I keeping thinking to myself this could possibly one of the best games ever... even though it is not out yet I feel like this has the potential to go down in history as one of the best games by far.

it could, it really could. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

maybe... just maybe...

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what i think thats stopping it is the fact that it is one main theme, ww2, which could stop it from being as popular, since some ppl arent interested in WW2, but other then that it could be a good game.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
what i think thats stopping it is the fact that it is one main theme, ww2, which could stop it from being as popular, since some ppl arent interested in WW2, but other then that it could be a big game.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
what i think thats stopping it is the fact that it is one main theme, ww2, which could stop it from being as popular, since some ppl arent interested in WW2, but other then that it could be a good game.

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Although some people aren't interested (look up facts, read about it, go out of their way to learn about it) in WW2, everyone KNOWS about it. There is almost no chance that you could walk up to someone, mention WW2 to them and get the response "WTF are you talking about". Everyone knows of, and hates Hitler, history (rightly) portrays him as a maniac, and a bastard. Most people would jump at the chance to kick the ass of his minions in any way, shape, or form. So, it's more likely that the WW2 background will sell the game, and not hold it back. There is a small chance fewer Americans will buy it (Maybe they're Looking for a 'Nam game?), but the setting will cause it to sell more other places in the world as appose to an "American Civil War" game. It affected the lives of everyone, in almost every country. So it will appeal to more people across the world then a game centered on a conflict in (just) American history.

So although it MAY sell less in America, you must always remember there are other markets, and since this game is about a war that affected the entire world, people of other countries will buy it too.

no, i know that ppl know about it, but most ppl dont know very much, they only know the basic reason of the war, and about hitler, so many ppl that i know know little or nothing about WW2, its not just that they dont watch movies and stuff and know facts, they just dont know much about it enough to care about the game, and as for it affecting the lives of everyone- that has nothing to do with if they would like to play a FPS about it. the only ppl that would be interested in this would be ppl that like WW2 in general (collect stuff, now facts) and ppl that have watched movies (mostly SPR) and and played games. dont turn this into another Hans flame war just because u have to choose an opposite opinion just for argument sake.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
no, i know that ppl know about it, but most ppl dont know very much, they only know the basic reason of the war, and about hitler, so many ppl that i know know little or nothing about WW2, its not just that they dont watch movies and stuff and know facts, they just dont know much about it enough to care about the game, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't need to know every detail about WW2 to enjoy the game. I know almost nothing about the "Cold War", and I play OP: Flashpoint all the time, it’s one of my favorite games. I didn’t even know what a BMP was until I played the game, and I didn’t care about the “Cold War” at all. Some people could be different, but just because someone doesn’t know about the setting of the game does not mean they won’t care about it.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>and as for it affecting the lives of everyone- that has nothing to do with if they would like to play a FPS about it. the only ppl that would be interested in this would be ppl that like WW2 in general (collect stuff, now facts) and ppl that have watched movies (mostly SPR) and and played games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I brought up the part about it affecting the lives of everyone, to show that not only Americans would be interested in the game. That it would help sell the game other places in the world, so it would make up for any lost profit in the US. I didn't mean that everyone would buy it because it affected the world, only that it would be more popular internationally then, say, an "American Civil War" game that would appeal mostly to Americans.


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dont turn this into another Hans flame war just because u have to choose an opposite opinion just for argument sake.

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WTF!? I'm not choosing the opposite opinion for argument sake. I have never, and will never do something so pointless, it would be a waste of my time. Did it occur to you that this just so happens to be my opinion, and I am choosing to express it (Just as you are doing)?

ROFL....play nice children...remember we are all here just to have fun...no reason not to end this conversation right here...

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Hans, you start fights all the time because of your "opinion", you see a post that someone has made, and u look at it, and think "well i see an opposite side to that, better say something..." and u do, starting shit like this, did u see how pidly my opinion was, and u disected it, it wasnt even like a fact, i was just stating that it wouldnt be as popular because not as many ppl like WW2, its not a very broad theme for a "best game ever made". And as far you not knowing anything about the cold war, but still playing operation flashpoint, that has nothing to do with it, operation flashpoint is just a very well known military game, everyone likes it, they dont care what war it takes place in. Im sure that if someone knew nothing about WW2 but the basic idea of it, and nothing more, they wouldnt choose to buy MOH:AA over say a Half-Life game..

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Put it this way:
When it first came out for PlayStation it was one of the most popular FPSs out. I still like it now. But this will probably break the mould and, by the looks of the screen shots, will be briliant. Not just graphically, but the fun factor will burst. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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"It doesnt matter if you havent gotten into an argument for months, thats because u have barely talked for months"

I posted a couple times a week, and didn't get into a fight, so that means I don't always get into a fight. Even if I did, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

"when u do talk it usually starts some fight, cuz your opinion is always the opposite."

So now I'm not allowed to have an opinion because you don't agree. To F*cking bad, I'm not going to change how I feel because some guy on a message board doesn't agree with me.

"And another reason you should stop having opinions is because it starts flame wars"

It takes 2 to have a flame war, arguments are between 2 people, it's not my fault you return to continue arguing with me. I have not problem talking (typing) this out with you. If you don't want to continue, simply stop replying. Don't say this is all my fault, when you keep coming back just as I am doing.

"and u never give up on them either, even when youre wrong and you're always wrong because you post stupid opinions that start arguments and then you get proven wrong but u stil dont give up."

You haven't proven me wrong, and cannot say I am wrong simply because I disagree with you. And when have I been proven wrong?

"And i dont care if ppl agree with me or not, i posted my opinion on why its not going to be the best game ever and it makes sense"

It doesn't make sense to me, I that’s why I'm here.

"most ppl dont know enough about WW2 to care about investing in a WW2 game."

And some people don't know a lot about the Cold War, but care about OP: Flashpoint, my example does not lose validity because it does not support your opinion.

"You arent doing exactly what im doing, i expressed my opinion on the topic, and it was truly what i feel, i didnt just post it to start a fight, you posted your opinion on my reply, its completely different, its what u always do, choose the opposite side of someones opinion on a another thing."

You do NOT decide what I say isn't how I feel, that is an utter and complete falsity, I am now, and always have put my complete and true feelings into a post. Do NOT tell me I can't feel the way I do because you don't agree with me. I choose the opposite opinion because it just so happens to be my opinion, you cannot, and will never be able to tell me that I do, or do not feel a certain way. Please stop acting like you can decide the way I feel, and warp it so it makes your opinion more valid, it just doesn't make sense.

"Operation Flashpoint is a Huge game! its very very popular because of just all the cool military stuff in the game, every gamer knows about it, almost NO gamers know about MoH:AA"

Again, tell me why this cannot happen to MOH. MOH includes "cool military stuff", and could become very popular when it is released, if it’s a good game, the setting won’t detract from the fun factor.

"if i go into a Counter-Strike game and mention MOHAA, no one will know what im talking about, if i mention OP:Flashpoint, they know exactly what im talking about, your example means nothing."

So why is DOD so popular, it's about WW2, and it's the most played "unofficial" half-life mod around.

"Aliens invading a research facility was nothing that realy happend, Half-Life is just a broader topic, it has fun military stuff, with killing aliens, killing scientist, and awesome graphics (well when it came out it did, it stil does..)"

Your in a research facility, aliens from another dimension invade, the military comes to clean up, and you end up going to the alien world to kill everything. That's the basic plot. I don't see how people could know anymore about that, then about WW2.

"and i said "A Half-Life Game" meaing any half-life game, like Counter-Strike or DoD"

DoD... there you go, a great example of a WW2 game that's popular.

"or whatever..And ppl dont need to know a great deal about WW2 to like it, but they have to know about WW2 in order to want the game, because i know that if someone didnt know anything about WW2, they would just buy some other game."

Almost everyone knows about WW2 (they know it happened), it's not like some civil war in a distant African country that happened 500 years ago. It's recent, and involved most of the countries in the world. It's in the movies, it's on TV, it's in books, it's at school, it's in your face at almost every turn. If you don't know that WW2 happened then you're probably blind and deaf. I don't think a scenario of someone walking up and picking out a MOH box, and then thinking "WTF is WW2" is a very likely one.

"And u do need to know about WW2 to like it more, because if u didnt know shit about WW2, then it wouldnt be fun using all the weapons, and playing all the major battlesw, and killing certain enemies etc."

So why is OP:Flashpoint so fun, I didn't know what a BMP was but I sure like running things over with it, I had only heard about a LAW once or twice but I like blowing stuff up with it, and I didn't know the T80 had reactive armor but I like driving it around the island. So why do I need to know the firing arc of a Panzer IV to enjoy MOH more?

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Okay now....i'm telling you...noone needs to hear this shit.
Got an opinion? Great. Yell at each other over ICQ or email. Not here. Get this shit off of here. I don't care to see it and i doubt much if anyone else does. Now lets cut the arguments here, and quit this shit ahead of the game chillun.
I swear, don't give me any of your defending yourselves shit either, because i don't want to hear it. Just cut the arguments here and don't post another thing on this thread, sound good?
Good.

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Hans, i dont give a fuck if you get all pussy on me and tell me that im bossing you around or tell me how it hurts your feelings when i tell you this but...SHUT THE FUCK UP, you just repeated yourself like 5 times in that essay and didnt include some of my points that proved you wrong, i dont give a fuck if u didnt know what a LAW was but u like using it, that means nothing, its a rocket launcher, who doesnt like blowing stuff up with it? i dont care what u have to say, i know that MOHAA wont be the best game ever, and for obvious reasons...im not even gunna get into, u can write another essay to this or do what u want, but im not replying to this thread ever again.

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Im to lazy to read everyones post on this thread. Each one is a novel long. Ill just say. MOH AA will be the best game ever made

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And how!

I think the strongest points are it's historical accuracy and it's brilliant graphics and level design!

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Personally i hate Operation flashpont. I had it a while back and didn't really like it. The graphics looked kinda weird, the character movement annoyed me and aiming was a pain in the ass.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Operation Flashpoint is a Huge game! its very very popular because of just all the cool military stuff in the game, every gamer knows about it, almost NO gamers know about MoH:AA<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Erm no, PC gamer uk have done 2 or 3 big previews on MOH:AA in the last few months. It was one of the biggest games at E3 and ects. How do you then come to the conclusion that "almost no gamers know of moh"? If anything its probably a better known game than operation flashpoint because of the e3 attention it got and the magazine previews. The magazines have started putting the omaha vids onto their cover discs as well btw.



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[This message has been edited by Gerard (edited September 30, 2001).]

I gotta say, Hans, as trua as that is, you just don't insult the special olympics...i mean, thats like kicking someone in the balls when they're already down...

I liked Operation Flashpoint: The fact is, it accomplished everything so many people have been begging for for so long...it had huge open spaces, lots of realism, accurate and absolutely beautiful recreations of modern military tactics, and most of all, somehow they used all that and still made it fun...

But that's just *my* opinion...I know there were some downsides too...confusing, lasted too long in many missions, embarrassingly difficult at times, poor graphics really. But to be honest, i went into the game knowing that the game was going to have those flaws, and i had a blast playing it!

Just as i know i will with MOH:AA!!! Although with MOH:AA, i know i won't have those same flaws!!!

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"Hans, i dont give a fuck if you get all pussy on me and tell me that im bossing you around or tell me how it hurts your feelings when i tell you this but...SHUT THE FUCK UP"

And I don't care how pissed you get at me, or how many times you tell me how I should feel so you can act like your opinions are valid. How about - YOU TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE, and SHUT THE FUCK UP? BTW, how would I go about getting all ‘Female sexual organ’ on you?

"you just repeated yourself like 5 times in that essay and didnt include some of my points that proved you wrong"

Didn't include points that proved me wrong? Such as?

"i dont give a fuck if u didnt know what a LAW was but u like using it, that means nothing, its a rocket launcher, who doesnt like blowing stuff up with it?"

You don’t "give a fuck" why? Because it's a point that shows your opinion does not apply to every situation? Again too f*cking bad.

"i dont care what u have to say"

Then stop replying. If you don't care about what I have to say, why come back to read it?

"i know that MOHAA wont be the best game ever, and for obvious reasons...im not even gunna get into, u can write another essay to this or do what u want, but im not replying to this thread ever again."

That's nice, goodbye.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Albow0001:
I gotta say, Hans, as trua as that is, you just don't insult the special olympics...i mean, thats like kicking someone in the balls when they're already down...
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That wasn't me who insulted the special olympics, although I wish I had thought of it, that was gerard.


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Hans, you start fights all the time because of your "opinion", you see a post that someone has made, and u look at it, and think "well i see an opposite side to that, better say something..." and u do, starting shit like this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you give me a reason why I should stop having opinions? Or is it just that YOU feel everyone should agree with you because you like it that way? I feel like expressing my opinions, and I am not going to stop just because you want me to. And what do you mean "all the time", I haven't got into an argument in months. How did you get "all the time" out of that?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
did u see how pidly my opinion was, and u disected it, it wasnt even like a fact, i was just stating that it wouldnt be as popular because not as many ppl like WW2, its not a very broad theme for a "best game ever made".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I disagree, I choose to express my opinion. You disagreed that this could be "the best game ever", and expressed why. Stop telling me not to do exactly what you are doing.


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And as far you not knowing anything about the cold war, but still playing operation flashpoint, that has nothing to do with it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That has everything to do with it. You gave me an example of you friends not knowing anything about WW2, and not caring about MOH. I gave you an example of me not knowing anything about the "Cold War", and being interested in OP: Flashpoint. To show you that what happened in your example will not happen to everyone.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
operation flashpoint is just a very well known military game, everyone likes it, they dont care what war it takes place in.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Give me a reason why this cannot happen to MOH:AA please.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kraut-kill3r:
Im sure that if someone knew nothing about WW2 but the basic idea of it, and nothing more, they wouldnt choose to buy MOH:AA over say a Half-Life game<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do they need to know a great deal about WW2 to enjoy the game? It's not like they would have anymore then the same basic idea about the "Aliens invade research facility" theme.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:

Can you give me a reason why I should stop
having opinions? Or is it just that YOU feel everyone should agree with you because you like it that way? I feel like expressing my opinions, and I am not going to stop just because you want me to. And what do you mean "all the time", I haven't got into an argument in months. How did you get "all the time" out of that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesnt matter if you havent gotten into an argument for months, thats because u have barely talked for months, when u do talk it usually starts some fight, cuz your opinion is always the opposite. And another reason you should stop having opinions is because it starts flame wars, and u never give up on them either, even when youre wrong and you're always wrong because you post stupid opinions that start arguments and then you get proven wrong but u stil dont give up. And i dont care if ppl agree with me or not, i posted my opinion on why its not going to be the best game ever and it makes sense, most ppl dont know enough about WW2 to care about investing in a WW2 game. And


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:
And I disagree, I choose to express my opinion. You disagreed that this could be "the best game ever", and expressed why. Stop telling me not to do exactly what you are doing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You arent doing exactly what im doing, i expressed my opinion on the topic, and it was truly what i feel, i didnt just post it to start a fight, you posted your opinion on my reply, its completely different, its what u always do, choose the opposite side of someones opinion on a another thing.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:
That has everything to do with it. You gave me an example of you friends not knowing anything about WW2, and not caring about MOH. I gave you an example of me not knowing anything about the "Cold War", and being interested in OP: Flashpoint. To show you that what happened in your example will not happen to everyone.
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Operation Flashpoint is a Huge game! its very very popular because of just all the cool military stuff in the game, every gamer knows about it, almost NO gamers know about MoH:AA, if i go into a Counter-Strike game and mention MOHAA, no one will know what im talking about, if i mention OP:Flashpoint, they know exactly what im talking about, your example means nothing.


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hans:

Why do they need to know a great deal about WW2 to enjoy the game? It's not like they would have anymore then the same basic idea about the "Aliens invade research facility" theme. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Aliens invading a research facility was nothing that realy happend, Half-Life is just a broader topic, it has fun military stuff, with killing aliens, killing scientist, and awesome graphics (well when it came out it did, it stil does..) and i said "A Half-Life Game" meaing any half-life game, like Counter-Strike or DoD or whatever..And ppl dont need to know a great deal about WW2 to like it, but they have to know about WW2 in order to want the game, because i know that if someone didnt know anything about WW2, they would just buy some other game. And u do need to know about WW2 to like it more, because if u didnt know shit about WW2, then it wouldnt be fun using all the weapons, and playing all the major battlesw, and killing certain enemies etc.



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WHAT THE FUCK! I fuckin' started this thread in the begining of sept.



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DIdja ?

yea so whats ur point?

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My point is that how easily people can just get pissed off on these forums for no reason on. Hans and KrautKiller go off on a rampage about who knows what. I first posted this way back in the begining of sept. and all of a sudden its back and people are yelling about some stupid shit.

Dont be a hypocrit... this was ended like 3 days ago and you brought it back, so lets just close this thread for good and no more replies...

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