Help! Low framrates even with my new geforce 4!
 

I have recently purchased a geforce 4 ti 4600 and to my surprise im getting a 20-40 fps in mohaa most of the time. Yes it will go to 50-90 but only in closed hallways and stuff. I have all the stuff on max but it should have a good fps for a geforce 4. What is wrong??? I have the latest drivers and everything.

I have 1ghz amd athlon
512 Ram
geforce 4 ti 4600

I have the Radeon 9700 Pro and also get low fps in some maps. By low I mean below 20 once in a while. From what I've read in the past some game engines depend just as much on your CPU as they do your GPU. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Quake3 engine with it's particulate effects are CPU hogs. I have a lowly AMD Athlon 950Mhz (for now) and it has become my weakest link. Your 1Ghz chip may be causing your problem.

Anyone else out there have any ideas?

Same here. Put in a Ti 4600 and I had almost no improvement in FPS. There are other improvements in other games but I also believe that some game engines devour the CPU.
You could always lower your resolution though, that should get your FPS up.

What is wrong???
Your cpu.


Your cpu is not for a g4ti4600. You need to have at least a 1.8ghz to use your g4 at is maximun. You are not taking the full potential of the card whit this slow cpu .


Me too i did the same mistake as you.
Now i have a 2ghz.
whit ddr333


My graphics are not even set to the maximum whit this config because i need at least 50fps to be good.

Ummm we all did same mistake ....


Its useless to have a readeo 9700 whit a 950mhz cpu.
I think its better havea 2ghz cpu whit a radeon 7500.

My motherboard supports up to an AMD Athlon 1800+. Is that sufficient to get the maximum performance from my or holy_might's cards?

Support??? yea ok but what is your cpu?


Supported cpu is just an information....


you confuse me sorry i am a ==> oOo:

I'd recommend a faster processor too but you definitely don't need one. Turn off VSync and your frame rates will shoot right up. My frame rates rarely drop below 90 with max everything and 4x AntiAliasing enabled.

check your drivers man. do you have the latest ones from http://www.nvidia.com? check that out and see if that helps

What is VSsync?

try: Com_maxfps 300

lol or!

Com_maxfps 5

thx for all ur help guys. But i have just a few more questions...

I was thinking of upgrading my processor anyways but i have a question about the vsync thing. Where do u find it? and where do u find the AntiAliasing thing? I may sound like a newb about this but u can only learn by asking questions.

I also have a problem with fps in unreal2003 the demo, almost same low frames but i noticed a great increase in bf1942, i think it is my processor.

Btw, i upgrading all my drivers for everything, i mean everything!

I'm gonna get an amd athlon 2200+(1.8 ghz) and ill let u kno how it turns out. If theres no improved fps then its something wrong with the card.

well, it's a term used to describe how a graphics card renders and displays an image to the monitor...with vsync on (which is default)...the graphics card draws one frame of a scene and waits for the monitor to display it before starting the next frame....with vsync off it'll draw one frame, and then immediately starts on the next frame - whether the monitor is ready for it or not.

[quote="holy_might":6a85a]I was thinking of upgrading my processor anyways but i have a question about the vsync thing. Where do u find it? and where do u find the AntiAliasing thing?
I'm gonna get an amd athlon 2200+(1.8 ghz) and ill let u kno how it turns out. If theres no improved fps then its something wrong with the card.[/quote:6a85a]

Would you like to know what antialiasing does first? It'll give you a massive decrease in frame rates but your games will look much much better....you know how you always see the little jaggies on curved lines? Antialiasing blends colors around the stairsteps of the jaggies so that they appear to be smooth lines...the higher level of antialiasing you use the more of a frame rate decrease you will see. I use it because 90+ fps is more than enough to play on and the game looks so so so much better.
Anyways, you can find options for antialiasing and vsync in your video settings..I don't know what OS you're using but you should know where your monitor settings are located (where you can change the resolution and color quality)...just go into there and click on advanced...it'll be in there but the exact location in there depends on what drivers you're using

Can I make a recomendation? You said your mobo is good up to 1800+..so i'm assuming you're getting a new mobo? I wouldn't go with the athlon 2200+. ermm...do you know how amd differs from pentium?
the athlon does 3 clock cycles for every 1 that a pentium does. You cannot compare the two processor brands directly against eachother as this would be like comparing apples to oranges. That's why AMD changed the way they name their processors...take the Athlon XP 2200+ that you want. It actually runs at 1.8Ghz but....it's just as fast as a pentium 2.2Ghz. hence the 2200+ portion of the name. If I were you I would spend the small amount of extra cash and get an Athlon XP 2800+...It runs at 2.25GHz but is the equivelant of a 2.8Ghz pentium. It's also the first AMD chip that runs with 333Mhz FSBwhich is a good good thing.

you can find a good review of it below...although the only bad part is that it won't be ready for 2 more months or so...if you can wait that long.
[url="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q4/021001/"]http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q4/021001/[/url]


a little long winded but i hope i helped at least a little.

Yeah turn off v-sync. left click on your desktop and go into your video card properties, Its in there.
Im running a 1.1Ghz Celeron (heh heh) oOo: with a Geforce 3 Ti 200 and 512 megs of ram. I run MOH:AA at 1024x768 with most details at high some at med. My avg fps is 43fps but if theres alot going on, on the screen it does drop to the low 20s high teens, still playable. I'm also running nvidias newest beta drivers 40.76 i think it is. They work real well on most games.

I didn't mean to steal holy_might's thread but...

I'd rather not get a new motherboard. I currently have an AMD Athlon 950Mhz. The motherboard I have now will support up to an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ (1.53Ghz : 266 Mhz FSB). If this is sufficient to get max performance from my video card I'll stick with this plan. If not I guess I should consider getting a new motherboard and the latest AMD...

I came across something with my buddy yesterday. We decided to check my powersupply and its only 250w, when most are around 350w. Could this put a hurt on my overall geforce 4 performance?

Sure it could. Check the specs for your card. You may be underpowered.

The R9700 Pro requires a minimum 350W supply and it's own connection to it.

At 1024X768, 32-bit colors, max everything, I still get 10FPS on Omaha sometimes, and I have:

P4 2.0Ghrz
512MB PC-800 RDRAM
GF Ti 4600
Win XP

MOH is just a system hog. Just because you have a great video card dosen't mean the game's going to work perfectly.

[quote="holy_might":37718]I came across something with my buddy yesterday. We decided to check my powersupply and its only 250w, when most are around 350w. Could this put a hurt on my overall geforce 4 performance?[/quote:37718]

that would definitely be it. The Geforce 4 line requires a 350W PSU...My ti4600 worked fine with the 300w on my system but once i reformated it no longer works...i spoke to a couple people i know that are techs and they said the same thing happened to them and once they got a better PSU it worked fine again.(i'm going to england next week so i don't have the spare cash to get one..stuck with my old geforce2 pro till then..ick)
I would definitely definitely get a new PSU before shelling out for a new processor if I were you...want some simple advice for buying a PSU

brand names are actually VERY important...a 300w brand name PSU would be better than a 400w no name brand....I recommend getting at least a 450W brand name PSU if I were you.

most people don't realize just how important a good quality power supply is to their system..

you may have been asked this already or have said but i cant be assedt to read it all but is it by any chace a gainward? if it is i had the exact same prob what it is the graphics card overheats and eventually u get this pink screen come up and it fuks up everything and u have to reboot

[quote="ST_Bazooka_Joe":87276]At 1024X768, 32-bit colors, max everything, I still get 10FPS on Omaha sometimes, and I have:

P4 2.0Ghrz
512MB PC-800 RDRAM
GF Ti 4600
Win XP

MOH is just a system hog. Just because you have a great video card dosen't mean the game's going to work perfectly.[/quote:87276]


ack! you shouldn't be dropping that low..I don't even drop that low with the temporary 64Mb GeForce 2 Pro I have sitting in my pc.

[quote="DEVILS ADVOCATE":a69a5]you may have been asked this already or have said but i cant be assedt to read it all but is it by any chace a gainward? if it is i had the exact same prob what it is the graphics card overheats and eventually u get this pink screen come up and it fuks up everything and u have to reboot[/quote:a69a5]

if you're still having that problem I'd recommend one or all of three things...
either
a) underclock your card just a bit
b)increase your case cooling..add more fans and/or change the stock fans with high performance fans
c)thermaltake has a great fan replacement kit for the geforce4 ti's...it'll cool your card much better than the stock fan....it comes in two flavours...boring and modded ;)

[url="http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chipset/g4coolmod.htm"]http://www.thermaltake.com/products/chi ... oolmod.htm[/url]

i still got a geforce 2 64mb on a pentium 3 1.0 GHz, 256ram and with medium graphics setting i still get around 30-40 fps, not too bad and i dont really care if my graphics dont look absolutly perfect, so this works well for me.

i can't find how to turn off vsyc .

Its in the video settings ???

I got a ti 4400

Yeah turn off v-sync. left click on your desktop and go into your video card properties, Its in there.
Ok look, Left click on your desktop/click on properties/click on settings/click on Advanced/ok mine is a geforce3 but on your it should say Geforce4 ti4400 click on it/now depending on what drivers you have it might be diffrent, but mine is under openGL settings. Theres a "always off" setting use it. Hope that helps you some

going to get a new power supply not just for my geforce4, but for my whole sytem. Hopefully that will solve my problem, but if not im getting it so my psu doesnt burn up. Also does anyone kno what kind of brand to buy from? Im looking for a 250-400w psu.

Well i had the same problem.
I upgraded to a new card and my Frame rate dropped..
I did a lot of investigation. (not joking, A LOT!)

I had a AMD Tbird 1 gig with 512mb pc133
What I found was with Nvidia making these extreme cards, they dont tell you that you need a bad ass comp to use it. The frame rates they promiss can be done. Most frame rate tests are done on dual prossesor machines or overclocked.
I was pretty pissed off myself. Spent 400 bucks for a card and my frame rate dropped.
What you are getting is normal and with the setup you have now. there is nothing you can do about it.
Basiclly your Processor and memory is bottle necking it.
Your going to have to get a new machine in order to take full advantage of the GeForce4

I went on to build a new machine
AMD 1.733mhz
1 gig pc3200 extreme ddr
asus 333 motherboard (piece of crap) getting the new nvidia motherboard soon enough.
40gig ATA 133 hard drive
431w powersupply
Custom case, with a lot of fans for cooling

Now.. Its extremly hard for my frame rate to get lower then 60
I would go with AMD
Stay away from Intel

I have built a lot of machines and AMD has always out performed Intel.
Intel is good for 1 thing. Less need of service (cleaning)
When people come to me with "I want the ultimate gaming machine" I sell AMD
When people come to me with "I want a up to date office machine" then they get Intel.

I get these issues all the time from people.. Its a shame they never came to me first.
I wouldnt point you in the wrong direction. I have been there. Lived it.. Pissed off..

I don't think is right anymore .

I think intel is even whit amd now and maybe better .

power supplies...in my opinion..best to worst

PC Power & Cooling
TTGI
Antec True Power
TT
Enermax
Raidmax
PowMax is at the bottom

check out this one..i've heard nothing but good things about it and the price is definitely nice.

http://www.aicmicro.com/productdetail.asp?id=6771

Are you running all the game specs at full? Weather Conditions? Compressed Textures off? V-Sync on? Volumetric Smoke on? I am, this might be why.