 12:51 PM

Just got back from the polls. Bush got the nod.

SoViEt 11-02-2004 04:36 PM

http://www.globalvote2004.org

Coleman 11-02-2004 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoViEt
http://www.globalvote2004.org

die you commie! annoy:



biggrin: beer:

Old Reliable 11-02-2004 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
Just got back from the polls. Bush got the nod.

i'm sorry to hear you don't care about america's future

Coleman 11-02-2004 05:32 PM

[quote="Old Reliable":36c7d]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
Just got back from the polls. Bush got the nod.

i'm sorry to hear you don't care about america's future[/quote:36c7d] rolleyes:

Proteus 11-02-2004 05:55 PM

Well, half the kerry votes are canadian, so Bush wins!

Proteus 11-02-2004 05:56 PM

[quote="Old Reliable":e8468]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
Just got back from the polls. Bush got the nod.

i'm sorry to hear you don't care about america's future[/quote:e8468]

Yeah because another 4 years of Bush would ruin mankind forever.

The Milkman 11-02-2004 06:44 PM

Michael Badnarik was not included in this. eek:

The Milkman 11-02-2004 06:45 PM

Michael Badnarik was not included in this. eek:

(2nd post)

Madmartagen 11-02-2004 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoViEt
http://www.globalvote2004.org

LOL, thats awesome!

fujimi7su 11-02-2004 08:36 PM

http://www.psychedelicrepublicans.com/
http://georgewbush.org/
http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvo ... anyway.com

Drew 11-02-2004 08:37 PM

Looks like Bush is taking it. rock:

Akuma 11-02-2004 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noctis
Looks like Bush is taking it. rock:

lol

Old Reliable 11-03-2004 02:16 AM

[quote=Coleman]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Old Reliable":d9382
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
Just got back from the polls. Bush got the nod.

i'm sorry to hear you don't care about america's future

rolleyes:[/quote:d9382]

hi, have you seen me? sincerely, clean environment for your children


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