STARTING SNIPER ONLY LADDER. NEED AS MANY CLANS AS POSSIBLE!
 

Well the 84th has been thinking about starting a sniper only ladder for awhile. We finally worked out the details and want to know what clans would be interested. There are currently 4 clans that are definitely in it. We need more to really get this thing going. The basis for the ladder is coming from OGL and TWL.

There will be 2 rounds. Each clan will pick a map. Each map will last for 20 minutes. The overall kill amount wins. Meaning if one clan wins the first round and 2nd wins the second round the kills will be added and whoever had the most overall kills will be the winner.

The clan does not have to be a sniper only clan. It could have a sniper division or just a group of people willing to snipe.

Each match will be either a 4 vs 4 or a 5 vs 5. That is up to the 2 clans to decide.

Clans will challenge each other. That's how it works. The clan challenging is the clan that will hold the match on their server.

There are going to be admins of the ladder. If there are any discrepancies they will be the final decision. As of right now there are no final decisions as to who the admins will be.

Leaning is to be kept to a minimum. If any of you have played on the 84th server you know no leaning at all is allowed. You can say what you want about that biggrin: but this rule will not be used in matches. An occasional wobble will be fine but no continual leaning will be allowed. When the expansion comes out this problem will be taken care of so you should get used to it now.

If you have any interest in joining the ladder or have any questions just post here and I'll get back to you ASAP. Thanks-DaK

please...turn off the caps lock....

Dak...
 

Like how you took most of my ideas now dont wanna include me hake: in on it lol but ok... have fun. Some of the rules are oOo: but we will see how it goes.

Cheers biggrin:

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Re: Dak...
 

Great! That is basically all of the info right now. Please pass the word along so we can get this thing going ASAP! -DaK

[SEALs] is interested...i'll see if we can

[quote="Cool Fool":86dbf][SEALs] is interested...i'll see if we can[/quote:86dbf]

Excellent! That makes 4 for sure and 2 tentatives. I'm thinking 10 is a good number to start with. Pass the word along.-DaK

NOTF is interested :-D
 

NOTF [U] Umbris Sniper Division is interested biggrin: ...

I'm not in a clan at the moment but i'd definitely be interested in looking at joining one in this ladder.

Re: NOTF is interested :-D
 

[quote="N O T F || Glory":ca8bf]NOTF [U] Umbris Sniper Division is interested biggrin: ...[/quote:ca8bf]

You're a comedian angel: -DaK


The 84th currently has a full roster. Deffinetly talk to the other clans involved so far. Thanks for your interest-DaK

no leaning? eek: if u have a sniper tournament u have to keep leaning in. leaning is part of sniping, u just cant take it away. sorry to be stubborn but if u take out leaning, then forget waffen. also.. also i think 4 on 4 is a bit big... just my opinion on the matter. also would there be any anti-camping rules or would it just be who can sit out the longest?

[quote="aNti hEro":d2246]no leaning? eek: if u have a sniper tournament u have to keep leaning in. leaning is part of sniping, u just cant take it away. sorry to be stubborn but if u take out leaning, then forget waffen. also.. also i think 4 on 4 is a bit big... just my opinion on the matter. also would there be any anti-camping rules or would it just be who can sit out the longest?[/quote:d2246]

Very good points, one of which I addressed. Leaning will be allowed just not continual. Occasional wobbling will be fine. 4 vs 4 has worked out very well in the past and has kept the match going very fast paced. Anti camping is a for sure. At no point in time can you stay in one area for more than 10-20 seconds. Many argue that you aren't 'sniping' if you don't camp. I completely disagree. This is one our server rules for the 84th ([url="http://84th.xgameservers.com/new_page_1.htm"]http://84th.xgameservers.com/new_page_1.htm[/url]). Thanks-DaK

Hey Dak.

I know that i am interested and im sure that we could get some of the other [MSC] guys to get in. by the way its me [MSC]y SuperD.

As soon as you know more let us know. thanks

D bigzooka:

leaning takes skill...you are taking away skill...and turning really skillful players obsolete

lol Pyro

[quote="[WaffenSS]Cethin":cdee7]lol Pyro[/quote:cdee7]

you know it

I would have to disagree. If pushing 2 buttons repeatedly very quickly is skill then I'm amazing biggrin:. A little leaning is OK. What are you pro leaning peeps going to do when the expansion comes out? I know that it's up to the server admin but you have to assume a majority of the servers won't allow it. Then what?

Great Super! You are actually counted as one of my 'for sure' clans. I had talked with Sniper about this before vacation and he's down with it. Spread the word along in the MSC crew-DaK

I have a question that hasnt been addressed. will pistols be allowed? I know there is a huge difference between the quality of the colt and the german pistol and also you might just have people pistoling eachother instead of sniping.

[quote="M [84thUSMC] S dak125":eb71d]I would have to disagree. If pushing 2 buttons repeatedly very quickly is skill then I'm amazing biggrin:. A little leaning is OK. What are you pro leaning peeps going to do when the expansion comes out? I know that it's up to the server admin but you have to assume a majority of the servers won't allow it. Then what?[/quote:eb71d]

DaK lol I told you when we had our discussion, a lot of "good clans" lean, a lot of "good players" lean. A lot dont as well, but you can count a lot of clans out if you hinder a part of the game that is there. I mean is strafing done in real life? Hell no! So please if you want to make this work, try to look at all the other ladders, base around what players want and not how some sniper only servers do it. BTW most servers I assume will keep leaning in the game biggrin:

Only my opinion, but im with Kaos on this one, o btw Kaos is one of the best clans, so is WaffenSS, so is NOTF, all good clans... so maybe you should ask people what they want and not what one or two clans. Then base your rules around that. My opinion eek:

glorys right on that one. i think u should base ur rules on opinions of everyone, not just how u personally run ur server, or on top clans. i dont think i could do a wobble here wobble there. i have adapted to pure leaning (non binded btw), and i think taking that away will ruin mine, and alot of other peoples ability to play as well as they usually do. i do like the anti camipng rules

My opinion on the leaning has been stated. I'm more than willing to listen to what others say. Glory you always seemed to think that 'top' clans that snipe don't lean continually. Now all of a sudden a change of heart? Explain that please.

I'm not a big fan of pistols. Once again that is my opinion I'm more than willing to hear what others have to say. By all means come to the 84th server and you can all see what mods are used pistol and nade wise.

Main 84th server:
[84thUSMC]SNIPERS ONLY *DED* 2 PVT SLOTS

IP:
64.94.44.216:12203

This is what we run. That won't necessarily be what will be used. Let me know what everyone thinks. -DaK

well..
 

What I actually said was in match play, the snipers roll is different. Also considering most sniper servers are FFA it seems more individuals lean. When I play in matches, most snipers set up shop in a position and snipe, they dont run around like a chicken with its head cut off in a lot of these FFA servers. So sorry if you misunderstood but when you play ladder matches its a whole nother ball game, trust me.

But honestly if you want to have the best clans compete I suggest you listen to the community and keep personal feeling/ opinions out of it. Not saying that is what your doing.

Another note: I suggest having the team who is challenged be able to host first map on their server or the whole map, thats how it normally works on most ladders.

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pyro = oOo:

From what i have read when Spearhead comes out the server will have the option to lean and move.So what would everyone think if thats how we left it,since the clan challenging holds the match on their server then you would go by how they set it up.This would all be discussed prior to the match between the two clans.That would be fair, the clans that are not use to or do not lean will still have matches on servers that use leaning and vise versa. Spearhead will be out soon and that could change alot.I myself(and this is an opinion) dislike lean straffing, I chose a world war 2 game for more realism, if I wanted lean straffing and people binding keys like that I would be playing Unreal or something like that, it just looks wrong when someone is running at you like that.I thought that was one of the major flaws in the game and it seems alot others did too since it fixes that in Spearhead.
M [84thUSMC] S DEAN12

hmmm lets think here...
 

Ok first one thing you guys are not taking into account is that not every clan will be playing Spearhead, also what are you doing making a Spearhead ladder or MOH:AA, other ladders I know will make a seperate ladder for both so I mean, thats something you need to think about cause things seem really confused on your side right now. Also how will the ladder rungs and such work, how do team challenge, how often can they challenge and how many clans will compete. Spearhead is seperate from MOH:AA man, the ladders will be different and not every server will change to SH, so maybe you guys need to take few more things into account.

BTW, I think you guys need to decide, leaning or no if your going to make a SH ladder, because it will only create conflict in between clans if it is up to one clan to decide. Thats like being on a ladder and allowing one team to decide how many weapons you can use or how many you cant. Same with friendly fire, off or on? You cant leave all that up to the clans you need to have this thing as organized as possible or you will have a lot of conlict matches on your hands....

AIDOS!