Retard

Anyway, if you think you can tax the shit out of ammo, go for it. Alot of shooters reload their own stuff, plus military surplus ammo can be found anywhere for cheap.

33 people wouldn't have been killed if the guy wasn't a psycho. It's a moot point man. Just because you don't like guns, or don't believe guns should be in the hands of civilians doesn't mean that everyone that carries them or has them is evil.

It all boils down to security at the schools. I think there should be armed guards on all campuses.

but a gun killed these people, not just the fucked up mind of some lunatic.

Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b24e0]
I know somebody who knows one of the students that escaped because of him and saw it happen, its just terrible...

Virginia has the most lax gun laws in the country, in case you all wanted to know.

Milla i bet you're glad you bought your USP, guarenteed that your state is going to get shit on by a mountain of gun laws. calmdown:

did you just try and reference a stand up comedian?

I believe Chris Rock stated bullets should cost 5,000 USD

ZING

Why dont you just fuck off before I refinance your home equity loan

Exactly. You can't say if guns were banned he wouldn't have been able to kill 33 people. And let's not forget that the deadliest school massacre (VT wasn't it, by the way) didn't involve a single firearm.

[url:22b80]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster[/url:22b80]

Not that it cheapens what happened in Virginia in any way.....I'm just trying to illustrate Milla's point that if someone decides to create such carnage, they will regardless of what is done to try and stop them. All you can do is try to mitigate the damage.

Wrong. A gun was USED to kill those people, not the gun itself. The gun couldn't fire itself, it needed a lunitic to point it at someone and pull the trigger.

Whenever something like this happens, people scream gun control. Well, the way i see it, gun control helped make this situation happen. How you ask? Well, you may argue that he had access to buying a gun legally. Yes, that is correct. Nothing was in his background to prove otherwise. Up until he killed his 1st victim, he didn't do anything to prevent himself from getting a gun legally.

http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadet ... ID=1702625

The above link is why i feel gun control had an impact on yesterdays tragedy. If someone other than the shooter was armed, perhaps this never happens.

All you people can say what you will and monday quarterback it to death...all i know is, i always have a means to protect myself...always.

i once wrote a story about a pipe bomb and planes and shits back in 6th grade. They took me out of class (lol) and i tried to explain to them that it wasn't my intention to do that AT ALL. I said "im black dammit", we dont know how to make no damn bombs bitch! " They left me alone after that


nah i was joking about that last part but that actually happened. I kinda laughed at some of the story dude wrote btw..

hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":b6871]hmm gun control really worked well for japan today as well
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6565885.stm[/url]
Mayor of Nagasaki was shot dead in broad daylight[/quote:b6871]

Gun control had nothing to do with that.

If someone wants to kill a public official, without evidence noone can really stop them unless they're ready for it. Had he killed more than one person maybe I'd agree with you....but even if you had a weapon in that situation - how are you going to know where to shoot in time before the faceless criminal gets his one and only killshot off?

that was exactly my point. Gun control cant stop shooting from happening.

dude actually shot a total of 52 ppl 32 dead/19 wounded correct?

Around that number. I heard 20+ were injured.

thats insane

My comparison on L.H.O. wasn't on identification of shooters, thanks for quoting me out of context.

We don't know if Cho did it for himself, can anyone really say they knew what was going on in the mind of Cho as a young child, or five years ago, or five months ago, or five minutes before the first shooting.

Just because he wrote a few very harsh papers symbolizing hatred towards a father figure and a teacher figure doesn't really provide substational evidence to say we know what was going on inside his head.

I'm might be going out on a limb here, but I'm sure people say such harsh things too in journals/diaries. Should we go report them because their a shady figure and we snooped around their items? Where does the right to privacy come into play. I took a screen writing class and some kids wrote horrible stuff on girlfriend/boyfriend situations which involved mutilation and retaliation, some of those kids were shady figures too (shy and kept to themselves). Aside from it being a creative writing class, shouldn't they also feel that sense of privacy when writing stuff.

I wonder if Cho's family wanted those papers given to the media, or if the school violated his privacy rights and gave them out. Granted this is involving state and federal investigation, does the public really need to see those things word for word? Or are we part of a guinea pig scheme to take and swallow what's given to us without question.

If he being a nice guy or not is irrelevant, why bother to judge him? Why bother to post his English papers? As you said, he murdered innocent people, that's all we as the general public need to know.

As I said before, only the families of the victims will get a more in-depth knowledge of what went down.

Some one watched chris rock, inflate the bullets lol.

We don't know if Cho did it for himself, can anyone really say they knew what was going on in the mind of Cho as a young child, or five years ago, or five months ago, or five minutes before the first shooting.
What do you mean by "did it for himself?" Like I said, its the first day since, the pieces of the puzzle are still being put together....They said that stuff about the english paper because its true - Its obviously from the mind of a troubled youth. The fact that most of these same sorts of kids involved with spree killings are engaging in the very same behaviour....and dont tell me you ever wrote a story as fucked up as that, with all the expletives etc and ever handed it in to a teacher. That alone is cause for concern.

Just because he wrote a few very harsh papers symbolizing hatred towards a father figure and a teacher figure doesn't really provide substational evidence to say we know what was going on inside his head.
Thats just it, no-ones claiming they know whats going on in his head - people are trying to figure it out, so they can prevent it from happening again.

I'm might be going out on a limb here, but I'm sure people say such harsh things too in journals/diaries. Should we go report them because their a shady figure and we snooped around their items? Where does the right to privacy come into play.What are you talking about privacy? They were for his english class. You hand it in to get marked and your writing is being assesed by someone - its no longer a private thing. MAYBE I'd understand if it were from his private collection that were only for him - But even then - The guy is dead, who gives a fuck if the paper is released and judged? He's dead. Not only that but he killed 32 people - Its kind of pathetic to even give a fuck about honoring the true soul of a dead spree killer.

I wonder if Cho's family wanted those papers given to the media, or if the school violated his privacy rights and gave them out. Granted this is involving state and federal investigation, does the public really need to see those things word for word? Or are we part of a guinea pig scheme to take and swallow what's given to us without question.
Like I said, who gives a fuck about his privacy. This is not the case to launch your conspiracy theorie about the media from...Try something a little less open and shut.

If he being a nice guy or not is irrelevant, why bother to judge him? Why bother to post his English papers? As you said, he murdered innocent people, that's all we as the general public need to know.
To pick out the obvious symptoms of a potential spree-killer - like that english paper, so that people can try to rationalize with whats happening - and try to make sense of why someone would do something like that. Nobody knows for sure why this is happening, not even the media, thats why they use the paper as a talking point. Everybody just wants answers.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":8418a]that was exactly my point. Gun control cant stop shooting from happening.[/quote:8418a]

I don't think anyone is saying that - but if you compare japanese gun homicide statistics with the U.S's I think you'd see why your point doesn't work.

You actually said that; why would you say it and then rip on me for repeating it in a different context on how no one can be sure he did it for himself, you're losing continuity in your posts and degrading your coherency.

My screen play was actually about a fantasy story with kids, so I didn't need violence in mine. But you're going to tell me there's not at least 50 other kids in the entire USA alone who write stuff like that?

There are such things as student-teacher confidentiality and usually ranges in different forms for schools, but it's typically more or less the same rules regarding written or oral communication/work/stats/etc... being kept between the school and student. People are pretty anal about it too. But again, you're losing continuity by saying it's ok that info is made public even though you earlier said him being crazy or not doesn't really matter.

I'm not even launching conspiracy theories against the media. All I'm saying is that we'll [the general public] never know the truth of what happened at VT or the prior life on Cho.

No one can really prevent school massacres. The Columbine incident was supposedly because they got picked on. VT incident was supposedly because of a girlfriend issue. I don't see the connections or patterns in motives there to prevent future incidents. Journals/notes/home-recordings are usually only found after the incidents.

If you surf online blogs, I'm sure you'll find a handful of posts that talk about having a bad day at school/work and wanting to blow it up or take out a teacher/coworker, they may vary to different degrees, but that does warrant a need to call the fuzz and have them taken in for interrogations? Granted they may not be as bad as Cho's writings, but who's to say by brushing it off it may later turn into something big? Apparently that was the case with Cho from an interview with his English tutor/teacher.

Your last point was valid, so I concur with you there.

wow, this is totally and utterly pointless--Sparks, you are an idiot. You claim that people are distorting the shooters motivation saying that "we can't know his real causes because nobody actually knew him" yet you suggest alternate motivations with no evidence.

This was a tragic incident that shouldn't have happened. The school officials should have canceled class and locked down the school after the FIRST shooting. We can say all we want about who or what is to blame, but in the end, it doesn't matter; people will always do evil things whether they can buy guns illegally or not, the most we can do is to try to raise people in our society to be able to cope with bad things happening to them and to treat people who aren't capable of doing so.

Yup, plus the lock down on campus thing, there should of been a general warning over a loud speaker system, but its literally like trying to lock down a small city, 25,000 people aren't going to get the message.

I heard their swipe access to dorms goes off sometime around 7am and goes back on at 6pm, that's odd to not leave it on 24/7.

At our school there is swipe access to just about everything except classrooms, and they're always active 24/7. And for dorms, you need someone to sign you in so you get a special swipe access card if you don't live at that specific dorm.

I guess we have a pretty tight security system, too tight sometimes that people hate it. I don't have classes Monday, but when I went to class today downtown Chicago and the other campus north of Chicago, they had cops swarming around patrolling both campuses. The swipe access at our school is already like wearing a tight underwear, the security needs to calmdown: .

If something like that went down at our school, they'd be able to conceal the person right away in one room if he was in a swipe access room by locking it. And they'd be able to know right away who was in there.

Plus our cards only work at certain buildings, like I'm a game design major so my card only works at the computer school and its labs, I can't swipe into the music school and other field of study school buildings.

seems that most of these spontaneous spree-shooters don't even have a previous criminal record,
they may be moody bitches but usually at least appear to be law-abiding, however when these
people do snap for whatever reason, there's usually one thing that will assure they can instantly
and easily go to the top of the list of criminal acts, and that's a legal gun.

Stupid bitch keeps talking about the wind gusts in the cnn vid, she trying to get the meterologist position?

That's terrible. I've never heard of that many deaths in a school shooting.

[quote:dc6bf]No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know? [/quote:dc6bf]

I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.

[quote="Chronic Diarrhea":107e8][quote:107e8]No one can really prevent school massacres.
How do you know? [/quote:107e8]

I'll agree on that one. You can do anything you want, as long as you're willing to pay the price. You can't stop a suicide bomber who walks incognito in a marketplace or cafe. You can't even really stop somebody from killing the President, when you're dealing with people who are willing to pay the price.[/quote:107e8]

I disagree - Its a pretty generalized statement to make...Its true you cant stop all, but considering that school shootings are part of an 'epidemic' in modern culture - There may be a way to eventually move-on from these events being commonplace, but until then it is still possible to prevent school massacres, and plenty have been foiled....There is a typical detectable behaviour associated with a school spree killer:

[quote:107e8]A thorough study of all U.S. school shootings by the U.S. Secret Service warned against the belief that a certain "type" of student would be a perpetrator. Any "profile" would fit too many students to be useful and may not fit the potential perpetrators. Some lived with both parents in 'an ideal, All-American family.' Some were children of divorce, or lived in foster homes. A few were loners, but most had close friends.

While it may be simplistic to assume a straightforward "profile", the study did find certain similarities among the perpetrators. "The researchers found that killers do not 'snap'. They plan. They acquire weapons. They tell others what they are planning. These children take a long, considered, public path toward violence."[1] Princeton's Katherine Newman points out that, far from being "loners", the perpetrators are "joiners" whose attempts at social integration fail, that they let their thinking and even their plans be known, sometimes frequently over long periods of times. The shootings seem as though an attempt to adjust their social standing and image, from "loser" to "master of violence."

Many of the kid killers told Secret Service investigators that feelings of alienation or persecution drove them to violence. Instead of looking for traits, the Secret Service urges adults to ask about behavior: "What has this child said? Do they have grievances? What do their friends know? Do they have access to weapons? Are they depressed or despondent?"[/quote:107e8]

[url:107e8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres[/url:107e8]

....On that page there is a list of at least 20 foiled plots, so dont tell me you cant prevent this from happening.

Are the arrested kids charged as adults? Or do they see a shrink, do some community service, and they're free to try again at a later point in time?

This can get into that whole idea of what Phillip K. Dick wrote in his book "Minority Report".
How do we know these kids really, truly, 100% sure were going to carry it out aside from them having plans at home, having access to a gun, or just writing about in online.

http://www.xanga.com/oboe7Jesusfreak/19 ... /item.html
http://www.xanga.com/ChRiStInE_hearts_y ... huh-d.html

Those two sites mention wanting to kill teachers... are we going to see them up there on the foiled lists?

You don't have an argument anymore. Stop trying so hard to be right, that's why we're arguing a totally different topic now.
Not only that but every point in your post is based on huge negative assumptions...

Seriously, what's worse - A kid going to counseling because of troubling images, to be analyzed - Or 30 kids dead?

What do you suggest? Just let this kind of thing happen?

if you havent heard. NBC received a package from Cho that he sent between the two killings. It basically proves this is entirely premeditated.
Supposedly one of the things in the package was a video of his first murder.

Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b1555]

Wow, that is incredible. RIP indeed.

check out this of him, looks straight out of resident evil

[img]http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070418/070418_vatech_shooterSTILL.hmedium.jpg[/img]

edit oh shit and a video of him

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/

[url:db112]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266683,00.html[/url:db112]

Apparently there were several indications he was threatening and capable. After reading that I just cannot understand how someone like him was allowed to purchase a gun.


Some key points:

[quote:db112]State police, meanwhile, revealed that in December 2005, Cho was declared "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" and posed "an imminent danger," according to a temporary detention order issued by a Virginia district court.

In November and December 2005, two women complained to campus police that they had received calls and computer messages from Cho, but they considered the messages "annoying," not threatening, and neither pressed charges, Virginia Tech Police Chief Wendell Flinchum said.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Around the same time, one of Cho's professors informally shared some concerns about the young man's writings, but no official report was filed, Flinchum said.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Court documents show that on Dec. 13, 2005, a Montgomery County District Court judge ordered Cho undergo mental evaluation at Carilion St. Albans Hospital.

The judge issued an order temporary detention order on the grounds that Cho was "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization, and presents an imminent danger to self or others as mental illness, or is seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unable to care for self, and is incapable of volunteering or unwilling to volunteer for treatment."[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]The disclosures about Cho's past run-ins with authorities added to the rapidly growing list of warning signs that appeared well before 23-year-old student Cho went on his rampage. Among other things, Cho's twisted, violence-filled writings and sullen, vacant-eyed demeanor had disturbed professors and students so much that he was removed from one English class and was repeatedly urged to get counseling.[/quote:db112]

[quote:db112]Professors and classmates were alarmed by his class writings — pages filled with twisted, violence-drenched writing.

"It was not bad poetry. It was intimidating," poet Nikki Giovanni, one of his professors, told CNN.

"I know we're talking about a youngster, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings," she said. "There was something mean about this boy. It was the meanness — I've taught troubled youngsters and crazy people — it was the meanness that bothered me. It was a really mean streak."

Giovanni said her students were so unnerved by Cho's behavior, including taking pictures of them with his cell phone, that some stopped coming to class and she had security check on her room. She eventually had him taken out of her class, after threatening to quit if he wasn't removed.

Lucinda Roy, a co-director of creative writing at Virginia Tech, said she tutored Cho after that. She said she tried to get him into counseling in late 2005 but he always refused.

"He was so distant and so lonely," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" Wednesday. "It was almost like talking to a hole, as though he wasn't there most of the time. He wore sunglasses and his hat very low so it was hard to see his face."

Roy also said she arranged to use a code word with her assistant to call police if she ever felt threatened by Cho, but she said she never used it.[/quote:db112]

what now sparks?

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":b43a8]Killed on Holocaust remembrance day. Talk about a tragic irony.

Rest in peace.[/quote:b43a8]

Wow, that is incredible. RIP indeed.[/quote:b43a8]

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