[quote="dude, just leave":d8a35]i hope me and my partner get to be married[/quote:d8a35]

is your name the gay blade? if it is, hi

[quote=Merlin122]is your name the gay blade? if it is, hi[/quote:4ef49]
huh

You can't prove that homosexuality existed anymore than I can prove that it didn't. However, there has never been any reference to homosexuality found in cave drawings or in the translated cuniform writings of the earliest Mediterranean people, who are generally accepted to be the origin of the human race. This is probably because those people still had instinct and common sense going for them and realized they shouldn't be cramming their dicks up someone's shitter. And take your lame attempts at one-liners elsewhere, trying to close with one makes it obvious that you're on the losing side of an argument.

[quote="[muted]strvs":225f7]The word ignorance is thrown around too much these days, hes ignorant for not knowing that?[/quote:225f7]

ignorance

n : the lack of knowledge or education

Which is precisely what all the pro-gay marriage people are saying, but here is my question:

Laws have been passed just so that gay people can feel more secure or comfortable or whatever. Society has imposed upon me the mandate that I must be in acceptance of their life choices. However, it's perfectly fine for them to be vocally intolerant of my religion and seek legislation that may as well slap my beliefs in the face. This is about hypocracy folks. Fucking liberals.

noctis layin the smackdown

A Fanatical conservative is just as bad as a Fanatical liberal.

It just seems the Liberals have the rights and freedoms of the people as more important.

I'm all for equality. With equilibrium of society, there would be a lot less strife and nothing to stress about. It would be uptopia - perfect. But human nature itself denies us perfection, and therefore the uptopian society that liberal and PC fanatics pursue. I'm a realist. And I'm all about treating people fairly.

What pisses me off about this whole situation is that I - as a young, white, American, Christian male - am expected to be tolerant of EVERYTHING while practically EVERYONE takes shots at my race and my beliefs. And then if I retaliate, I'm either a racist, a bigot or intolerant. And you can't tell me that's not the way it is.

[quote="Sicilian_Summers":de10d]
But, too all those who oppose gay marriage, would you perhaps, accept it if it wasn't called marriage but rather gay union?[/quote:de10d]

Yes, I would. I don't care what they do as long as they don't call their union "marriage." Because that's simply not what it is.

[quote="SW-14":425d9][quote="Sicilian_Summers":425d9]
But, too all those who oppose gay marriage, would you perhaps, accept it if it wasn't called marriage but rather gay union?[/quote:425d9]

Yes, I would. I don't care what they do as long as they don't call their union "marriage." Because that's simply not what it is.[/quote:425d9]

Just to back SW-14, I think several of us have already made this clear in this thread. The big argument is that they want to call it marriage, which is a union defined by religion itself. I don't care what they want to call it, but if they call it marriage then that is being disrespectful to my religion and intolerant of MY beliefs.

[quote="Sicilian_Summers":3f272]
But, too all those who oppose gay marriage, would you perhaps, accept it if it wasn't called marriage but rather gay union?[/quote:3f272]

I wouldn't mind, as long as they didn't get, "unified" in a Catholic/Jewish/Any Religious worshipping center that doesn't accept gay marriage.

[quote=Proteus]I wouldn't mind, as long as they didn't get, "unified" in a Catholic/Jewish/Any Religious worshipping center that doesn't accept gay marriage.[/quote:f86de]

Hell, I wouldnt accept it no matter what it is called, its gay, why do you think its an insult to be called gay? Its because that means your weird, unnatural, sick, outcast, different, not normal. Have you ever noticed how most gays have something wrong with them? Eather a mental retardation, any form of abuse or harrasment, ahd, birth defomity, and stuff like that your rarely see a gay who has no health problems or wasnt abused/harrasted. The is only ONE singualr reason for life, to continue it, if you arent going to, then you arent worth mich then are you, youd have to do something else EXTREMELY great to pay off the fact you arent gonna get it on with a girl and not have the baby. That is alos a reason why I am completly against abortain and condoms. If your gonna do it then do it alll the way.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":eda73]You missed his point entirely, the point of the matter is not that homosexuality has been around since before christ, who cares?

Actually, that was the point. If you looked at the post Noctis responded to, you would see that I was making a statement in response to what Old Reliable made. Noctis was debating my argument, I dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

That does not make it any more valid. He's saying that its been against western-juedeo-christian values for thousands of years,

My point was, that since homosexuality has existed BEFORE these so called 'values,' it would be the other way around, wouldnt it? How can it be contrary to christian values if it predates it? Maybe Christian values are contrary to human emotions.

the same values that this country was built upon and you can't force people to accept homosexual marriages as being the same as a marriage between a man and a women.

Thats why our constitution was created so that it could be amended as time presented new situations and could keep up with the times. What are you being forced to accept?? Your marriage with a women would not be affected by a marriage between a man and another man. The 'force' in this debate is a person not being able to marry the person he or she loves. Its fine if you dont approve of it, but you dont pass laws and restrictions based on your faith.

Thats what the issue is, when someone decides to be gay they should know they are sacraficing certain rights and privlages,

No one 'decides' to be gay. Being gay is that persons life. The government cannot ask you to sacrifice your rights because of the fact that you are gay.

no one is telling them they can't be gay...but that you can't get married because a "marriage" which has been defined since the begining of time as something between a man and a women. Two homosexual "partners" can not be married, they cant, its not what marriage is.

Again, that is a personal opinion and your viewpoint. Thanks for hiding it in the middle of your post.


Secondly, a point I brought up earlier which no one has even addressed is what would happen if gay marriages were legalized throughout the nation as a result of a supreme court ruling.

Hmm, I didnt catch that one, it must have been disguised under all of your bullshit you alwasy seem to drop here and there. But since we are here...

That ruling would serve as a precedent for other sicko's and perverts to get their demented fetishes

Umm how is homosexuality a fetish?

legalized, because if homosexual marriages are legal why couldnt poligomy be legalized too?

Polygamy is a serperate issue and not even close to homosexuality. This isnt about someones obsessive sex drive or desire to have 15 kids. Furthermore polygamy hurts people because it forces women into a subservient role in multiple marriages. I am against polygamy, whether it is hetero or homosexual.

The implications and precedents that legalizing homosexual marriages are what most people who understand the issue are against. Because they know it would serve as a precedent that would be used to get things such as poligomy legalized

No.

, because homosexual marriages would have redefined what marriage is.

That is actually a good point. It would redefine what a marriage is. But how is that bad? It would just imply that marriage is between two people, wouldnt it?


It would destroy the family because a family is defined as a husband, wife, and children...however now a days there are much more single parent families, the last thing we need is a guy having 3 wives and 10 kids and two homos adopting a kid...it would destroy the family as we know it and further degenerate our society.

That is polygamy, not homosexuality. Gay marriages do not lead to a rampant case of increased polygamy cases.

Its bad enough you fucking liberals want to take god out of our public lives, but leave the fucking concept of marriage and families alone.[/quote:eda73]

bla bla bla bla bla. Rhetoric.

Damnit it took me forever to resond to that post, Im trying to work here. Next time you want to make a point, dont surround it in bullshit and make sure you read the previous posts. You only made 2 arguments there, and only one was valid; ie the redefinition of marriage. Just face it, you dont want gays to get married because you and every other conservative republican are homophobics and/or you just hate them.

I honestly think all religious shit should be banned from North America...that way they will have to tolerate shit...and we would too.

don't see the point to of it all...

I would have thought one of the main things peolple wanting same sex unions/marriage is to
have the same financial rights that are automatically granted to hetero couples by law, access
to superanuation, granting of assets should one partner die etc., in this I say good luck to them.
It's not as if the ritual and vows of marriage are always respected by hetero couples anyway (Brittney
Spears anyone eek: ) the amount of divorce, abuse, cheating etc. would indicate to me that us heteros
have no room to talk when it comes what other consenting adults wish to do.

Noctis once again hits the nail with the hammer.

[img]http://www.jamesshuggins.com/i/web1/hammer_and_nail.jpg[/img]

Too bad Noctis has racists agreeing with him.