if i was that person you discuss whattada (still dont' udnerstand that name btw) id be a hero cuz of that...if I really pissed off the guy so much hed waste all those bulets on me when he only needed one...id be sacrificing myself for the greater good

isn't this...like a part of your idealogy that the states follow...like...care about the people over yourself...well either way i gues sim one evil bitch...but trust me even if I disliked any of you people here...I nwouldn't let you get killed...well i guess the ones who are most recognized...and who cares if i don't expect the same in return...i am a fucked up individual and i don't expect anyone to feel the same wya i do.

what language is that? Can anyone decipher it?

pygrish

I dont think this will change the gun laws, Im in the gray area about gun control. I think people should have a right to guns but at the same time...I went with a buddy of mine to a local pawn shop and they had an AR-15 in there. Very nice gun. He said he could rig that up so it would be automatic...Idk if he was bullshitting me or not because I dont know much about guns but what I do know is that liberals and conservatives are going to have a hay day.

this man leads the NRA.

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well put m8 beer:

[quote="Simo Häyhä":440ec]A criminal will get a gun no matter what law is passed. Less guns does not exactly equate to less gun violence. Now that's simple math.[/quote:440ec]


not really.

think about the amount of accidents, deaths, murders etc that have happened with legally owned weapons, if the mean of getting the weapons is harder then the outcome would be less.

but theres going to be more of these incidents happening in the future, and ill put my money on it that the guns will be obtained legally in one way or form.

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not really.

think about the amount of accidents, deaths, murders etc that have happened with legally owned weapons, if the mean of getting the weapons is harder then the outcome would be less.

but theres going to be more of these incidents happening in the future, and ill put my money on it that the guns will be obtained legally in one way or form.[/quote:74eaf]it would just strengthen black market arms trade because of a greater demand. it would throw a wrench in the works, yeah, but it wouldn't stay that way for too long.

i'm hearing alot of reports saying that the students were lined up and executed. One may ask, "how would someone allow themselves to be killed like that without a fight?" I think it has to do with the same thing arkan or someone was talking about a while back (i dont know the official name for it but i have a few in mind and they aren't quite appropiate at this time) that when someone see's something like a horrific accident or witness something like this..they go into a state of "shock" or whatnot and wait for others to make a move (i.e arkan* being the only one to help the person out of their car that day or call 911 or whateva). Can we have a discussion on this for a minute..

p.s imus could've only hoped for this kind of news 1 week ago...

I think its basically a fight or flight reflex but when you get cornered your adrenalin shoots through the roof and you loose the ability to think clearly and just sort zone out. Kinda a natural reaction to keep you from feeling the inevitable pain.

Weird because I don't remember the people on Flight 93 losing the ability to think clearly.

Execution style or not, it's possible the kids could have lived had they taken action rather than sitting in their desk/barricading the doors, but I don't think that should be discussed because you're only degrading the deaths of the students for the actions they did or didn't take.

Weird I dont remember any survivors of flight 93.
Not everyone goes into this state of shock. Some people have trained themselves to fight it off and think as rationally as the situation allows.
This was most likely a room full of 18-22 year old kids who when surprised with a gun to the face froze up and obeyed the guy with the gun. After all when a gun is pointing at you you tend to look at the gun, not the guy holding it or anyone else. This is also another reaction to danger. When something is threatening you, most peoples response is a sort of tunnel vision in which all they see is the instrument of injury. This eliminates the realization that you and the group with you may outnumber the threats.
Again not everyone reacts like this.

Killer

Cho Seung-hui
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well thay had alot of time to sit there, these students were liekly killed within 5 minutes.

and i was thinking about that earlier, how imus would still have his jobs if this had happened sooner

The terrorists of Flight 93 were only armed with box cutters or small knifes if I remember correctly. A little easier to get into a rushed melee with someone only armed with a melee weapon.

The passengers on Flight 93 weren't dealing with their fellow passengers bleeding out right beside them in small classrooms, paranoid as to what's happening outside that classroom door, so they had time to decipher a plan to attack a group of men that of course would be on the limited space of a plane thousands of feet in the air with only knives. You're also missing the fact that the passengers on Flight 93 didn't have the option to wait for Police.

Considering the VT gunman opened fire immediately after entering classrooms everyone would jump for the ground in panic or be shot, and if the gunman left they would try to barricade the door. Are you suggesting after the smoke clears a couple people who have to deal with grotesque dead bodies, bleeding out moaning classmates, and most of all impetuous shock and paranoia should've formulated a plan to go after a gunman who for all they know could be one of many on a very large College Campus? Luckily the gunman ended his own life before killing 30 more....

He wasn't American, he was a South Korean national.