[quote="Short Hand":1ee5b]it was meant to correspond to the corporations of America but I thought a lot of people would just take it as me calling "Americans " in general this. So i removed it. You don't give a flying fuck but people around here will.[/quote:1ee5b]

I'm really tired of your "Corporate America" bullshit rants. Please explain to me your perception of corporations. I think you are misplacing anger with corporations rather than with corrupt CEO's. Corporate America not only makes America tick, it sure as shit helps Canada tick too. Corporations create jobs and drive the economy.

I'm also really fucking tired of you standing on a soapbox and yelling about all of the issues and problems that America has. Why not present us with a solution? If you don't have one, your confrontational tone makes an unpleasant environment for discussion.

[quote=Bleuachdu]I'm really tired of your "Corporate America" bullshit rants. Please explain to me your perception of corporations. I think you are misplacing anger with corporations rather than with corrupt CEO's. Corporate America not only makes America tick, it sure as shit helps Canada tick too. Corporations create jobs and drive the economy.

I'm also really fucking tired of you standing on a soapbox and yelling about all of the issues and problems that America has. Why not present us with a solution? If you don't have one, your confrontational tone makes an unpleasant environment for discussion.[/quote:5e2c9]

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Exactly.

[quote=Bleuachdu]I'm really tired of your "Corporate America" bullshit rants. Please explain to me your perception of corporations. I think you are misplacing anger with corporations rather than with corrupt CEO's. Corporate America not only makes America tick, it sure as shit helps Canada tick too. Corporations create jobs and drive the economy.

I'm also really fucking tired of you standing on a soapbox and yelling about all of the issues and problems that America has. Why not present us with a solution? If you don't have one, your confrontational tone makes an unpleasant environment for discussion.[/quote:46fa4]

Ok let me break it down.


Im not asking for coporate destruction , but corporate reform. reform is what is needed and what it isn't getting. Have you ever really looked into the damage they have caused to people themselves ? a perfect example of one would be flint mechigan, GM closes its plants puts the whole area into povety and takes it ways down to Mexico in order to exploit cheap labor off of poor people, paying the a slave wage to make asutomobiles for us. Disney as well and all its sibling company's are some of the worst exploiters of foreign workers in county's with little or no labor laws. Those nike's yuou wear, that club monaco skirt your Gf may be weaing all made in asian pacific country's in sweat shop's by children and under payed workers. Their wages are that of a slave to us. is this ethical to do ? is this the right thing to do ?

[quote:46fa4]Corporations create jobs and drive the economy. [/quote:46fa4]

Coporations packing up and going to foreign country's in order to exploit more cheap labor is not creating jobs, it is taking them away. + the ethics of the whole issue of lets just fire these guyz because we can go take advantage of poor people thing is kind of well... just wrong.


Also as this soapbox im on, their are lots of people like me doign this. Im not the only one. Also are you suggesting that a 18 year old kid such as myself go and write a solution to this whole mess ? I would think the best people to fix this mess are the people in power, and voicing our opinions to people of power such as a govenrner, or nay one in particular gets them to notice something such as a problem and help fix it because reformist stuff like this gets some people to think and change some things. I can show you the problem and the solution should find itself to you. Its not that complicated yet not so easy to digest.



[quote:46fa4] your confrontational tone makes an unpleasant environment for discussion[/quote:46fa4]

If im not mistaken I present everything in a pretty kool manner in comparision to most conservatives around her my good man. Have you read the responses Levinstein has given lately ? or the danm grammer flames that are thrown around at any commentsm ade by any liberal on this board. I think you have this mixed up, the conservativeses here make the debates hostile because they are the ones who take this as life or death. rolleyes: nag: but you knowlife goes on and the typical responses will come. A neve ending cycle. ed:

Short, Ive never seen soemone be beat by knowledge like you, and then come back with such bullshit.

You are worse then pyro now, you are almost as bad as superman you should be banned.

Short Hand take some college level Macroeconomics classes then come back with material. All those ideas you brought up were opinion and not fact.

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And for further reference, it was made possible for those corporations to pack up and leave by none other than - [insert gasp here] - the Democrats who pushed NAFTA through during the Clinton Administration. NAFTA, along with a few smaller trade agreements, are considered the most irresponsible in the history of the US. Clinton's trade policies sent corporations fleeing happily to Mexico with no penalty, and have us sitting in a $100 billion trade defecit with China. And all thanks to Liberals. Republicans tried to stop the bills.

Now shut the fuck up until you have some education.

cant stop free trade now...pretty soon all latin american countries are going to be involved in this annoy:

Don't get me wrong, I think Free Trade is great. But with Free Trade, everyone has to be on a level playing field, which is not the case whatsoever with NAFTA or our TA with China.

The only way Free Trade can be truly successful is if every country in the world were to be involved in it with no exceptions. A perfect example of this would be the actual states in the US.

Short Hand = Owned.

ha, yessir

I think everyone is starting to hate ShortHand more than Pyro right about now cause Pyro knows when to shut his yap.

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corporate america, canada, insert country here....is somewhat the problem in countries.

Its 'a' problem, not the problem. There are far worse things out their in America than monopolization and greed.

-Noc, you hit the nail on the head concerning NAFTA.

-Short, why post the American flag like that? It is nothing but flamebait.
I for one feel that you don't have to go there. You have made your views abundantly clear. Please take the high road and remove it.

-I have mixed it up in quite a few of these threads latley and most know how I feel about these issues.. The point of this thread was that it is ok to show pride in your country. No need to debating the same ole BS. No need piss all over this thread with that crap.

-If your not proud of your country, that's ok just don't piss on those who are.

- If your not proud of someone else's country, that's ok, let it go and be proud of your own.

wallbash: FFS

I think all Political threads should just be removed on sight. They do nothing but stir shit