Actually, the brits had liberty and freedom 500 years before your damned countries even existed so eat kaka angel:


http://www.bl.uk/collections/treasures/magna.html

Heres a lil something called the Magna Carta

We also had the glorious revolution of 1688 to restore Parliamentary control, another 100 years before you..

And before this the Greeks and Romans had republics and freedom so actually the yanks arent the first to invent freedom and liberty.

But then I spose people can have different ideas on what freedom and liberty actually are..

hell yes! thats the America I love!

oh and think about this for a second. Remember David Koresh? He had hundreds beleiving that he was their god just by using simple techniques and scams. Now...not that I beleive this, but who is to say, that a couple thousand years ago , some guy didnt decide to write a book. He wrote about great warriors and saviors. When he was done with his book he read it aloud. people heard it and took it for the truth. eventually thus "truth" spread throughout nations. The book that this man wrote is now named "The Bible" and people say its the story of their creator. how does this , essentially, differ from the way Mr. Koresh, the sad sick sadistic psycho, brainwashed and fooled the people he led?

remember, humankind is known for its longing for hope and explanation. back in the day science wasnt the same as it is now. people would have been a lot easier to be convinced of a story like this. Especially if it gave any explanation of the biggest questions on the minds of the people.

Wow.

From free will / determinism to US history.

ROFL...

HAHA! yeah, that seems to happen alot around here.

im sorry for my ways i offer my mouth to thiose whoses shaft needs a clean - so drunk!

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":96d76]Actually, the brits had liberty and freedom 500 years before your damned countries even existed so eat kaka angel:


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Yeah and were still waiting. mad:

the wait will take a whield just keep i gota go to sleep gervis stop posting cause i feel the need to rwply!

Gervis.... eek:

He's "drunk" let it slide, my sheep-molesting leprechaun.

Ok you semi azn pigfucking midget. biggrin:

LOL! GG, you are a winnar!

Haha, I'm such a loser.

BTW, I have a baaad fucking headache. I don't think I'll ever do that again.

[quote:95753]Im basing that statement on the fact that the decleration of independence, the document for which your country foundered itself, is just a foolish contradictory document.
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[quote:95753]foolish contradictory document. [/quote:95753]

Tripper, this is the statement that you posted that started this whole thing.

Ever heard of amendments?? Probably not. So maybe go research our history a little more before you start calling our document that our government is based on a "foolish contradictory document".

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Spooge, here is what I meant to say in that sentence you quouted me off of:

[quote:95753]First off, our country was founded on the Articles of Confederation, which didn't work out well and then we established the Constitution[/quote:95753]

First off, the BRITS didnt have "freedom"...they didn't have slavery but Religious persocution. Either way, naysayers were fucked either way you sliced it.

As far as the bible is concerned - it's a COLLECTION not a single book written. And much of it echoes throughout history as well -

Dr deleto makes an excellent observation that all have seemed to ignore. He is thinking the same way i do. neither of us are saying it the definate truth or not, but we keep our options open.
The bible was afterall written by man (or woman, - you never know).
Should we all automatically assume that the bible speaks the truth. Should we then assume that Tolkien was writing about real things, and hobbits really did run around the place?
We wouldnt these days because we are a bit more intellegient and free thinking, but in the olden days, anyone who came up with theory was a very clever person.
i cant remember the guys name, but he came up with the theory that the sun revolves around the earth, and everyone was like ohh well done! a theory! he was of course wrong about that.
But these days, if you come up with a theory, people will say "prove it".
So someone writes this bible, a book of hope, and a guide to life. no tv and very little entertainment 2000 years ago, people would be well impressed by this book. So much so that they center their lives around it, and the rest is history.
Over time, the bible has been rewritten by different people, i think even a king of england wrote the bible too, and beleive have doubted the plausability of the bible that they have chosen to think its BS, like i have. Virgin birth? give me a break.
2003 years ago its possible to have a virgin birth but in the year 2003, noone will beleive realien cloned a baby until they show some evidence.
Times have changed, as argued here, slavery is now considered wrong, where as in its day, it was common thing, just accepted - until someone thought, "hmm this is wrong"
I dont know why or how we are here, and to be honest i would lose more sleep wondering why buses never run on time.