Not @ all, where did you pull that ideal up out of what I said ? All I mean is the church will change with society or else it will cease to exist period. This is not a threat, nor intolerance, it is just general progress that is made threwout the times. The Catholic church went under MAJOR changes in the middle of the 20th century, such as converting masses from Latin to the country's language, more song hymm's, Full conversion of Bible's into english etc etc.. It adapted to survive.

Homosexuality is becoming a culture. So should we not respect as we don't respect Italian, Jewish, Irish, etc's heritige? We already show how much we don't respect black and spanish heritige; why not add gays?

exactly.

heh, I would like to edit that post and say: "many blacks and latinos"

Homosexuality is different than being black, brown, yellow, white or purple to the church because the bible says it is wrong.

The church will not or at least should not change their beleifs on homosexuality because that would be changing the bible's beleifs. It would be like the church adapting to accepting premarital sex just because it is acceptable in society now even though it is against the Bible.

i wouldn't use that arguement b/c the Church is human. Yeah, they're supposed to be influenced by the Holy Spirit but the human ego's have gotten in the way (crusades, spanish inquisition, etc.).

Changing the bible? Isn't that what Catholicsim, Protestant, Orthodox, Jehoveh Witness', Baptist, Lutheran, etc have done? Changing the bible and its teachings to suit ones need. The only true church is non-partisan.

Once again you are also not retorting my point. You might say its not ok to have homosexuals, God says it too, but what about gays' feelings? They are part of America. Isn't the point of having the US? To release people of persecution; ecspecially if its RELIGOUS. If you were to find the love of your life and your neighbor doesn't approve, you would still get married. ITS YOUR CHOICE TO MARRY, NOT OTHERS. This reasoning should apply for all, not just between a man and a woman. The only reason they can't get married is that their neighbor votes against it. What is the neighbor going to lose? Their pride? Ego? Ticket to Heaven? Unlikely.

I was saying that the Church will not change as SH said it would to accept homosexuality; I was never arguing that the church would still love them, my church has made it very clear that homosexuals need to be loved just as everybody else is, and I think that is a very important thing, I'm merely saying that I do no beleive the church will come to accept the lifestyle because it is written in the bible to be a sin, that's all.

And you are right, many different religions have added things to the Bible that they have either claimed are interpretations of the word or just add ons they decided upon, that's why I am in a non-denominational church, one that goes upon what the bible says, not what the heirarchy of church command says.

So whats your final opinion? Would or wouldn't you vote for gay marriage?

If the church deems it ok, society is moving towards it....?

I would not. The bible says marriage is between man and woman.

But that's just me

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13

The only anti-gay quote in the bible. Also one of the most mis-quoted bible verses. It tells that if a man was with another man he is put to death by LAW, not religion.

Please try again. Please remember you aren't gay.

I'm sure you live by the exact written word of the Bible in every other aspect of your daily life too. eek:

Kinda inconsiderate when the result doesn't even concern you, wouldn't you say?

I mean, if either way it doesn't effect you, why do you still vote no?

No, it's not the only quote. And I think the blood being upon them may refer to guilt or the responsiblity to God when they die.

Tripper:
It doesn't affect me, you're right, but would it be right to support something that God tells me is wrong?

as far fetched as this sounds: Let's vote to legalize crack/cocaine. I won't do it. But let's legalize it anyway.