Why don't you beileve in God?
 

This question is mainly saying why dont you beileve in the Christian Religion. A whole bunch of people in these forums are Atheists, and i want to know why.

NOTE: This is a simple non-harmful question....pleaase no flames.

Basically because i dont see the whole concept of God being up there everywhere at the same time watching everyone, deciding everyones fate, as being at all plausible.
Im much happier with the idea of evolving from monkey type things rather than god making adam and a woman made from adams rib.
I dont beleive that one day god will come down and we will have to answer to him - because i dont beleive in such a being, i dont beleive if im bad i will go to hell. I dont beleive in reincarnation, except for if youre buried you might fertilise the grass, or if your ashes are scattered they might blow back into someones eye and cause them pain.
I want to be cremated when i die, and when i die i belive that thats the end of the road for me.

I am a non-believer because if there was a divine and holy being out there, then why is all this horrible shit happening?

OK, but Jesus did come down once already....and he said He would return.

So what do you think will happen after you die? nothing?

Wel, one day we'll be sure to find out.

We will turn to dust.

I object the phrase "but jesus did come down".
That is you stating that jesus DID come down, and therfore insinutaing anything i say is wrong. I chose to beleive that things like that just dont happen. i am not saying jesus didnt come down, however i dont beleive he did.
If you had read my post i said when i die thats the end of the road for me.

ditto

i beleive in god, hey jesus too. so this topic has nothing to do with me, except that i like spam. i also like battling the dark side.

swordfight: swordfight: swordfight:

There is another side ... the one that casues all the bad ... ??? Adam and eve .. surely you know of those guys ?? ?

Here are some theories:

Nature has a mix of good and evil (thorns have roses; dolphins live near sharks; a leopard kills for fun but is gentle with its cubs). And we humans have a mixture in us - we can give to charity and an hour later yell at someone we love.

Looking at the natural world (and yourself) is a bit like finding a computer with a virus. You see the careful, intelligent design but you can see it has a bug.


And, Jesus once said, ''Rain falls on everyone, good and bad.''

i'd like to believe theres something fantastic and unreal after we die, another life, however organised religion is just plain brainwashing.
its a fact that thru humans history we've learnt, adapted and grown more intelligent over thousands of years. when we've not had answers for things, we've always theorised, tryed to explain it in only ways we know how to. since propererly scientific answers had never been available to people hundreds/thousands of years ago, they had to put faith in something to find their answers. no-one has ever had answers, so her comes this book some fucking genius wrote and so it provided answers and stories that everyone could relate to. it provided excuses to humankinds inexperience. with this new faith and hope in the book, people could live by it, swear by it coz it can answer so many answers to the misinformed, its popularity and propaganda spreads over the world. people have faith in it. therefore its all organised and manufactured in a way..

Quite probably there was a guy called jesus who everyone looked up to, much like a politition these days, there were always guys going about saying wise and witty things to crowds of people.

You raise a good point about braimwashing myagi......last week at church i went to the toddler section and they were playing songs about how God is great....it made me think about braimwashing oOo:

and obviously i cant spell.....

[quote="Captain Bunny":199bd]

Quite probably there was a guy called jesus who everyone looked up to, much like a politition these days, there were always guys going about saying wise and witty things to crowds of people.[/quote:199bd]
That makes no sense. Please exlpian further....

Well there wasnt tv or anything in those days, and there was usually public speakers in market places who said things that people could learn from. Like for instance, one of those speakers could of said "love thy neighbour" and the people listening to him would have thougght "ooh, thats good advice, i'll have to listen to him more often" and they would tell their friends about him, and soon loads of people would come to listen to this guy. And if this guy happened to be called Jesus that everyone started following because he gave good advice....well im sure you can see my point now.

i dont believe in god because i find no evidence to support it..... unlike evolution. i find the religions that uphold the idea of jesus/creationism as very poorly disguised lies and marketing.

religion that focuses on spiritualism and enlightenment i could embrace but not one that revolves around a lie such as when you die you go to some magical happy camp. humans fear death... much is done to sell people on the idea that depending on what religion you follow you will be somehow benfitted over me. i think i dont need this type of belief in god as i dont fear death..... just as i didnt fear going to sleep last night. i have no memory of those 6 hours and was not a conscious being at the time yet it was not a scary experience.

I believe in God and frankly I don't give a sheeeeeit what you think!

Good for you!

well there have been over 20,000 memoirs and manuscripts uncovered from all over the Middle East about Jesus and his life, including his miracles, healings, crucifiction, and his rising from the dead. That is more than any other religion to date.

It gives me guidance in life, something that most of you have problems with..lol

Re: Why don't you beileve in God?
 

To answer your question, on why I don't believe in the CHRISTIAN religion, is because the Bible has been rewritten and redone over the past thousands of years. A lot of priests take advantage of their faithful for money or political gain. I consider religion as a limit to someone's thinking process. The Bible tells you how to think, and what to believe. You're not left with doing that on your own. Another reason on why I don't believe in the Christian religion is because of the Christians going into different lands and cultures, and destroying those cultures by replacing them with puritain or catholic culture; a culture of fear from the all powerful God. According to one Catholic book that I own, it is considered egotistical to have sex before marriage........?!?! Asking me to believe in the Christian religion is like asking me to become a person living in the life of fear because it is a sin to masturbate, or have dirty thoughts about other people; this was also taken out of my catholic book. If you want to see my number one reason on why I don't believe or accept the christian faith is this website... http://www.zboard.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

ZJAM!!!! not that crap again

Oh, and Jesus did exist, but he had short curly hair and a curly beard; he didn't look like they way he was idolized in various European, and then finally colonial, churches. Jesus existed, but that doesn't mean that he performed all these miracles. Muhammed also existed, and so did Buddha, so what does that tell you? Indeed, exactly nothing.

I agree, religion fucked up so many cultures, and now the naked tahitian girls know about shame and are no longer naked..... GODDAMMIT!

Re: Why don't you beileve in God?
 

[quote="Recycled Spooge":45097] The Bible tells you how to think, and what to believe. You're not left with doing that on your own. [/quote:45097]
What?!? The Bible doesnt tell you how to think, it tells you how you SHOULD think. It doesnt tell you what to beileve, it tells you what you SHOULD beileve in. Gawd, you make the Bible sound like Nazi Germany or something.......

[quote="Recycled Spooge":f292d]Oh, and Jesus did exist, but he had short curly hair and a curly beard; he didn't look like they way he was idolized in various European, and then finally colonial, churches. Jesus existed, but that doesn't mean that he performed all these miracles. Muhammed also existed, and so did Buddha, so what does that tell you? Indeed, exactly nothing.[/quote:f292d]
I guess the Bible nor all those manuscripts mean anything?

Maybe thats because its the oldest religion?


Let me ask you though, if you went to see david blaine, would you sit there and think "wow! amazing! he must be a messiah!"

or would you think "pfft, his tricks are all just an illusion"

some of the things david blaine does are hard to figure out - so if one guy can do magic tricks all those years ago, is it any wonder they would have been amazed at him.
So what if he was cruicified - i bleive he was crucified by the romans who saw him becoming a political threat, as his followers were starting to show their resent for the romans even more.
Resurection? isnt there just the slighest possible chance than some of his trusty friends rescued him, took him to a cave where he recovered.........or is that just not feesable for even just an instant. you said so yourself youre starting to beleive about brainwashing - so can you not also beleive that the whole concept of god might not be true?

Ok, so how did Jesus feed 5,000 people with 5 loafs of bread and 2 fish (i think thats right) ?? How did he walk on water?? And after he has finished all of God's tasks, how does he ascend up to Heaven? Surely his freinds couldnt help him do that........

Re: Why don't you beileve in God?
 

[quote=Vance1]What?!? The Bible doesnt tell you how to think, it tells you how you SHOULD think. It doesnt tell you what to beileve, it tells you what you SHOULD beileve in. Gawd, you make the Bible sound like Nazi Germany or something.......[/quote:19aa4]
And if I SHOULD not do what the Bible tells me and not believe what the Bible tells me I SHOULD believe, I'm guessing that I SHOULD go to hell. Yes, I thought so. I dont agree with Christianity or catholicism on abortion, anticonception, homosexuality, euthanasia, the death penalty...it never ends!! Now do you understand why I don't believe in the christian faith? What I get the biggest kick out of on the JZAM board is that some of them actually think that a catholic is not a christian. ROFL!

I'm glad everyone has different opinions, otherwise this world would be rather bland if everyone believed in christianity

Not true, you wont go to Hell for not beileving in Jesus. You just cant like, kill someone and stuff.......

Once again, I believe that he existed, but I don't believe in christian mythology and fable. You know, I've once read a story that he got married after he was crucified. People back then were impressed by things, that would not even seem to impress us one bit these days. Imagine if you put a modern day gymnist or an acrobat into that time period. The acrobat would have probably been considered a god too, like hercules, who also existed. oOo:

So far Spooge is the only atheist that is speaking some sense, also some of you agnostics are too. For all of you that don't believe i recommend doing a little research. Don't listen from word of mouth read a book. A good book to read is "Origin of Species" by George Darwin. He proved many things wrong in creationism...yet many things baffled him, stuff that no un-human/natural thing could create. Also if you research Roman history, there always was a census of the roman territories, in Jurselam(sp) there was 2 parents named Mary and Joseph whom had a child name Jesus (if i'm right Jesus wasn't a popular name back then ;) ).

You don't have to listen to me but do what you want its your eternity :) ...

-ktog3

Vance i dont know you hoped to achive with this thread. we are giving our reasons why we dont beleive in god or christianity, and you try to make it look as though we are wrong for thinking the way we do.
In short - i dont beleive in god because i think its a load of bullshit. im saying bullshit as you didnt seem to grasp what i meant by "not plausible".

...but Vance...how many were just LOL manuscripts..?..... eek:

I am using the Socratic method........aking you what you beileve in and making you back up your answers.

Copyright 200 B.C. by Socrates oOo:

[quote="Mr.X":fe8cf]...but Vance...how many were just LOL manuscripts..?..... eek:[/quote:fe8cf]
bwahahaha! biggrin:

You're better off feeding squirrels with your mouth than trying to argue about this topic...

I go to hell for not believing in God, and God is Jesus, at least in catholicism; the faith in which I seem to be most educated in. I'm assuming it is the same in all of Christianity, unless you use different Bibles.