I've had some pretty horrible nightmares that weren't so peaceful, imagine an eternity of those.

But don't worry its appointed for men to only die once and then the Judgement. cry:

Going by sins and like getting into Heaven....I am sure every man who has a penis should be going to hell

I'm sure everyone has done something with there penis either before they should or like it is not allowed anyway

So exactly how good do you have to be to get into Heaven, I'm sure even the Pope did something that was a sin

Well, in Church today. The priest said that all it takes is faith to get into Heaven. Nobody is sin-less.

I don't know you're going with the penis thing oOo: but actually we all should be going to hell, yet God in his mercy gave an escape through his only son, Jesus Christ. Jesus took God's wraith on himself so you won't have too. Christ took our beating for us so to speak, and now God sees his son's righteousnees instead of our wickedness when He looks at those of us who have accepted His gift of salvation.

Yes this truly is preaching, but you asked and it is Sunday. biggrin:

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":6aa5c]avoid sexual diseases .[/quote:6aa5c]

My ex girlfriend had trust in god and then she was raped by a junkie and now has HIV. what a lot of good the bible did there.

other things to consider
 

when you look at other religions from around the world, including those that are not around any more, you realize the Judaic-Christian-Islamic religion is not any different or any more unique at all. Why is it that all those other religions are mistaken or wrong or fake but this one (take your pick, Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is the right one, the only one that is real? The creation myths, the moral lists of do's and don'ts , the justification for conquering and slaughtering other humans who are different - just like all the other religions.

All of them are ancient and, in most cases, are simply a matter of primitive, ignorant, superstitious people taking their particular fears, morals, prejudices and ideals and putting them into structures and books and backing it up by saying “God said so!”. Religions are typically based on two things: the fear of death and what happens to you after, if anything, and the need to control the primitive impulses left over from the days before agriculture and sedimentary societies evolved. If you can't control them society falls apart. But they were hard to control and having Gods invented to back up various law givers helped sacare people into complying.

These impulses include killing each other for personal gain or out of primitive rage, relying on brute force to determine who runs local groups, and the need to contain and control the sexual impulse so that large groups of people can co-exist without being preyed upon by others, and children can have longer periods of mental development before they start to have their own kids - not to mention the male desire to know his kids are HIS so they also invented the whole thing about only sleeping with the one man you were sold to as a wife.

The other aspects of the major religions such as philosophy and so-called spiritual enlightenment don’t actually have anything to do with believing in mythical deities, or not. The same goes for morality. Without question the most truly moral and least hypocritical humans I have ever encountered were either atheist, such as Carl Sagan and Stephen Gould, or they were pantheist types like Joseph Cambell. Their immense compassion for the welfare of all humans, and in most cases, all living things, completely outweighs any so-called saint.

Many of those Christian saints burned women to death or promoted the act, simply because they were female – not unlike what we now condemn happening in the more backward Islamic countries like Afghanistan. Organized religion retarded the true enlightenment and progress of the human race, by at least 1,000 years in the West during the Dark Ages, and for similar periods of time in China and the Middle East. It is ironic that Islamic scholars were so far ahead of Europe in terms of medicine and science and free expression of thought and ideas during the middle ages, but are now so far behind it today.

People say truth is objective, but actually it is not. Only perspective is relative. Either the person now referred to as Jesus (no actual historical evidence he even existed in real life) was the living God walking the earth, or he was not. He was either the son of God, or he was not. Either this is the only place with life in the entire Universe, or it is not. In nature, Gold is only made in the heart of super-heated stars, or it is not. Only one is true, the other is not.

Here is a true fact: Every atom in your body (except some of the hydrogen and traces of a few other elements) was made in a star – billions of stars, millions of years ago. In fact, every atom making up the world you live in was made inside of stars, that is where atoms heavier than the first few come from.

For me that fact is more awe inspiring and makes me feel more at one with the cosmos than anything man-made religion can come up with.

Does that mean there is no God or otherwise intelligent force at work in the Universe? Nope. But when you really look at what the people believed who came up with the Bible or the Sanskrit, etc. (demons living in the air cause the common cold, drought is caused when God is punishing you, being as naturally sexual as all advanced primates are is wrong or bad or perverted – when the only perverse thing about sex comes from people thinking it is perverted and warping themselves and their children with such beliefs – lighting is God killing people who were bad, the Earth is flat and the center of the universe and the planets and stars go around it, our collective memory only goes back a few centuries before writing was invented so that must be as far back as the world and we go) one must ask if they were so wrong about so much, what makes you feel they were right about ANYTHING?

If there is anything like a real God, no human religion has a exclusive admission to that god or inspired by that god beyond a desire to claim that exclusive connection and somehow try to understand the unknowable.

[quote="Captain Bunny":d44ea][quote="*MoG*Quartus":d44ea]avoid sexual diseases .[/quote:d44ea]

My ex girlfriend had trust in god and then she was raped by a junkie and now has HIV. what a lot of good the bible did there.[/quote:d44ea]


I'm truly sorry about your ex, we do live in a evil fallen world.
However I meant events within your direct control.

Good & bad things happen to everyone, God does have an adversary that hates both Christians and everyone else, even those who worship him.

Re: other things to consider
 

[quote="Die Fledermaus Home":45f76]when you look at other religions from around the world, including those that are not around any more, you realize the Judaic-Christian religion is not any different or any more unique at all. [/quote:45f76]

The difference is that Jesus conquered death, no one else has. Jesus was killed, entombed and returned to life. He had living witnesses at the time that were murdered because they could not deny what they knew to be true. What they had seen with thier eyes and touched with thier hands. That is a true fact (and documented by the secular historian Josephus).

Noone was there when all our atoms were spewed out of stars millions of years ago. That is called a theory.

[quote="Captain Bunny":7309a][quote="*MoG*Quartus":7309a]avoid sexual diseases .[/quote:7309a]

My ex girlfriend had trust in god and then she was raped by a junkie and now has HIV. what a lot of good the bible did there.[/quote:7309a]

This kind of shit happens in the world.....and we were supposed to live by some book which is supposed to prevent this......I still don't think ow she was supposed to stop it....but hey this book was supposed to hold that answer, guess it didn't

The books answer all important questions....yaaa.....riiiiiiggggghhhhhht

I love relgious debates, but I do try and avoid them. :)

My question...

The Bible was written by man, whether or not it was inspired by God. Man is fallible. Therefore so is the Bible.

I'd also like to add that I don't believe faith is a choice. One cannot wake up one morning and suddenly choose to believe in God.

I think religion (i.e. Christianity, Islam etc) is for the weak - and no offense to those who subscribe to it, but it is just the way I feel. It is cop-out. It takes more strength, more will, more faith to believe in nothing than it does to believe in a God. But that isn't to say the religion is a "bad-thing". Quite the opposite. It gives meaning to those who follow it and after all, if that keeps them going, what does it matter whether you believe they're wrong (except where it is used as an abusive tool)?

I'm an agnostic, by the way, so I don't dismiss the Bible outright, but I certainly do not care for it. In my eyes it is very likely a story that has been embelished over the years derived from something quite simple.

The bible is a load of billshit like the rest of the religious documents. god is in your head because no-one knows how we got here or why we are here, it is beyond our comprehension.
Man created god, man believes in god, man fights over god, god laughs at man! Now all man has to do is piss god off so we can all live peacefully instead of having wars. The only good thing "god" has done is get people to fight over him and therefore hitler hated jews which started ww2 and therefore mohaa could be created!!

Wooble McShambles, from billmotown walked into a moving car and was smashed fire2: angel: M16:

You're all going to hell cry:

A little man walked down a hill....and to his amazement saw... swordfight:

Dude ! I see it too ! GO BLACK MAN !!

Swish, voom ! Hihihihi

*makes more lightsabre noises*

Dude ! I see it too ! GO BLACK MAN !!

Swish, voom ! Hihihihi

*makes more lightsabre noises*

Really, nursed on hollywood & MTV and weaned on public school, its no wonder you think the way these posts read. You must reallly believe man is the ultimate authority on himself and whatever you "feel" is right has to be right. This attitude would explain the moral decay in this county because there are no morals anymore.

You have no standards to live by except what you see in a movie or video, it is pathetic. These posts are just an echo of what hollywood and public school has brainwashed you with and you have swallowed the lies eagerly. You call good evil and evil good, for some, bitterness rules thier lives.

Don't worry this is my last post in this forum because few of you actually have anything to say, you just parrot what someone else told you.

The truly sad thing is if I was quoting from buddist, hindu or any other scripture BUT the Bible you would be raving about how great it is. To be deceived is a very scary thing.

Enjoy the other superficial topics where you don't have to examine yourselves or to think or to post any meaningful dialog.

PS GET A DICTIONARY, because most of you can't spell, probably failing middle school. oOo:

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":73d22]Really, nursed on hollywood & MTV and weaned on public school, its no wonder you think the way these posts read. You must reallly believe man is the ultimate authority on himself and whatever you "feel" is right has to be right. This attitude would explain the moral decay in this county because there are no morals anymore.

You have no standards to live by except what you see in a movie or video, it is pathetic. These posts are just an echo of what hollywood and public school has brainwashed you with and you have swallowed the lies eagerly. You call good evil and evil good, for some, bitterness rules thier lives.

Don't worry this is my last post in this forum because few of you actually have anything to say, you just parrot what someone else told you.

The truly sad thing is if I was quoting from buddist, hindu or any other scripture BUT the Bible you would be raving about how great it is. To be deceived is a very scary thing.

Enjoy the other superficial topics where you don't have to examine yourselves or to think or to post any meaningful dialog.

PS GET A DICTIONARY, because most of you can't spell, probably failing middle school. oOo:[/quote:73d22]

Well flim flam floobles, do you come on the boards just to fucking preach shit to us!

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":d6098]Really, nursed on hollywood & MTV and weaned on public school, its no wonder you think the way these posts read. You must reallly believe man is the ultimate authority on himself and whatever you "feel" is right has to be right. This attitude would explain the moral decay in this county because there are no morals anymore.

You have no standards to live by except what you see in a movie or video, it is pathetic. These posts are just an echo of what hollywood and public school has brainwashed you with and you have swallowed the lies eagerly. You call good evil and evil good, for some, bitterness rules thier lives.

Don't worry this is my last post in this forum because few of you actually have anything to say, you just parrot what someone else told you.

The truly sad thing is if I was quoting from buddist, hindu or any other scripture BUT the Bible you would be raving about how great it is. To be deceived is a very scary thing.

Enjoy the other superficial topics where you don't have to examine yourselves or to think or to post any meaningful dialog.

PS GET A DICTIONARY, because most of you can't spell, probably failing middle school. oOo:[/quote:d6098]

Laughable.

Look my pseudo-intellectual friend, YOU are the one who could NEVER give
me a straight, honest answer: you would simply quote the fucking bible as if
it was the supreme authority. I have news for you: it was written by men.
PERIOD. It isn't sacred, got that ? I'm actually quite happy to hear of your
departure; it means we won't have to see you pathetically quote the book
in every single one of your failed retorts.

Do yourself a favor and explore alternative spiritual venues...

[quote="*MoG*Quartus":10415].
"brainwashed you with and you have swallowed the lies eagerly".

"you just parrot what someone else told you".

"To be deceived is a very scary thing."

l. oOo:[/quote:10415]

If *MoG*Quartus would have applied this three lines to himself, as well, then I'd be impressed. I for one will miss stopping by this this thread, I don't agree with him on alot of points. But I was quite impressed that he stopped quoting the Bible and using his own words. I'm sure he will find another forum to haunt for a few weekends.

MoG*Quartus

I have no problem with you posting your thoughts, or even "preaching" in a sense, but you do seem to ignore peoples' questions. Apart from a few forum goers, the majority here aren't out to bash your beliefs, but simply question them (I even agree with some of your comments, although I'm not a religious man). I can appreciate it may be frustrating communicating your ideas when so many do not subscribe to them, but try and act in a more restraint manner. :)

I had a long conversation with my friend about this and used most of the shit you people said.....the funny thing was he has some of the stupidest answers to all my claims

anyways...beliviling in god is fine.....but it seems no religious person is ever open to anyone elses opinions, it seems whatever they believe HAS to be right.....no wonder we have religious wars