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intrestedviewer 08-13-2001 12:13 AM

i dont blame hitler entirely for his ways. his parents were big time racists so he grew up like that. He still was a evil man though. Its amazing how he took control of the military and declared himeself dictator.

doesnt this guy look like he was having fun? http://users.pandora.be/stalingrad/zaitsevsn.jpg

Wolfshook 08-13-2001 12:52 AM

Hitler did not unite Germany.

Hitler lied to his German people, and promised them a return to world strenth, under the banner of peace. He promised them a strong army, the right of every world power, but never EVER mentioned war. He promised them a phoenix like rise out of the ashes, and a new improved economy. He gave it to them, alright, and destroyed them in the process.

Do you not ever wonder just how Germany got out of the world wide Depression of the 1930's? Germany was the first country out of the Depression, because fromt he very beginning of Hitler's reign, it was mobilizing for war.

Men worked in factories producing ball bearings, pressing steel, producing copper, iron, manufacturing weapons, panzers, ships, U-Boats, aircraft, etc. Men were recruited into the armed forces, and received very good benefits, and pay. Those men not working, were in the fields, farming.

The whole economy recovered, because of the secret preparations for war, by Hitler. Everyone was working, yes, but everyone was working to make Hitler's war machine a reality. That is simple, cold, hard FACT.

He certainly didn't unite all of Germany, either. Germany's Jewish population was systematically blamed for all of Germany's woes. Given a scapegoat, Hitler was able to use propaganda to shift attention away from what he was doing, to what the Jews were doing, in Germany. This same propaganda made up unsubstantiated lies about them, and caused the hate against them, to grow and fester.

Jews were not the only ones targeted, the mentally and phsyically handicapped, gypsies, and others were made scapegoats for Germany's problems. If you want to sit there and tell me that Hitler was a wonderful man for saying that mentally retarded children was subhuman and deserved annhilation for their birth into this world, because of defective genes, that they had absolutely no control over, then you are one sick individual. I have a cousin, who is handicapped, and it is a sad thing indeed. However, it is not his fault, nor anyone else's, and he lives as good a life as he can, despite his handicaps. To think that someone would tell me that this person didn't deserve to live, is atrocious. Hitler, however, said this, and murdered each and everyone he could get his hand onto.

Hitler also ordered the murder of people just like you and me, except that they happened to look a little different, and lived in the Ukraine, and in fact, in all of Russia. Think about yourself for a little bit, and think about whether or not Hitler would have judged you as a sub-human. Hitler no more looked like a white, blond haired, blue eyed German, than any Russian man. However, no one even thought of that, because his hold on their minds was so complete. No one questioned the Fuhrer.

Think about it a little bit when you judge people...one day someone might put into law that your looks put you into a class of person that is causing too much trouble in the world. Far fetched? I wouldn't count on it.

Hitler destroyed not only his country, but most of Europe. Not counting the actualy physical death of millions in death camps, the amount of both German and european soldiers that died is horrifying.

Add to this the death of civilians, which Germany, again started with the bombing of London. I will not say that Dresden, or the bombing of German cities was a good thing, or even the right thing for the Allies to do. However, Germany started this kind of terror bombing, and should have known that the Allies would respond in kind. Germany itself cast this card of civilian involvement in military war. This, again, the order of Hitler. It could be argued that all civilian deaths caused by bombing, both German, and Allied are on his hands.

Hitler united Germany. I cannot even say this, as he tore his country apart, and rebuilt it into his image of what Germany should be. Artists and scientists were ousted. Books were burned, learning programs destroyed, and remade into what the Nazi party thought people should know. Not what the truth should be.

Hitler destroyed Germany. Germany, although united, was really a hollow shell of a country, gutted out by the Nazis.

Compare Germany, during WW1, and WW2, and you will see the difference. You cannot compare the Prussian traditions of the country at the time, with the Nazi leadership during WW2.

I will not comment on the actions of the regular German soldier, however, or the people of Germany. This post is solely directed to the man Hitler. Not a monster, but a man, which makes that man even more frightening.

Hitler, destroyed Germany, from the very day he began his maniacal and paranoid rule, over that beautiful country. A sad thing, indeed.

Even sadder that people today can't see just what he did, with all of the hard facts right in front of them.

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kraut-kill3r 08-13-2001 01:10 AM

i hope i havevthe requirements, my computer is really sucking right now..

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NaZi_Boy 08-13-2001 01:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by intrestedviewer:
i dont blame hitler entirely for his ways. his parents were big time racists so he grew up like that. He still was a evil man though. Its amazing how he took control of the military and declared himeself dictator.

doesnt this guy look like he was having fun? http://users.pandora.be/stalingrad/zaitsevsn.jpg
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lol, the picture looked great and the caption was the icing on the cake!!
Also, could you open up your own discussion, suggested title : 'Hitler ; Good or Bad' ,the amount of e-mails i got screwed up my hotmail account!!


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Also, in no way do i support the Nazi Party.

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Obergrenadier 08-13-2001 02:43 AM

wait and how did hitler unite germany again? i didnt catch that explanation. all i know is that east prussia is in Ivan's territory now...

Koshi 08-13-2001 02:49 AM

That picture is of Vassily Zeitsev. The best Russian sniper.

Basement 08-13-2001 04:05 AM

nice change of subject http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Neo8234 08-13-2001 04:26 AM

Hitler didn't fuck up Germany by declaring war, that was his plan from the beginning and Germany would have collapsed if he didn't declare war. They couldn't support the military they were building.

Neo8234 08-13-2001 04:27 AM

not sure how a double post happened since I only clicked the button once and walked away, but oh well http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Neo8234 (edited August 13, 2001).]

NaZi_Boy 08-13-2001 05:14 AM

Hello,

this is my first topic and i don't know if this subject has been raised before, but, here goes:
does anyone have any idea on what the system requirements will be??? My computer might/proberly won't be alright, its an
AMD-K6-2, 384mb Ram, Tnt2 m64 32mb graphics card with latest Nvidia Drivers and GameSurround Muse XL soundcard.

Thanks.

P.S. Please excuse the Username, i just love the German Uniforms and Language!!! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Macchi 08-13-2001 05:40 AM

should be ok.........Welcome to the boards...

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Obergrenadier 08-13-2001 07:30 AM

Nazi http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif

you do realise that the nazis destroyed the fatherland, dont you? not a flame, just a question...

geRV 08-13-2001 07:31 AM

How u figure that? Hitler actually united the german people for a time then fucked it up by declaring war.

Obergrenadier 08-13-2001 08:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerard:
Hitler actually united the german people for a time then fucked it up by declaring war.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

what was the final outcome? look at the map pal...

geRV 08-13-2001 08:48 AM

Actually thats what i said he united the germans for a time then fucked it up by declaring war. READ it properly next time.



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