Illegal Name on MOHAA Server
 

Hey all, thought you guys might wanna give this some thoughts. Got an email from a unix admin who I think played on my server.

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IceVirus01

Today (5 Nov 02, about 2210) a player with the following name is playing on your server: IceVirus-TDM Server | Realism | Stock Maps | 4 private slots (64.124.119.18:12203)


waffen-ss-execute jews

This a hate name and under the law constitute a hate crime. When you get the chance please add his/her name to your player removal software. I will turn all this information over Secret Service (Handles Computer Crimes) and the FBI (for possible investigation of a Hate Group). Please be careful, as law is pretty plain. If you have knowledge of person or person(s) doing this type of activity you could held liability under Federal/States statutes. Also if you are running a server, it DOES NOT lessen your liability because you are not there. I would strongly advise you to check in every once in a while. Because I do like your server, I'm giving you warning in advance.


Mr. Richard I. Bartlett
Senior System Security Engineer
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Any advice on this? Thanks for all the helps.

I'd ignore it. It's a game and people use idiotic handles all the time. Just look at the internet in general. Freedom of speech.

yeah just ignore it, somoe people take the game to seriously

I would see if they mean anything by it. If so do something about it. There is no room in this small world for ppl like that. First it's something small like that next thing it's a 9-11. I am sorry my friends, there is no freedom of speech! Just court dates.

Absolute BS. The fact that you allow someone with a distasteful name play on your server is your choice. Mr. Richards is free to go to another server and it is not his right to dictate how yours is run/moderated.

[quote:3818b]removal software.[/quote:3818b]

This part of his statment implies that he only expects you to add his name to a 3rd party program such as "AutoKick". If you do not run such a program his demand cannot be met and therefore his threat is invalid. Thats nit picking his statment, but if you have no rcon experiance with banning its inpractical.

Leave the situation alone. If the name offends you or hinders game play by making others mad, then simply ask the person to change there name.

This is just rediculas.

It's not BS, All that written is true! Your story is BS, about wanting his name in a 3rd party software. It depends on what he wants to do. Like I said if there is anything meant by it do something. You all need to study the laws. Before you go on the internet and start having names like that. A Jewish Organization could easily go after that!

Re: Illegal Name on MOHAA Server
 

tell him to go fuck himself.

sounds like BS to me also, it's your server you can do whatever the fuck you want with it, even ban IceVirus01 for fun biggrin:

I don't want to turn this into a flame-bait discussion, but I have a viewpoint that I think should be heard.

I am a Civil War reenactor. I do both Union and Confederate. By what you are saying about "Hate Groups", does that place me in that category? Some southerners owned slaves, and I am reenacting that side. Does that mean that all Confederate reenactors should be locked up because it appears as a "hate crime"? No.

On that same note, should all WWI and WWII German reenactors be frowned upon because they choose to recreate that side of the war? Think about it.

There's a difference between carrying out a hate crime and having a dumb name.

That didn't make any sense. eek: This is not "reenacting" as you want to call it.

I didn't mean let the guy use that name if you see it...i'd personally boot his ass no questions asked...I just meant that from a legal standpoint, nothing can be done.

You think so huh. Man you must not get out much. No offense, but I work at a goverment complex and you should see all the cases that are filed. This could easily be one!

I know this isn't reenacting, but this post implies the same thing. What I have been reading is that all potential hate groups should be locked up. In the minds of some sorry people, reenacting a time in history is as so-and-so's army is a hate group.

I'd boot the person, personally.

Not comparing a video game to reenacting, believe me...but the way some people are discussing this, it falls into the same category.

I'm sorry but I have never seen ppl say that reenacting falls under a hate group. That must be some of them weird folk.

If a jewish organization was to go after that i would laugh my ass off. They would have to sue every single server admin the man has ever set foot into with that name. Then proceed to prosocute the user of the name. This would be the most assinine case ever put forth in the system to date.

There isnt jack shit this man can do to stop the other from using the name.

In that case, why can't SC fly the Confederate flag over their capital?

Because African American's view it as a hate symbol.

Therefore, I would believe that we must be viewed as a hate group for reenacting under that banner. I have heard that what we do is totally wrong for American's to view.

Is it me, or did it just get hot in here?

This does not have anything to do with accusing the server only the player. It simply states to ban the player from the server. But if you allow it to continue with knowledge of the intents then trouble could brew.

[url=http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/flag000413.html:fa4a9]This is why SC cannot fly the flag![/url:fa4a9]
[quote:fa4a9]"Opponents of the flag see it as an ugly reminder of the region’s racist history. For others it has been a symbol of pride"[/quote:fa4a9]

Not because of reenacting issues!

"Opponents of the flag see it as an ugly reminder of the region’s racist history. For others it has been a symbol of pride."

'“Some will argue with that but I think for an awful lot of white Southerners, it is a symbol of their tribe, connected to the Civil War,” Wyman said, adding that their pride comes from what they see as a fight for freedom, not on memories of slavery"'

'“It’s honorable to fight for the freedom of your country. But they overlook this side that others see as an emblem of racism,” Wyman said.'

I thought this is basically what I said?

How do you connect "a fight for freedom" with "reenacting"?

This is totally soaring over your head...

Reenacting is NOT a fight for freedom. The Civil War was a fight for freedom among the South. All this hoopla about fighting for slavery is a myth. The south wanted to become a seperate nation, and took up arms to do so. I am NOT saying that reenacting is a way of bring back the "fight for freedom" as we are terming it.

I debated posting this, and now I know why. Sorry to ruffle your feathers.

There's no ruffles here. I like your opinions! Normally ppl only have a few things to say b/c they don't know what they are talking about. I like to give facts. I think this went a little off topic too. lol

I think you intended to use the word 'won'. Personally, I would love to see someone try to prosecute this one. I mean, if, for some strange reason, it did end up in court, the person using the name (who is more than likely under the age of 16) would just have to say that the waffen ss did execute jews and he was simply stating a fact. ->insert rolling eye smilie here<-

Wow you guys can argue over anything, lol. I added that name to my autokick , why not just do that if you have it running instead of arguing about a law. I don't think it would go anywhere in court either, but that name is BS and it only take two seconds to add it to autokick. That's just a stupid name and doesn't need to be used.
Dean

I say ban the guy sending you threats. That way he wont see the name that offended him on your server again. Problem solved.

Technically the guy may have a point, but trying to bring a case like that to trial is unreasonable. He's bluffing.

You just got that,because it says "execute jews"if that was 'kill niggers" I don't think they would bother.

well it is just a game, but all these hate names and names of evil people do get out of hand sometimes. i see alot of names like, Bin Laden and DC Area Sniper and Super Jew. shit like that can take offense, even though its just a game. not much you can do, but add the names to the banlist.

my 2 cents.

cya

Re: Illegal Name on MOHAA Server
 

No I meant ONE

It's not a matter of that, but if I were Jewish, I would be offended by a name like that. Just like if it were Waffen-SS-hang blacks, Id get mad if I were black, too.

whoa..this is crazy...first off, to the re-enactment guy: Dude, acting out civil war battles is not racism, if you were acting out slave trades, or acting as slave owners it would be different. Also when you fly the General Lee, does it say "execute (insert racial slur)"? Not likely, so it's safe to say that reinacting the civil war is not a racist act, nor is flying a confederate flag.

But, when people in the house around the corner from me hung an SS flag (with swastika, and bars), in their front window, i asked the cops if it was a Hate Crime and they said YES, Therefore what designates a hate crime is the proximity to the person who can be offended, in otherwords has the offender given them the choice to ignore said hate crime. Basically if you print and sell nazi propaganda, its not considered a hate crime, but if you stuffed that propaganda into peoples mailboxes, foregoing their choice to view it, it becomes a hate crime.

In this case, said individual has chosen a name which implies hate, and by joining the server, is not giving others the choice to ignore it. Unfortunatly for the host, its a crime to not report a crime, so therefore the host can be held liable for harbouring hate crime, or providing a forum for it (i.e. the server). But the real question is, would anyone take it that far?

The user with the inappropriate name is most liable, so i would ban him, who likes racists anyway? and if that is supposed to be funny, well, how funny is 6 million deaths? Not at all funny, not at all.

just reread it..sorry, my bad :)

oh my god... you must be a name nazi. you take this waaaaayyy to seriously..

HEY LOOK!!! HIS NAME HAS A K IN IT!!! LETS SEND IT TO BLACK PEOPLE PROTECTION FBI SERVICE.

Dude... there are some kids who play this game not knowing what happened in WWII...

I'm sure the FBI doesn't give two shits about names in computer games.

I know that CW reenacting is NOT acting out racism...otherwise, I would not be doing it. I simply stated that some people view it as exactly that.

Re: Illegal Name on MOHAA Server
 

My kind of name!

Re: Illegal Name on MOHAA Server
 

[quote="Hans-AlbinVonReitzenstein":99085]My kind of name![/quote:99085]

Leave it to you to bait them... hake: