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Arkan 04-17-2007 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks
Just inflate the cost of bullets, that when someone gets shot... you know they must have did something for someone to cap them with a $100 bullet.

Retard

Anyway, if you think you can tax the shit out of ammo, go for it. Alot of shooters reload their own stuff, plus military surplus ammo can be found anywhere for cheap.

Milla 04-17-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elstatec
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Originally Posted by ninty
When it comes down to it, if you were to ban all guns, only criminals would have guns. Now what?

well this legally bought gun would not of been the object that killed 33 people yesterday.

33 people wouldn't have been killed if the guy wasn't a psycho. It's a moot point man. Just because you don't like guns, or don't believe guns should be in the hands of civilians doesn't mean that everyone that carries them or has them is evil.

It all boils down to security at the schools. I think there should be armed guards on all campuses.

elstatec 04-17-2007 08:56 PM

but a gun killed these people, not just the fucked up mind of some lunatic.

Jotun 04-17-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammer
[url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261765:b24e0]Heroic Professor at VT[/url:b24e0]
[quote:b24e0]A 76-year-old professor and Holocaust survivor was hailed as a hero after his students recounted how he saved about 20 people in Monday's US school shooting before being gunned down himself.

Liviu Librescu, a senior researcher and lecturer at Virginia Tech University, blocked the classroom door when he heard shooting and continued to hold the gunman at bay while students escaped through a classroom window.

Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b24e0]
I know somebody who knows one of the students that escaped because of him and saw it happen, its just terrible...

Simo Häyhä 04-17-2007 09:19 PM

Virginia has the most lax gun laws in the country, in case you all wanted to know.

Milla i bet you're glad you bought your USP, guarenteed that your state is going to get shit on by a mountain of gun laws. calmdown:

anti 04-17-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks
Just inflate the cost of bullets, that when someone gets shot... you know they must have did something for someone to cap them with a $100 bullet.

did you just try and reference a stand up comedian?

Simo Häyhä 04-17-2007 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by anti
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Originally Posted by Sparks
Just inflate the cost of bullets, that when someone gets shot... you know they must have did something for someone to cap them with a $100 bullet.

did you just try and reference a stand up comedian?

I believe Chris Rock stated bullets should cost 5,000 USD

anti 04-17-2007 09:25 PM

ZING

Simo Häyhä 04-17-2007 09:52 PM

Why dont you just fuck off before I refinance your home equity loan

Chronic Diarrhea 04-17-2007 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Milla
33 people wouldn't have been killed if the guy wasn't a psycho. It's a moot point man. Just because you don't like guns, or don't believe guns should be in the hands of civilians doesn't mean that everyone that carries them or has them is evil.

It all boils down to security at the schools. I think there should be armed guards on all campuses.

Exactly. You can't say if guns were banned he wouldn't have been able to kill 33 people. And let's not forget that the deadliest school massacre (VT wasn't it, by the way) didn't involve a single firearm.

[url:22b80]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url:22b80]

Not that it cheapens what happened in Virginia in any way.....I'm just trying to illustrate Milla's point that if someone decides to create such carnage, they will regardless of what is done to try and stop them. All you can do is try to mitigate the damage.

Tripper 04-17-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks
c312 just proved my point. I'm pretty sure the families will soon find out later that Cho himself teased people or even harassed his girlfriend, but we'll never know because of gag-orders.

We only see what the media and government wants us to see. I'll use a case that's more closer to a college student wielding a gun... Lee Harvey Oswald. We all know how he was part of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, had a troubled childhood, had connections with Russia and did some spy work. What we don't hear is that he was young bright man growing up who wanted to serve his country, he was a loving husband, a wonderful father to his two children, his close friends and co-workers said he wasn't a bad guy... yet all we hear from the government is that he was a lunatic with a gun who decided to off the president someday for no apparent reason without even benefiting from it. Keeping in mind he is just a "suspected" assassinater, but people are led to believe it was him because they get all the bad rep on him.
Lee Harvey Oswald comparison doesn't work - There wasnt any question on whether Cho was the killer or not, he would have been positively ID'd by several students who saw his face clearly as he rampaged through their school - Whereas Oswald sniped the President from a distance, his killing was done in a matter of seconds from a distance. Plus there is a conspiracy theory about Oswald not being the killer for several reasons surrounding the fact that the victim was the PRESIDENT. Why would the media need to warp the story against Cho? He did it for himself. This is an open and shut case, whether he was a nice guy or not is totally ireelevant - He killed 32 innocent randomly selected people he'd probably never met before.

The terrorists on 9/11 were doing what they were because of their religious duties and beliefs, what does that have to do with being lonely, manic depressive, or even crazy.You're right, what does that have to do with being lonely and manic depressive? Another stupid comparison - The terrorists had religous causes, what was Cho's driving intention? Somehow I don't think it was jihad or anything similar.

You guys are so one sided on this and simply like to take the easy route on outrage. I bet none of you guys personally knew Cho. Granted I didn't either, but I'm pretty sure you didn't as well. And the school doesn't know the Cho that's walking down the street on Saturday nights so don't even go there about the English papers gestapo crap, because pa-leaze, you're going to tell me Cho is the only person in the entire school to ever write a paper with guns or chainsaws in it.
So what point are you trying to make, and why? It makes no sense. You definitely didn't read the paper because there were a few words in their I'd be embarrased to say out loud in a public place. Like someone else said there was no gun either, and the chainsaw part isnt even that crazy, its more the entire topic and the way Cho portrays human emotion and conflict. People are trying to rationalize after an event like this. Its been one day and you're already crying out conspiracy theories. Really, what could the media possibly be denying you about this case?


Arkan 04-17-2007 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elstatec
but a gun killed these people, not just the fucked up mind of some lunatic.

Wrong. A gun was USED to kill those people, not the gun itself. The gun couldn't fire itself, it needed a lunitic to point it at someone and pull the trigger.

Whenever something like this happens, people scream gun control. Well, the way i see it, gun control helped make this situation happen. How you ask? Well, you may argue that he had access to buying a gun legally. Yes, that is correct. Nothing was in his background to prove otherwise. Up until he killed his 1st victim, he didn't do anything to prevent himself from getting a gun legally.

http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadet ... ID=1702625

The above link is why i feel gun control had an impact on yesterdays tragedy. If someone other than the shooter was armed, perhaps this never happens.

All you people can say what you will and monday quarterback it to death...all i know is, i always have a means to protect myself...always.

gtboys34 04-17-2007 10:26 PM

i once wrote a story about a pipe bomb and planes and shits back in 6th grade. They took me out of class (lol) and i tried to explain to them that it wasn't my intention to do that AT ALL. I said "im black dammit", we dont know how to make no damn bombs bitch! " They left me alone after that


nah i was joking about that last part but that actually happened. I kinda laughed at some of the story dude wrote btw..

Unknown_Sniper 04-17-2007 10:27 PM

hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight

Tripper 04-17-2007 10:33 PM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":b6871]hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm[/url]
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight[/quote:b6871]

Gun control had nothing to do with that.

If someone wants to kill a public official, without evidence noone can really stop them unless they're ready for it. Had he killed more than one person maybe I'd agree with you....but even if you had a weapon in that situation - how are you going to know where to shoot in time before the faceless criminal gets his one and only killshot off?

Unknown_Sniper 04-17-2007 10:34 PM

that was exactly my point. Gun control cant stop shooting from happening.

gtboys34 04-17-2007 10:36 PM

dude actually shot a total of 52 ppl 32 dead/19 wounded correct?

Chronic Diarrhea 04-17-2007 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gtboys34
dude actually shot a total of 52 ppl 32 dead/19 wounded correct?

Around that number. I heard 20+ were injured.

gtboys34 04-17-2007 10:59 PM

thats insane

Douchetallica 04-17-2007 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
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Originally Posted by Sparks
We only see what the media and government wants us to see. I'll use a case that's more closer to a college student wielding a gun... Lee Harvey Oswald. We all know how he was part of the Fair Play For Cuba Committee, had a troubled childhood, had connections with Russia and did some spy work. What we don't hear is that he was young bright man growing up who wanted to serve his country, he was a loving husband, a wonderful father to his two children, his close friends and co-workers said he wasn't a bad guy... yet all we hear from the government is that he was a lunatic with a gun who decided to off the president someday for no apparent reason without even benefiting from it. Keeping in mind he is just a "suspected" assassinater, but people are led to believe it was him because they get all the bad rep on him.
Lee Harvey Oswald comparison doesn't work - There wasnt any question on whether Cho was the killer or not, he would have been positively ID'd by several students who saw his face clearly as he rampaged through their school - Whereas Oswald sniped the President from a distance, his killing was done in a matter of seconds from a distance. Plus there is a conspiracy theory about Oswald not being the killer for several reasons surrounding the fact that the victim was the PRESIDENT. Why would the media need to warp the story against Cho? He did it for himself. This is an open and shut case, whether he was a nice guy or not is totally ireelevant - He killed 32 innocent randomly selected people he'd probably never met before.


My comparison on L.H.O. wasn't on identification of shooters, thanks for quoting me out of context.

We don't know if Cho did it for himself, can anyone really say they knew what was going on in the mind of Cho as a young child, or five years ago, or five months ago, or five minutes before the first shooting.

Just because he wrote a few very harsh papers symbolizing hatred towards a father figure and a teacher figure doesn't really provide substational evidence to say we know what was going on inside his head.

I'm might be going out on a limb here, but I'm sure people say such harsh things too in journals/diaries. Should we go report them because their a shady figure and we snooped around their items? Where does the right to privacy come into play. I took a screen writing class and some kids wrote horrible stuff on girlfriend/boyfriend situations which involved mutilation and retaliation, some of those kids were shady figures too (shy and kept to themselves). Aside from it being a creative writing class, shouldn't they also feel that sense of privacy when writing stuff.

I wonder if Cho's family wanted those papers given to the media, or if the school violated his privacy rights and gave them out. Granted this is involving state and federal investigation, does the public really need to see those things word for word? Or are we part of a guinea pig scheme to take and swallow what's given to us without question.

If he being a nice guy or not is irrelevant, why bother to judge him? Why bother to post his English papers? As you said, he murdered innocent people, that's all we as the general public need to know.

As I said before, only the families of the victims will get a more in-depth knowledge of what went down.

Lance_B@ss_Pwnz 04-17-2007 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks
Just inflate the cost of bullets, that when someone gets shot... you know they must have did something for someone to cap them with a $100 bullet.

Retard

Anyway, if you think you can tax the shit out of ammo, go for it. Alot of shooters reload their own stuff, plus military surplus ammo can be found anywhere for cheap.



Some one watched chris rock, inflate the bullets lol.

Tripper 04-17-2007 11:50 PM

We don't know if Cho did it for himself, can anyone really say they knew what was going on in the mind of Cho as a young child, or five years ago, or five months ago, or five minutes before the first shooting.
What do you mean by "did it for himself?" Like I said, its the first day since, the pieces of the puzzle are still being put together....They said that stuff about the english paper because its true - Its obviously from the mind of a troubled youth. The fact that most of these same sorts of kids involved with spree killings are engaging in the very same behaviour....and dont tell me you ever wrote a story as fucked up as that, with all the expletives etc and ever handed it in to a teacher. That alone is cause for concern.

Just because he wrote a few very harsh papers symbolizing hatred towards a father figure and a teacher figure doesn't really provide substational evidence to say we know what was going on inside his head.
Thats just it, no-ones claiming they know whats going on in his head - people are trying to figure it out, so they can prevent it from happening again.

I'm might be going out on a limb here, but I'm sure people say such harsh things too in journals/diaries. Should we go report them because their a shady figure and we snooped around their items? Where does the right to privacy come into play.What are you talking about privacy? They were for his english class. You hand it in to get marked and your writing is being assesed by someone - its no longer a private thing. MAYBE I'd understand if it were from his private collection that were only for him - But even then - The guy is dead, who gives a fuck if the paper is released and judged? He's dead. Not only that but he killed 32 people - Its kind of pathetic to even give a fuck about honoring the true soul of a dead spree killer.

I wonder if Cho's family wanted those papers given to the media, or if the school violated his privacy rights and gave them out. Granted this is involving state and federal investigation, does the public really need to see those things word for word? Or are we part of a guinea pig scheme to take and swallow what's given to us without question.
Like I said, who gives a fuck about his privacy. This is not the case to launch your conspiracy theorie about the media from...Try something a little less open and shut.

If he being a nice guy or not is irrelevant, why bother to judge him? Why bother to post his English papers? As you said, he murdered innocent people, that's all we as the general public need to know.
To pick out the obvious symptoms of a potential spree-killer - like that english paper, so that people can try to rationalize with whats happening - and try to make sense of why someone would do something like that. Nobody knows for sure why this is happening, not even the media, thats why they use the paper as a talking point. Everybody just wants answers.

Tripper 04-17-2007 11:59 PM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":8418a]that was exactly my point. Gun control cant stop shooting from happening.[/quote:8418a]

I don't think anyone is saying that - but if you compare japanese gun homicide statistics with the U.S's I think you'd see why your point doesn't work.

Douchetallica 04-18-2007 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripper
He did it for himself.

You actually said that; why would you say it and then rip on me for repeating it in a different context on how no one can be sure he did it for himself, you're losing continuity in your posts and degrading your coherency.

My screen play was actually about a fantasy story with kids, so I didn't need violence in mine. But you're going to tell me there's not at least 50 other kids in the entire USA alone who write stuff like that?

There are such things as student-teacher confidentiality and usually ranges in different forms for schools, but it's typically more or less the same rules regarding written or oral communication/work/stats/etc... being kept between the school and student. People are pretty anal about it too. But again, you're losing continuity by saying it's ok that info is made public even though you earlier said him being crazy or not doesn't really matter.

I'm not even launching conspiracy theories against the media. All I'm saying is that we'll [the general public] never know the truth of what happened at VT or the prior life on Cho.

No one can really prevent school massacres. The Columbine incident was supposedly because they got picked on. VT incident was supposedly because of a girlfriend issue. I don't see the connections or patterns in motives there to prevent future incidents. Journals/notes/home-recordings are usually only found after the incidents.

If you surf online blogs, I'm sure you'll find a handful of posts that talk about having a bad day at school/work and wanting to blow it up or take out a teacher/coworker, they may vary to different degrees, but that does warrant a need to call the fuzz and have them taken in for interrogations? Granted they may not be as bad as Cho's writings, but who's to say by brushing it off it may later turn into something big? Apparently that was the case with Cho from an interview with his English tutor/teacher.

Your last point was valid, so I concur with you there.

c312 04-18-2007 12:39 AM

wow, this is totally and utterly pointless--Sparks, you are an idiot. You claim that people are distorting the shooters motivation saying that "we can't know his real causes because nobody actually knew him" yet you suggest alternate motivations with no evidence.

This was a tragic incident that shouldn't have happened. The school officials should have canceled class and locked down the school after the FIRST shooting. We can say all we want about who or what is to blame, but in the end, it doesn't matter; people will always do evil things whether they can buy guns illegally or not, the most we can do is to try to raise people in our society to be able to cope with bad things happening to them and to treat people who aren't capable of doing so.

Milla 04-18-2007 01:00 AM

Yup, plus the lock down on campus thing, there should of been a general warning over a loud speaker system, but its literally like trying to lock down a small city, 25,000 people aren't going to get the message.

Douchetallica 04-18-2007 01:13 AM

I heard their swipe access to dorms goes off sometime around 7am and goes back on at 6pm, that's odd to not leave it on 24/7.

At our school there is swipe access to just about everything except classrooms, and they're always active 24/7. And for dorms, you need someone to sign you in so you get a special swipe access card if you don't live at that specific dorm.

I guess we have a pretty tight security system, too tight sometimes that people hate it. I don't have classes Monday, but when I went to class today downtown Chicago and the other campus north of Chicago, they had cops swarming around patrolling both campuses. The swipe access at our school is already like wearing a tight underwear, the security needs to calmdown: .

If something like that went down at our school, they'd be able to conceal the person right away in one room if he was in a swipe access room by locking it. And they'd be able to know right away who was in there.

Plus our cards only work at certain buildings, like I'm a game design major so my card only works at the computer school and its labs, I can't swipe into the music school and other field of study school buildings.

Tripper 04-18-2007 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sparks
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Originally Posted by Tripper
He did it for himself.

You actually said that; why would you say it and then rip on me for repeating it in a different context on how no one can be sure he did it for himself, you're losing continuity in your posts and degrading your coherency.
Semantics. It wasnt a 'rip' on you - It was an honest question.

My screen play was actually about a fantasy story with kids, so I didn't need violence in mine. But you're going to tell me there's not at least 50 other kids in the entire USA alone who write stuff like that?
Yes, there probably are 50 other kids, and obviously there are going to be some exceptions because a violent story doesnt make a killer, but there are obvious patterns with kids who write troubled stories, and its those kinds of kids that only need to be pushed over the edge, if they have access to guns then that means they're a threat. Of course you can't do anything pre-emptive, but im not implicating that anyone should, im saying that these people should get the help they need from professionals.

There are such things as student-teacher confidentiality and usually ranges in different forms for schools, but it's typically more or less the same rules regarding written or oral communication/work/stats/etc... being kept between the school and student. People are pretty anal about it too. But again, you're losing continuity by saying it's ok that info is made public even though you earlier said him being crazy or not doesn't really matter.

Im sorry but I dont see how im losing continuity? ...Even if I had said him being crazy or not doesnt matter - Which I DIDN'T (I said it didn't matter whether he was a NICE GUY or not) - How would that effect my opinion that the papers being made public is okay??

You're making no sense now.



I'm not even launching conspiracy theories against the media. All I'm saying is that we'll [the general public] never know the truth of what happened at VT or the prior life on Cho.

No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know?

The Columbine incident was supposedly because they got picked on. VT incident was supposedly because of a girlfriend issue.
That 'girlfriend issue' was initial speculation, have you even been following this? They found a note outlining hatred towards "rich kids, charlatans etc," You know fuck all about this considering how much you claim to...

I don't see the connections or patterns in motives there to prevent future incidents. Journals/notes/home-recordings are usually only found after the incidents.
Well now you're arguing that its pointless to even bother analysing these crimes and the evidence and just give up. Don't be fucking ridiculous. Like I said, people want answers, they want anything - this is an obvious pattern that is forming behind school massacres, so why shouldn't we look at it and focus on it? It would be stupid not to.

If you surf online blogs, I'm sure you'll find a handful of posts that talk about having a bad day at school/work and wanting to blow it up or take out a teacher/coworker, they may vary to different degrees, but that does warrant a need to call the fuzz and have them taken in for interrogations?
Who the fuck said that the fuzz should be called over something like this? I didn't even insinuate that. You're just being an argumentative douche here. I said they should get some HELP. Not be arrested and interrogated. For fucks sake.

Granted they may not be as bad as Cho's writings, but who's to say by brushing it off it may later turn into something big? Apparently that was the case with Cho from an interview with his English tutor/teacher.
What? Are you saying that it was wrong for the english teacher to suggest counselling? Could you relay your point here - Im confused about what you're trying to say.


Eight Ace 04-18-2007 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty
When it comes down to it, if you were to ban all guns, only criminals would have guns. Now what?

seems that most of these spontaneous spree-shooters don't even have a previous criminal record,
they may be moody bitches but usually at least appear to be law-abiding, however when these
people do snap for whatever reason, there's usually one thing that will assure they can instantly
and easily go to the top of the list of criminal acts, and that's a legal gun.

Proteus 04-18-2007 09:01 AM

Stupid bitch keeps talking about the wind gusts in the cnn vid, she trying to get the meterologist position?

That's terrible. I've never heard of that many deaths in a school shooting.

Chronic Diarrhea 04-18-2007 09:22 AM

[quote:dc6bf]No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know? [/quote:dc6bf]

I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.

Tripper 04-18-2007 11:06 AM

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":107e8][quote:107e8]No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know? [/quote:107e8]

I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.[/quote:107e8]

I disagree - Its a pretty generalized statement to make...Its true you cant stop all, but considering that school shootings are part of an 'epidemic' in modern culture - There may be a way to eventually move-on from these events being commonplace, but until then it is still possible to prevent school massacres, and plenty have been foiled....There is a typical detectable behaviour associated with a school spree killer:

[quote:107e8]A thorough study of all U.S. school shootings by the U.S. Secret Service warned against the belief that a certain "type" of student would be a perpetrator. Any "profile" would fit too many students to be useful and may not fit the potential perpetrators. Some lived with both parents in 'an ideal, All-American family.' Some were children of divorce, or lived in foster homes. A few were loners, but most had close friends.

While it may be simplistic to assume a straightforward "profile", the study did find certain similarities among the perpetrators. "The researchers found that killers do not 'snap'. They plan. They acquire weapons. They tell others what they are planning. These children take a long, considered, public path toward violence."[1] Princeton's Katherine Newman points out that, far from being "loners", the perpetrators are "joiners" whose attempts at social integration fail, that they let their thinking and even their plans be known, sometimes frequently over long periods of times. The shootings seem as though an attempt to adjust their social standing and image, from "loser" to "master of violence."

Many of the kid killers told Secret Service investigators that feelings of alienation or persecution drove them to violence. Instead of looking for traits, the Secret Service urges adults to ask about behavior: "What has this child said? Do they have grievances? What do their friends know? Do they have access to weapons? Are they depressed or despondent?"[/quote:107e8]

[url:107e8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres[/url:107e8]

....On that page there is a list of at least 20 foiled plots, so dont tell me you cant prevent this from happening.

Douchetallica 04-18-2007 11:30 AM

Are the arrested kids charged as adults? Or do they see a shrink, do some community service, and they're free to try again at a later point in time?

This can get into that whole idea of what Phillip K. Dick wrote in his book "Minority Report".
How do we know these kids really, truly, 100% sure were going to carry it out aside from them having plans at home, having access to a gun, or just writing about in online.

http://www.xanga.com/oboe7Jesusfreak/19 ... /item.html
http://www.xanga.com/ChRiStInE_hearts_y ... huh-d.html

Those two sites mention wanting to kill teachers... are we going to see them up there on the foiled lists?

Tripper 04-18-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparks
Are the arrested kids charged as adults? Or do they see a shrink, do some community service, and they're free to try again at a later point in time?

This can get into that whole idea of what Phillip K. Dick wrote in his book "Minority Report".
How do we know these kids really, truly, 100% sure were going to carry it out aside from them having plans at home, having access to a gun, or just writing about in online.

http://www.xanga.com/oboe7Jesusfreak/19 ... /item.html
http://www.xanga.com/ChRiStInE_hearts_y ... huh-d.html

Those two sites mention wanting to kill teachers... are we going to see them up there on the foiled lists?

You don't have an argument anymore. Stop trying so hard to be right, that's why we're arguing a totally different topic now.
Not only that but every point in your post is based on huge negative assumptions...

Seriously, what's worse - A kid going to counseling because of troubling images, to be analyzed - Or 30 kids dead?

What do you suggest? Just let this kind of thing happen?

Unknown_Sniper 04-18-2007 05:20 PM

if you havent heard. NBC received a package from Cho that he sent between the two killings. It basically proves this is entirely premeditated.
Supposedly one of the things in the package was a video of his first murder.

[DAS REICH] Blitz 04-18-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stammer
[url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261765:b1555]Heroic Professor at VT[/url:b1555]
[quote:b1555]A 76-year-old professor and Holocaust survivor was hailed as a hero after his students recounted how he saved about 20 people in Monday's US school shooting before being gunned down himself.

Liviu Librescu, a senior researcher and lecturer at Virginia Tech University, blocked the classroom door when he heard shooting and continued to hold the gunman at bay while students escaped through a classroom window.

Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b1555]

Wow, that is incredible. RIP indeed.

elstatec 04-18-2007 07:17 PM

check out this of him, looks straight out of resident evil

[img]http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070418/070418_vatech_shooterSTILL.hmedium.jpg[/img]

edit oh shit and a video of him

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

Tripper 04-18-2007 07:23 PM

[url:db112]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266683,00.html[/url:db112]

Apparently there were several indications he was threatening and capable. After reading that I just cannot understand how someone like him was allowed to purchase a gun.


Some key points:

[quote:db112]State police, meanwhile, revealed that in December 2005, Cho was declared "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" and posed "an imminent danger," according to a temporary detention order issued by a Virginia district court.

In November and December 2005, two women complained to campus police that they had received calls and computer messages from Cho, but they considered the messages "annoying," not threatening, and neither pressed charges, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Around the same time, one of Cho's professors informally shared some concerns about the young man's writings, but no official report was filed, Flinchum said.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Court documents show that on Dec. 13, 2005, a Montgomery County District Court judge ordered Cho undergo mental evaluation at Carilion St. Albans Hospital.

The judge issued an order temporary detention order on the grounds that Cho was "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization, and presents an imminent danger to self or others as mental illness, or is seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for self, and is incapable of volunteering or unwilling to volunteer for treatment."[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]The disclosures about Cho's past run-ins with authorities added to the rapidly growing list of warning signs that appeared well before 23-year-old student Cho went on his rampage. Among other things, Cho's twisted, violence-filled writings and sullen, vacant-eyed demeanor had disturbed professors and students so much that he was removed from one English class and was repeatedly urged to get counseling.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Professors and classmates were alarmed by his class writings — pages filled with twisted, violence-drenched writing.

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN.

"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness — I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people — it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."

Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, after threatening to quit if he wasn't removed.

Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that. She said she tried to get him into counseling in late 2005 but he always refused.

"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."

Roy also said she arranged to use a code word with her assistant to call police if she ever felt threatened by Cho, but she said she never used it.[/quote:db112]

Unknown_Sniper 04-18-2007 08:09 PM

what now sparks?

elstatec 04-18-2007 08:29 PM

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":b43a8]
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Originally Posted by Stammer
[url=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261765:b43a8]Heroic Professor at VT[/url:b43a8]
[quote:b43a8]A 76-year-old professor and Holocaust survivor was hailed as a hero after his students recounted how he saved about 20 people in Monday's US school shooting before being gunned down himself.

Liviu Librescu, a senior researcher and lecturer at Virginia Tech University, blocked the classroom door when he heard shooting and continued to hold the gunman at bay while students escaped through a classroom window.

Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b43a8]

Wow, that is incredible. RIP indeed.[/quote:b43a8]

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