Communism is a really futuristic concept...or should we die?
 

Before you call me an evil commie, a warlord, or a backward medieval person, hear me out. As you see, machines are constantly replacing humans in the workstation. You can see that, at the turn of the previous century, farmers were driven out of their farms due to other farmers being able to do the work of ten farmers, since they were able to apply technology. Eventually, almost all workers will be replaced by technology and machines. How will people be able to work for a living? How will capitalism work in a technological society? The only way I see it, is by sharing all wealth equally, otherwise everyone will starve, or maybe we're supposed to die and let technology take over? Maybe that is the final chapter in evolution....


Thoughts?

Humans will always be needed for entertainment...You can't fuck a robot....Nor can you pro-create with it....And I don't think there will ever be a Robot that's as funny as Sienfeld.

A perfect form of capitalism and communism should be embraced: although
people will work for their money (added luxuries), everyone's basic needs
will be taken care of. The companies that want to offer a "luxury" will be free
to do so: if they're good and people like the product, they will flourish but if
no one wants the said product, too bad, so sad. NB: I don't know jack shit
about communism or much about capitalism so feel free to bash me with a
club on the head if you don't like my idea ;)

True, we will destroy ourselves eventually.

The creation, destruction, implementation, developement, manufacturing of technology creates MORE jobs. Problem with communism: people are inherently greedy. Communism will not and does not work because people have a concept of "fairness." For instance, lets say that you and I are both living in a communist state. If I am a janitor and you are a doctor, wouldn't you feel slighted that at the end of the day? Neither of us made money and we both get THE SAME food clothing etc.? Rightly so you might think that you deserve more compensation for your efforts. After all, it takes more skill and knowledge to be a doctor than it does to be a janitor. However, we would both live in the same sized house, eat the same food for dinner wear the same issued clothes. This is where Sloi comes in:
sounds to me like socialism. Your compensation and pay are derived from your efforts and skill. Communism will NOT work in America. Socialism might be the intermediate step between Capitalism and Communism. However, I do believe that all people must be motivated in some way. Communism is devoid of motivation (except for helping fellow man), where Capitalism uses the all mighty dollar to prod people along. SO in closing I do not believe Commnuism is possible for a long period of time. History has shown this. Socialism MAY be possible, changing everyones mindset is the hardest step. And no matter what form of government is in place, people will starve and people will die. There is no perfect solution.

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Yeah, there are a lot of machines doing jobs these days and I see it as with the mass creating of Aritificial Intelligence we will die out. Either we will rely on them too much are they will kill us oOo: Yeah sounds a little off but its possible.

I think communism would surely work, with some fine tuning:

Rather than have a Janitor and a doctor on the same pay, you divide them up into classes....

Example:

1st Class Careers:
Brain Surgeon, Lawyer, Judge, Politician...

2nd Class Careers:
Policeperson, soldier, builder, teacher, stripper...

3rd Class Careers:
Janitor, rubbish guy, clerk, crackwhore...

You see, each class gets paid a different amount of money, depending on how worthy they are...i.e 3rd Class Careers get 8,000 dollars a year, while 1st class get 80,000 or something.

You could add more classes or something, and elaborate on each class.
This and comrade sloidussey's idea together would make MOTHER NATION THE BEST NATION!

But now you have a class system. Where is your motivation? That is the whole problem with communism. It creates an entitlement attitude. In a small community it can work well, because you can tell who the slackers are and those issues can be addressed. In a larger, more buearucratic society, those porblems fall thru the cracks.

Humans will never automate themselves out of society. Increased automation will free people to pursue alternative activities. Kind of like tv. A hundred years ago, no one had time to watch tv, so even if it existed, it would be pointless. With more effiecient production (of everything) we had "idle" time to invent, manufacture, and watch tv. Plus there was a whole new industry created just to make programming.

DOWN WITH COMMUNISM! BURN SPOOGE AT THE STAKE!

Unless I am gravely mistaken, one of the largest goals communism tries to accomplish is to rid of the "class system".

Communism would mean we'd have to give up our cars and rolex's and guns. Come to think of it, PC's too! Communism Fu#$@&g Sucks!! evil:

[quote="Capt. John Miller":58072]DOWN WITH COMMUNISM! BURN SPOOGE AT THE STAKE![/quote:58072]

wouldn't work
 

communism in theory is not a bad idea, but it has never worked and never will. capitalism may not sound as good as communism, but it damn well works better.

P.S. I would never call a moderator a commie, even if i thought they were. biggrin:

Alright professors, you still failed to answer the question. We WILL be replaced at our jobs by machines. Samething happened in farming as I already said. Back in the 1800's most of the people in the western world were still farmers, but now they are not due to technology; thus this....
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The creation, destruction, implementation, developement, manufacturing of technology creates MORE jobs.
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is wrong, and as I said NOBODY will work because there will be machines manufacturing for them, and taking their jobs. That's the whole damn point, and now that people will have no jobs, they will not be able to have food unless the machine owners share the money with the unemployed. Get it?

It'll be just like in the Matrix where the machones take over!!

So everyone will program? There will be 6,000,000,000 positions just for programmers? It's like having 1,000 people to design one car, but these days you can have one guys design a car on his own with a computer.

Re: wouldn't work
 

Looks like someone didn't care to read the first post in this topic, since I have just shown that it could work. Thus, the statement you just posted makes no sense without any type of reasonable support.

spooge why are you a commie?

[quote="Capt. John Miller":df2c5]spooge why are you a commie?[/quote:df2c5]
Because I want to take your computer and television set.... idiots. ;)

ANYTHING BUT MY COMPUTER!!!! TAKE MY PARENTS!!

[quote="Recycled Spooge":a8726]So everyone will program? There will be 6,000,000,000 positions just for programmers? It's like having 1,000 people to design one car, but these days you can have one guys design a car on his own with a computer.[/quote:a8726]

Yes and no. You keep taking my posts literally, word for word. By programming I meant tv programs, i.e. actors, writers, production assistants, etc, the works. I sited tv as a micro economy, not a macro, just to make a quick point. This isnt a disertation, just an informal discussion. Apply my reply to the economy as a whole, with many industries trasforming into many industries, and I said the same thing you did, just in my words, not yours.

And if you want to be literal, no, one guy doesnt design a car by himself on a computer. You have a team that each has its specialty (frame, powertrain, electrical, yada, yada, yada) and then you need to apply overheads for the admin support, marketing, executive teams, etc. But we dont really want to be literal, do we?

Teacher: ''And giving every person equal rights when they are clearly not equal is what again kids?''

Kids: ''Communism!''


Ah, good ol' Simpsons.

if it is i don't want to be one of the people fighting for freedom. i would rather have sex with the girl in the red dress for all of my 'life'

as for communism, down with it! facism too. as for machines, they have limits, i dunno where they are, but they are there, and thats why they will need humans

You silly shits.......LONG LIVE THE ARISTOCRACY!

machines take over?
do you see how stupid AI players are biggrin:

if we ever did have to go to war against machines it would be guile and deceit all the way, computers are stupid strategists they think linear and cannot adapt.

Is this a discussion spooge? Or just listen to what spooge says. You asked for thoughts. I gave you mine. You tell me I'm wrong. Lets talk despots and dictatorships.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":55d63]machines take over?
do you see how stupid AI players are biggrin:

if we ever did have to go to war against machines it would be guile and deceit all the way, computers are stupid strategists they think linear and cannot adapt.[/quote:55d63]

LOL

Yeah they'll run into the side of a building and keep their legs moving and not find a way to go around for a few hours.

[quote=pest]Yes and no. You keep taking my posts literally, word for word. By programming I meant tv programs, i.e. actors, writers, production assistants, etc, the works. I sited tv as a micro economy, not a macro, just to make a quick point. This isnt a disertation, just an informal discussion. Apply my reply to the economy as a whole, with many industries trasforming into many industries, and I said the same thing you did, just in my words, not yours.
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Well, not everyone in the world will be an actor, writer, or a production assistant. I think that, that industry will always belong to the elite few. In terms of the car, I'm pretty sure a person can design a can on his own. Not build, but design, eh actually a person can build a car on their own too.

Sorry, it just pisses me off when people post replies, such as "communism never worked and never will"......... what.. can some of you predict the future? Same thing with the giving away your PC........WTF? I'm not saying that you did these things, I'm just saying that I was annoyed by that when I was replying to your post. oOo:

Re: Communism is a really futuristic concept...or should we
 

[quote="Recycled Spooge":a7ece]Before you call me an evil commie, a warlord, or a backward medieval person, hear me out. As you see, machines are constantly replacing humans in the workstation. You can see that, at the turn of the previous century, farmers were driven out of their farms due to other farmers being able to do the work of ten farmers, since they were able to apply technology. Eventually, almost all workers will be replaced by technology and machines. How will people be able to work for a living? How will capitalism work in a technological society? The only way I see it, is by sharing all wealth equally, otherwise everyone will starve, or maybe we're supposed to die and let technology take over? Maybe that is the final chapter in evolution....


Thoughts?[/quote:a7ece]

preaching to the converted buddy!

hell I as a communist can even admitt that TRUE capatalism should work, but it doesnt. Hard workers do not get paid large amounts. Fat ass shits who sit on their ass all day get paid huge sums of money for their skills, or lack there of. My father has worked for the same company for 16 years, his boss got his job there a mere 7 years ago but is paid more than him but does less hard labour. Dare I mention the fact that my dad has a severe neck problem and heart complications and shouldn't even be doing heavy lifting!?

Capatalism has been bastardized just like Stalin bastardized communism.

And I as a very true beliver in communism unfortunatly know hat untill we as a WORLD come to the understanding that we cannot continue destroying each other and eventually become one planet with states could communism work.

As for the tech issue, its been shown we are in a form of evolution that is weakening our bone structure and our immune systems (all these shots). The only way to survive is to revert to an older way of life.

Anyways thats my opinion. and like i said, your preaching to the converted here!

BTW John Lennon (now dead former member of the beatles) was a very pro communist. Read/Listen to the song "Imagine" and its obvios.

No system can work properly because the human factor exists: you will
always have these people that absolutely need more than everyone else
but are not willing to work for it. Greed seems to be a very common sin
hake:

[quote="Recycled Spooge":28c2d]
Well, not everyone in the world will be an actor, writer, or a production assistant. I think that, that industry will always belong to the elite few. In terms of the car, I'm pretty sure a person can design a can on his own. Not build, but design, eh actually a person can build a car on their own too.[/quote:28c2d]

You are still missing the point. Please do not think that I am saying that the entertainment industry is the only thing affected. But to expand on that industry, they need cameras, fueling demand from the electroics and optics industrys, they need sets, fueling demand from carpenters, construction, concrete, timber, trucking, etc. They also need travel, catering, accountants, Movie theaters, it goes on and on. And each of those industries need products form other industries. All because we dont need as many farmers and have more free time. Yes, it is a generalization, quit being so literal. yes one person could design and/or build a car by himself, but the car would not, could not be econmically competitve in todays world. Its possible, but not practical. That is the flaw of communism, if there is no motivation to produce cheaper or more efficeint, why do it. No one likes change. I get paid the same if this car costs $5K to produce or if it costs $15K to produce. Why work a couple extra hours to ensure my company stays in business, if there is not theat of losing my job, or no incentives to make more for improved performance?

So far communism hasnt worked, it might look good on paper, but we've seen what happens when countries use it

China's been doing pretty good, along with Cuba

oOo:

*lights up a cuban cigar* mmmmm, pinkoliscious.

we will have to mix communism, and free enterprise.

well, if machines do take over all the mundane labor tasks, and everyone gets a good education, I don't see why a class system would exist any more. Everyone would have to be highly skilled specialists so there would no longer be the drastic difference between the skilled work force and teh unskilled minimum wage folks (these would not exist)