[quote=CoMaToSe]argh! damn canadians, stay out of our affairs. you wannabes dont know shit. the fact on the election is that gore couldn't win no matter how he sliced the votes in florida, he always lost the popular vote. the supreme court eventually had to draw the line on how many recounts would be allowed. micheal moore is, in a short form, full of shit. the people in this fuckin continent are stupid enough to eat his stuff like gospel. please tell me canadians are slightly smarter.[/quote:c1de3]

1. Gore won the popular vote by a pretty large number.

2. More people eat the shit the right wing media puts out and the shit Bush puts out so we can say the same to you.

3. Ill say it once ill say it again, We will never stay out o your affairs because we are attached at the hip to you. What you do effects us greatly. So we will not stand idly by and just let ours selves be shit upon, by flag wavers such as yourself.

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1. Gore won the popular vote by a pretty large number.

2. More people eat the shit the right wing media puts out and the shit Bush puts out so we can say the same to you.

3. Ill say it once ill say it again, We will never stay out o your affairs because we are attached at the hip to you. What you do effects us greatly. So we will not stand idly by and just let ours selves be shit upon, by flag wavers such as yourself.[/quote:1231d]

1. that was 3 1/2 years ago...its over...can't be redone...no do-overs/tagbacks/mulligans in elections

2. right wing media such as? cnn? leans left. msnbc? leans left cnbc? leans way left. n/abcbs? about as useful for objectivity as the back of a shampoo bottle. so who does that leave? fox news, and um thats about it besides conservative radio talk show hosts (which are beating the pants off the liberal answer to limbaugh/hannity: air america) the fact of the matter is, left wingers have no answer to the problems facing America, they can only agree on getting Bush out of office, not just wanting him out but hating him with the passion that you obviously hate the man. Becuase they have the corner on the major media markets, its open season on Bush and how terrible of a President he is, you only need turn on cnn for ten minutes to get that impression. That being said, the Democrats are finding that aside from hating Bush, Kerry offers nothing new in the way of platform ideas besides the UN. At least with Bush, he doesn't sound like an arrogant prick as Kerry comes across.

3. I'm glad you are concerned with what is happening here but let's remember one thing. the conservatives who speak up on this forum do not represent every conservative in the US. I'm not trying to piss anyone off but the majority of us do not jump to personal attacks when their positions are challenged. I've had debates with you and I avoid attacking you personally at all costs because I don't know you. I respect your opinion and your right to give it and I only ask the same. Infantile responses have no place in a valid discussion and members of both sides who jump to the standard "please die (insert location and/or method of death here)" prove one of two things 1.) they are too lazy to pick apart the argument presented with facts or 2.) they have nothing with which to pick apart the argument presented.

I can agree to disagree with you short, I just ask that you respect my right to support Bush and maintain that he is doing a good job without being equated with the village idiot.

cheers

fuck this country is so fucked up ..im movin to europe where at least 3rd parties have a voice and are not controlled by a fuckin 2 party system. this is not democracy. it's evolved over time so people are taught there are only 2 parties. fuck this bullshit, all these arguments are pointless

[quote="Old Reliable":57d6b]fuck this country is so fucked up ..im movin to europe where at least 3rd parties have a voice and are not controlled by a fuckin 2 party system. this is not democracy. it's evolved over time so people are taught there are only 2 parties. fuck this bullshit, all these arguments are pointless[/quote:57d6b]


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that's the way you should go if you want to go to Europe.

how can you be satisifed with only two parties that don't even provide what they are supposed to?

with nader as the voice of the independant, i'm happy to stay with one of the big 2

[quote:c3534]1. Gore won the popular vote by a pretty large number.[/quote:c3534]

Then I'm afraid you dont understand the Electoral system. The reason the popular vote isnt used is because it would keep politicians out of states with low populations (much of central america) and California, New York, Washington and Texas would dominate politics, as well as dominating public policy. Liberal states would just vote for amendmants that ran contrary to the wishes of smaller states. Why is this important? Because inorder to establish the federal government, states - in good faith - gave up some rights and delegated them to the feds. The electoral college is the way it SHOULD be.

Besides, Gore won by 500,000 votes, a statistical tie. Thats NOT an overwhelming mandate.

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Besides, Gore won by 500,000 votes, a statistical tie. Thats NOT an overwhelming mandate.[/quote:e3350]

Could you explain that please?

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Besides, Gore won by 500,000 votes, a statistical tie. Thats NOT an overwhelming mandate.[/b][/color][/quote:118fa]

Could you explain that please?[/quote:118fa]

[color=violet][b]Oh certainly. I'll help you with your math: 543895 (more people voted for Gore)/105405100(total votes made) = .5% of total vote casters. Yes, overwhelmingly popular support.

[url="http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/prespop.htm"]http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/prespop.htm[/url][/b][/color]

Bush is the anti Christ. In fact liberals are on the side of good and conservatives are evil. Armageddon will start in the Middle East. Let’s pray it’s soon so I can take my position of power. And If you ever crossed me I wont be PC on your ass.

Old is right. How can it be a democracy if only the two parties with all the money get a chance to get their voices heard?

[url:05bdc]http://www.howardstern.com/bush.html[/url:05bdc]

waits for the Howard Stern flames

[quote="Old Reliable":533de]fuck this country is so fucked up ..im movin to europe where at least 3rd parties have a voice and are not controlled by a fuckin 2 party system. this is not democracy. it's evolved over time so people are taught there are only 2 parties. fuck this bullshit, all these arguments are pointless[/quote:533de]

Good point. In George Washington's farewell address, he said we shouldn't have political parties. If only we listened to them. Now, about europe? oOo:

[quote="Old Reliable":3c08a]fuck this country is so fucked up ..im movin to europe where at least 3rd parties have a voice and are not controlled by a fuckin 2 party system. this is not democracy. it's evolved over time so people are taught there are only 2 parties. fuck this bullshit, all these arguments are pointless[/quote:3c08a]

Have a nice flight...

[quote=Snuff]Have a nice flight...[/quote:de3bd]

LOL even that shit isnt guaranteed