Was blackhawk down a bit over the top?
 

The movie itself was good but i have to question the amount of ammo thats used in the film. The soldiers in the city literaly fire from start to finish of the movie and its only about 10 mins before the end that they say theyre running low on ammo. I don't think soldiers carry about 2000+ rounds for an m16 or an m4. M-60 or a saw maybe but theres no way in hell soldiers with m16's\m4's carried that much ammo and were able to run about like they were carrying nothing.

its a movie
its called hollywood

Well, most action/war movies have endless hollywood clips...I can't remember a realistic movie when it comes to ammo.....

btw gerard...where in ireland are u from

[quote="CaP bUsTa":e452d]btw gerard...where in ireland are u from[/quote:e452d]

belfast biggrin:

but they went back to base and loaded back up oOo:

Not the ones that were hiding in a building beside the crash site.

my dads from cork
i visited ireland this summer biggrin:

I think i'm like 1/8 Irish. eek:

too bad.

eek: oOo: eek:

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Actually i'm more Irish than I thought. I wrote it down:

1/4 Scotish
1/4 Irish
1/4 French
1/8 Swiss
1/8 Italian


Theres some American in me as well. My grandmas parents were from North Dakoda or something.

bah well at leats being Irish is not you biggest downfall, you are french also

1/2 Scottish
1/2 Polish

again

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bah I kid I kid.....but the part about the french...ouch man, truly ouch.

My Dads Father was French Canadian. His great great ... grandfather came to Canada in 1624 I believe and setteled in Quebec. He was the First "Trudel" (my last name) to come to North America. So on my dads side, i'm like 10th generation Canadian. Hes really famous for some reason or another. He was really popular in France and there are tons of webpages on him. Kinda neat stuff. So don't diss him.

Well I know these for sure:

1/2British
1/4Scottish
1/4German

very cool...my grandfather John McRae wrote In Flanders Field during the war.

Actually my grandfather John Murdock Mac Rae sits in the kitchen watching TV all day...go grandpa go.

[quote="Pfc.Green":76de5]Well I know these for sure:

German[/quote:76de5]

ICH BIEN DER SCHWEINEHUNDE!!!! oOo:

1/2 Norwegian
1/4 irish
1/4 Polish

Give it up for Norway, "ya"... LOL

Anyone wanna clue me in on just how the fuck people can determine the percentages of this?

Well if your father was from Italy and you mother from USA, then you'd be 1/2 Italian, 1/2 USA. Then keep tracing back. Simple as that. Probably doesn't work well for Europeans since you guys have been there for hundreds of years, but for those of us in North America, most of our parents or grandparents came from europe etc.

Same thing with me I'm 10th generation my acestors emigrated from Ireland back in the day and then settled in Quebec.
I'm 1/4 spanish, 1/4 german, 1/4 french canadian and 1/4 Phillipino.

okay......anyways. back to black hawk down..........

ammo, um yeah.... u got a point, b/c we see how quickly one of those delta snipers (who dies in is efforts trying to save Durant, r.i.p. to him) runs out of ammo, where as the rangers hiding in the building seem to never run out of ammo

Desperado.
Shootouts in bars.... half the time spent reloading.

I'm guessing they probably had about 12-20 mags each, so that's 360-600 rounds, some may have had more. If they had four ALICE ammo pouches, that's 3 in each I think so that's 12, then they probably maxed out in other pouches/pockets, like Twombly says in film (and in real event): "you're not gonna need that dude [NV], you might as well take dope and beer [ammo]"

so where they kept NV/waterbottle/rations/equipment, they may have put extra mags. In my webbing and uniform, I'd guess I can hold 23 mags in my webbing - 12 in ammo pouches, 3 in each utility pouch and about 5 in respirator pouch, then if I put ammo in the pockets of my combats I could hold another 8-11, so I think I could hold about 35 maximum, boy I can't wait until I'm in the army.

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely, but maybe a bit.
Oh here's another thing. In the battle at night, in the film Kurth says he's out of ammo and Eversmann gives him his last mag, but Kurth and Eversmann only say they are out in the morning eek:

And why was one of the snipers using what appeared to be an m-14? Surely he woulda had a proper rifle, thats him in yer sig.

M-21 (modified 14 obviously) i've read about it being used in some operations but i have no idea if it was standard issue or not

seems to be suited for an urban environment like that to me but who knows with movies

yep, Shughart used the M14 (or 21, not sure), because it's quick, accurate and powerful (7.62mm). You wouldn't go into a combat zone with a bolt action rifle like an L96 or anything more powerful that 7.62

Fuck that i woulda took the m-60 with about 3000 rounds of ammo, lets see that fucking crowd get anwyhere near me then. Mwahahahaa evil:

As I recall from the book, they had resupply throughout the whole time. They also had constant air support from the little birds. It was much more than that one big fire mission they showed at the end of the movie.

As for the M-14: Everybody was carrying M-16s with new armor piercing ammo. The problem was that the bullets would go through the target and it would require several shots to bring a guy down. He was using the M-14 because it fired a heavy bullet that guaranteed a one-shot kill. Being the highly trained Delta commando that he was, he could make each shot count just as easily with any weapon, so he made a wise choice in terms of stopping power. Of course, with the volume of targets, he would've done just as well to have a flamethrower or Vulcan gatling gun. (OK, sorry for the exaggeration there.)

hey Gerard, sod the m60, give me the damn minigun!
you're exactly right Magnum about the armour piercing, in fact, there is an out-take from the film which shows Hoot and Sanderson discussing the armour piercing rounds.
And the Delta actually used Car-15s, not M4s, but that means there must be 2 versions of Car-15, right? because I thought there was one that just looks like a short m-16a1 with smooth grip and not "ribbed" grip

Gerard they carried extra ammo, thats all they took. Plus M16s since they are semi auto its takes awhile to go through 30 rounds, trust me. They brought alot of ammo, read the book its more descriptive

[quote="Pfc.Green":eb147]Well I know these for sure:

1/2British
1/4Scottish
1/4German[/quote:eb147]

Clearly having the genes somewhere in your body doesnt get to your brain to tell you that Scotland is part of Britian oOo:

Yes Bunny you are correct, I should have put English

Thats better cool:

Thats funny, this topic went from BHD to Nationalities to BHD and back to Nationalities eek:

ITS NOT FUNNY!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!

Unfortunately none of you seem to display knowledge of the novel "Black Hawk Down". This describes in detail the various reasons that they had excess ammuntion. BTW the guy in his sig is Delta so he's prolly got a good reason for having an M14, those guys don't screw around.

Anyway, the mission was supposed to last 2 hours, therefore they threw away things that were unecessary such as canteens, bayonets and nightvision. Extra ammo was placed in wherever they could find space. The Ranger who fell on the fast rope had heaps of M-60 ammo too.

Also during the night another Black Hawk actually made a drop of IV bags and i think ammo too. This Black Hawk was shot down too but managed to land in friendly zones. Actually in total 4 Black Hawks were shot down and two of these crash landed at base.

Hope that helps.

BTW I strong believe that the movie was a really crap adaptation of the book. I wish it had been more realistic, the wounds that the US weapons were able to inflict on the Somalis were horrific. .50 cal bullets can punch head size holes through cement blocks and would literally rip people apart. To great an influence of Hollywood in it. Call me picky but it was an actual event and these things need detail.