I think everyone has the freedom to believe what they want, and called by Strik0r and Innoxx im a "Bible thumping Redneck" yes I am a christian and I do believe Jesus is God's son and was risen from the grave, but if you want to be an Athiest, go ahead. God didnt give us free will for nothing

its saying things like that that is wrong. You are saying that as if it is fact, when none of us can possibly know for sure.

its fact to me

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":8eb47]ok give me your proof that there is no other god. I dont want anything that you cannot prove wiht 100% actualy fact. no assumptions or biased oppinions. just truth[/quote:8eb47]

I look at it this way: Jesus is talked about in history books. History claims to have seen Jesus make miracles. No other prophet has been recorded as doing such things. History books also talk about Jesus's teachings of God and Christianity. Have I seen God? No. Can I prove our God is the only God? No. Do I have faith and accept my God as the only true God? Yes. Our religion teaches that you have to have faith in what you cannot see and have not experienced to gain trust with God.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":57147]The Crusades here not at all inspired by the Bible, but by evil men.
[/quote:57147]

So maybe the nastier elements of Islam might be because of evil men and not the teachings of the koran?

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":57147]When things like this happen in the Bible, it was for a reason, not just becuase they were philstines. Things like this happend becuase of sin, look at waht happend to Israel for some of the horrible sins they did[/quote:57147]

And so maybe some similar passages of the koran could possibly be misunderstood if taken out of context?

IMO the islamic militants have nothing to do with the religion. I am still not a fan of islam, and I think your view is a little extreme, but it would be pretty boring if we all thought the same.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":a3fad][quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":a3fad][quote="Unknown_Sniper":a3fad]god bless Morpheus.[/quote:a3fad]you cant say god ur atheist... eek:[/quote:a3fad]

Wrong you blind ignorant idiot. I can say god, I wont was God. There is a difference.And it is only a damn sayinig.

Duke you said this
[quote:a3fad]Aslo you see, I dont worshiop the same God as muslims, becuase the God I worshiop is real and is the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son, how can I be worshioping the same God when they donot believe Jesus is even His son? No, I worshiop the true God.[/quote:a3fad]

Can you disprove that their god is false? IF you cant then shut the hell up about your god being right. And stop trying to bash other religions. AS anti-religious as I am I stand up for those being hurt. And you are not showing the good side of your religion, so take a seat and stop embarassing yourself[/quote:a3fad]spammer....

Blitz, replying "spammer" and nothing else is spamming.

Unknown_sniper's post was not spamming.

I can see you two have a little hissy-fit contest going on here but I think I speak for the majority of the respected members on this board when I say that it's getting a little boring.

Please stop it, both of you. That's a polite request.

Ya Ill stop but posting one post twice is spamming especially when the post is long.............

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":aedbb]Ya Ill stop but posting one post twice is spamming especially when the post is long.............[/quote:aedbb]

Welcome to aa.com. It was not spamming, I can guarantee you that.

[quote=Ydiss] Welcome to aa.com. It was not spamming, I can guarantee you that.[/quote:f3c17]welcome?wtf?i know its a glitch it was meant to be a joke jeez...robot

Not quite sure how I was supposed to know it was a joke.

Ooo meow! handbags at dawn.

now that is spam freak:[/i]

You want proof of God, well here is some. Look at all the archaeoligical finds that have happend. Tablets have been found at Tell Mardikh and they talk abou Sodom and Gomoarrah. Others tell of the Hittites and the ruler Belshazzar. What about the Dead Sea scrolls, they are 1,000 years older than any other Bible writings in exsistance. These show that the Bible is actually accurate. Just loo at the Jewish people themselves, read Genisis chapter 12, God made Israel into a great nation, and blessed those who bleesed them, such as the U.S., and cursed those who cursed them, just look waht happend to Germany and Egypt.Check out all the prohecies Jesus fulfilled. ?Read Micah 5:2, and for John the Baptist Issiah 40:3. Look at ll the witnesses that saw Jesus rise from the dead, its recorded in History that he was crucified. Also, why would so many people die for seomthing thats not real? Im not talking about Muslims, who kill tthemselves with others so that they might go to Heaven,, no Im speaking of all the Christians that died for their faith, and trying to lead others to Christ. They didnt have to do this, but becuase they loved God so much, they gave their lives. You may not accept the evidence, you may know its true, but refuse to accept this. Im praying for you all who do not know Jesus that you may see the way to eternal life, and might accept Him.

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":7935f]You want proof of God, well here is some. Look at all the archaeoligical finds that have happend. Tablets have been found at Tell Mardikh and they talk abou Sodom and Gomoarrah. Others tell of the Hittites and the ruler Belshazzar. What about the Dead Sea scrolls, they are 1,000 years older than any other Bible writings in exsistance. These show that the Bible is actually accurate. Just loo at the Jewish people themselves, read Genisis chapter 12, God made Israel into a great nation, and blessed those who bleesed them, such as the U.S., and cursed those who cursed them, just look waht happend to Germany and Egypt.Check out all the prohecies Jesus fulfilled. ?Read Micah 5:2, and for John the Baptist Issiah 40:3. Look at ll the witnesses that saw Jesus rise from the dead, its recorded in History that he was crucified. Also, why would so many people die for seomthing thats not real? Im not talking about Muslims, who kill tthemselves with others so that they might go to Heaven,, no Im speaking of all the Christians that died for their faith, and trying to lead others to Christ. They didnt have to do this, but becuase they loved God so much, they gave their lives. You may not accept the evidence, you may know its true, but refuse to accept this. Im praying for you all who do not know Jesus that you may see the way to eternal life, and might accept Him.[/quote:7935f]

How is that proof of god? All that is, is proof of the bible's roots. If you think that tablets prove that god exists, then the Egyptian gods exists as well as several african gods. For all you know those tablets and scrolls could've been written by an insane person or even as a fiction story. And how exactly is Germany cursed? Germany is doing as well as any other European country. As for why people would die for something thats not real, there are two simple answers for that, 1. they believed in it so much that they became fanatical, or 2. a fanatic told them to do it. Both of those are reasons why so many believe that Islam is a violent religion. Fanatics are influencing many in that religion in the Middle East, because they live in poor conditions and need something to blame. There are christians that believe that we should kill all Jews (and some do) because they do not believe in Jesus, does that make Christianity a violent religion?

Really Duke you have no solid evidence. AS chango said you just proved every other ancient god exists. So what should I do know? worship the egyptian gods? the romans? greek? I mean im lost now....jeesh. GO figure. Your religion is just like every other religion out there. Man made and sold to the ignorant. This is why I will not buy into a religion. Unless I meet a super natural beaing face to face I wont worship any.

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":6bfb8]Unless I meet a super natural beaing face to face I wont worship any.[/quote:6bfb8]

By then, it might be too late.

Well if it turns out ot be liyke that....Id gladly shake its hand and say....Where hte hell have you been? earth is all fucked up we need you!

In my option religion is a way to maintaine order in a society, by a code of laws

Duke of Ray when is your cult meeting the space ship to talk to god?

Opinions,Opinions,Opinions...

n.Opinion-A belief based on what seems to be true or possible.

I'm talking to both sides... hake:

What the hell is your point?

[quote:f874c]What the hell is your point? [/quote:f874c]

Don't be so vain.

Don't be so vain.[/quote:d6895]

Im not im just wondering what he is trying to explain. I know what an oppinion is and Im stating mine.

Think hard...Very hard...
Maybe you'll get it.

BTW-I really wasn't talking to you anyway but i guess it can aply to you.

Woah! Woah!!!!

Easy there fella: careful with that " T " word around here...

You wouldn't want to be responsible for so many freak-outs!

biggrin:

Sorry, what's a better word...

everyone in a sense is agnostic
you can never truely know if there is or isnt a God. Guess you'll find out when you die...i cant wait biggrin:

[quote="CaP bUsTa":7dc01]everyone in a sense is agnostic
you can never truely know if there is or isnt a God. Guess you'll find out when you die...i cant wait biggrin: [/quote:7dc01]

duke knows, he just gave you the proof

[quote:d6df7]How is that proof of god? All that is, is proof of the bible's roots. If you think that tablets prove that god exists, then the Egyptian gods exists as well as several african gods. For all you know those tablets and scrolls could've been written by an insane person or even as a fiction story. And how exactly is Germany cursed? Germany is doing as well as any other European country. As for why people would die for something thats not real, there are two simple answers for that, 1. they believed in it so much that they became fanatical, or 2. a fanatic told them to do it. Both of those are reasons why so many believe that Islam is a violent religion. Fanatics are influencing many in that religion in the Middle East, because they live in poor conditions and need something to blame. There are christians that believe that we should kill all Jews (and some do) because they do not believe in Jesus, does that make Christianity a violent religion?
[/quote:d6df7]

Teh tablet tell of Sodom and Gomoarrah, its not some Bible tablet, but one that tell of the Hittites and mentions Sodom and Gomoarrah, why woulda tablet like this have something like that on it if it really didnt happen. Im not talking about how the African or Egyptian gods were written about, what did they ever do? They sure didnt do anything when God lead the Hebrews from Egypt. When I said look at Germany, I ment after World War 2, look at all that happend to them, so many dead destroyed cities. Also look at the other countries that has pursecuted the Jews throught history, they have not been any better off. So, you mean that as many people that died for Christ throught History were all nut jobs? You mean, that not one of them was sane? no, if they really died for Christ, they where not idiots or nuts, but people who loved the Lord enough to die for Him. If some nut job told thenm to go and be killed, then they were dieing for him, not Jesus. No, becuase the people who believe we should kill Jews are most likely not true Christians, and if they are the most be readinh the the new Nazi Niv. And the people who died for Jesus died trying to help others be lead to the word, not just to die. Did they want to die? I do not know, I know I dont, but I believe I would if I had to.

[quote:d6df7]everyone in a sense is agnostic
you can never truely know if there is or isnt a God. Guess you'll find out when you die...i cant wait[/quote:d6df7]

Yes, you can truly know there is a God if you accept Christ as your saviour.


[quote:d6df7]Really Duke you have no solid evidence. AS chango said you just proved every other ancient god exists. So what should I do know? worship the egyptian gods? the romans? greek? I mean im lost now....jeesh. GO figure. Your religion is just like every other religion out there. Man made and sold to the ignorant. This is why I will not buy into a religion. Unless I meet a super natural beaing face to face I wont worship any. [/quote:d6df7]

How can I prove the existance of no exsistant gods? There is but one God, and He is the Lord Almighty. Man made some relgions, but being a Christian is for real, and either you are or your not. You will meet GOd one day, and if you still have not believed, then it will be to late, and I hope this does not heppen, I hope someday you will see the truth.

I wish you all had somebody better than me to try explain to yall the truth, and Im sorry Im not the best at it. I know Jesus is the way, I just wish there somebody better on this board at this than me, somebody who could really do a good job. I mean, your blood is no longer on my hands since I did tell you, but still I do not want to see anybody go to hell.

Ok Cardinal. You're starting to get on my nerves with that recruitment talk. Aguing your points is one thing, trying to get people you join your cult is another. Please, if you're going to argue your points, argue your points. Stop with the "accept Jesus as your saviour" bullshit.

if religion was harmless, I wouldn't care
but it isn't, priests and other religious people use peoples beliefs to fool them and control them for their own prophet.
create wars, enlightning starving african kids with jesus christ instead of giving them food.....
thing is with preachers I don't know weather they're fool or being fooled

a great quote:

Religion pays in godly ways, education's not a factor
Sit there brainwashed, insecurity
Preaching life and immortality

they're fool = they fool

i think this thread has gone on long enough

I pity the foo' who comes knockin' at ma door tellin' me to accept jesus christ into ma life.
damn straight jive turkey.

[quote="Gothic_child180":9dc5f]Umm... Just guess at my religious status.[/quote:9dc5f]
btw, stop posing you "hollywood satanist"
god.........

[quote="Captain Bunny":a8316]I pity the foo' who comes knockin' at ma door tellin' me to accept jesus christ into ma life.
damn straight jive turkey.[/quote:a8316]

lmao, like Captain Kramer in Airplane, when all those people are advertising their religion in the airport biggrin:

[quote:05567]Ok Cardinal. You're starting to get on my nerves with that recruitment talk. Aguing your points is one thing, trying to get people you join your cult is another. Please, if you're going to argue your points, argue your points. Stop with the "accept Jesus as your saviour" bullshit. [/quote:05567]

There is no cult here, just a way to heaven. Also, am not trying to recruit anybody for anything, just telling how to aviod going to hell.


[quote:05567]if religion was harmless, I wouldn't care
but it isn't, priests and other religious people use peoples beliefs to fool them and control them for their own prophet.
create wars, enlightning starving african kids with jesus christ instead of giving them food.....
thing is with preachers I don't know weather they're fool or being fooled

a great quote:

Religion pays in godly ways, education's not a factor
Sit there brainwashed, insecurity
Preaching life and immortality [/quote:05567]

Using religion to control people is a horrible thing, and should never be done, and I would hate to be somebody who did cuase a person not to accept Christ by missusing Gods name when they met God face to face. SEe being a Christian does pay, by accepting Christ you have more knowledge than any scholar out there.

[quote:05567]I pity the foo' who comes knockin' at ma door tellin' me to accept jesus christ into ma life.
damn straight jive turkey. [/quote:05567]

I pitty you for having this attitude. :(

so to prove god is real we have to believe christ is my saviour

so if I believe a mule is my savior, unicorns are real?

dont worry my bro wont evil:

[quote:a6861]so to prove god is real we have to believe christ is my saviour

so if I believe a mule is my savior, unicorns are real? [/quote:a6861]

I am saying, that if you believe in Christ you will know God is real. As for a mule and unicorns, you are on your own there. eek:

I don't understand how believing in something makes something else real.