So what do you call a cheat?
 

Cheat = Anything that gives you an advantage over someone else playing

Ok, lets say that any wallhack, bright single colored skin, or aim bots are a given as a cheat. After that what else would be concidered a cheat? I have looked through the mods that are hosted here and I see several things that I would concider a cheat. brightly colored but somewhat historically accurate skins, bright colored non WW2 skins.

Now lets talk about crosshairs, I see hundreds of crosshair/scope mods out there, Why, well because the stock crosshairs are not as good as a nice little pinpoint and these other scopes and crosshairs that make it easier to pinpoint that shot. Not to mention the ones that take away all the black around circle or the ones that make it easier to see in the shadows.

What about sound mods, I have downloaded several sound mods, trying to find one that I like. I downloaded one that everytime you an allied sniper shoots it say" In he and whom I trust" or something like that. Its from the SPR movie, right before Jackson gets killed. I realized that this still said it even when I was axis, thus letting me know when a allied sniper was close to me. Same when you make the weapons sounds differant, In no time its very easy to tell what weapon is being fired and how close it is and what you should do to counter it.

Blood mods, OK, how many times have you been shot or shot someone with the rifle and seen that poof of blood and now that the health is down its time to break out the pistol and finish them off. With out the blood mods its not nearly as easy to tell when you have shot someone.

I'm not saying that i don't use these things, for me I use, clowncrosshair, drbonds scopes, fubah SPR sounds, bodypoof, and paintball (not that this helps with anything just think its funny seeing all the missed shots everywhere). Why do I use these, because I like them more then the stock ones and I think they help me play better. I don't have any skins because I prefer to play with out forced skins and I have all the stock one memorized so its easier to kill quicker when you don't have dozens of other posibilites running around. ( although it seems all I ever see is manon, afrika private) and yes I know why a lot of people use those.

Now what about the game settings, I personally have a real pos computer, to even keep my FPS around 40 I must have all the video settings set as low as they can go. But guess what when I do that some of the players models bleed through the walls when they stand to close to them( not always just in a couple of places). So I can see where there standing. So what am I suppose to do about that? If I turn my setting up to where I can't see them then my FPS go to 20-30, which means I have no chance in a close battle when the firing makes my fps go even lower.

So since I use those mods does that make me a cheater? Truthfully I don't know, I know I enjoy the game more with these mods in and I think they make me play better. Would I get booted from your server for this? I play on a lot of the better servers, i'm on the 84th. OSS, and others a lot, I prefer sniper/rifle only servers.

p.s. I would play on the 84th more if they would make one of them team instead of most of the time being Free For All

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I agree with most of what you said. Skins ahould ALL be legal or ALL not legal. This garbage of letting some in and not others doesnt sit well with me. And by skins I mean weapons and scopes too, not just uniforms. The blood mod is actually a cheat also, although I use it. When I first install it, it did wonders for my aim, especially if my ping was creeping up. It would have been nice if it was included with the game and could be toggled on and off. Now some of you are going to say that your clans skins, or your scope arent giving you an advantage, and that may be true, but how do I know that, and how can an admin know that just by reading the file name thru delator? All or nothing. Obviouly wallhacks, no fog, no recoil, no glare, neon nades, and transparent doors are all blantant hacks, but what about removing the shield from the panzerschrek (sp?)?

There is no one answer and it all depends on your interpertation of whats fair. Just remember, admins set the rules, so cheaitng changes from server to server. And just because you think its fair doesnt necessarily make it so.

I prefer to play with a mostly stock game. I do use DrBonds crosshair but that is all. What gets me is the epeleptic (sp?) guys running around with keys binded. If I see many of those I just find a different server where more people play like I do. I like the paint ball idea though to help my aim (I need it) but I doubt I will add it
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once again, i have to say that common sense should prevail, most of those mods (blood, crosshairs, etc.) are available to the entire gaming comunity, through this site and others like it. But wallhacks and other cheats are developed by cheaters for cheaters, and have the implicit purpose of taking advantage of the other players, and the server, but seem to really exist so that cheaters can somehow feel superior to others cuz they know how to write/change computer programs... i guess it's sorta sad, cuz really they could be playing the game and improving the skills they need to bolster through cheating, or anything else instead of hackin' away like some geek.
i'm pretty surer most cheats are nerds, with to much time, and no real gaming skills...so dude, i'd say use your crosshairs and blood etc., everyone else does or can, but stay away from the real, what i call "coward" cheats, like object spaws, re-spawns, wallhacks, and all the others that make a game boring and too easy.

I use a blood mod as well as a custom crosshair and scope as well (and i don't consider it cheating) but...going from what you just stated, neon skins wouldn't be considered cheating because you can get them through this site and others like it.

[quote="bukdez"]once again, i have to say that common sense should prevail, most of those mods (blood, crosshairs, etc.) are available to the entire gaming comunity, through this site and others like it. [quote]

So are bright skins OK? They are available and hosted here. And who gets to decide which sites are OK to get mods from? The majority of gamers dont know how to mod their game. Does that mean they should have to play at a disadvantage?

both absolute, and pest bring up good points, as for bright-skins, i did say "common sense", right? I think that using bright skins in a game with human-styled characters is cheating, as they no longer even resemble models of humans, and serve no other purpose than to cheat. Blood mods add a realistic flair to the game, and crosshairs are really a personal choice, i play with people who refuse to edit the original, on the basis that the new ones don't help game play...again I try to stress some sensibility in modifying the game.

Pest brings up a muc touchier point though, what you say is true, many people dont have access to mods, and no one controls them, and you are right to imply that some players are then at a disadvantage....really good point, gotta think about that, i think you got me there....

it's funny, cuz when i added crosshairs, and blood, or any visual mod, i had no thought of it improving my gameplay (and to be honest, i don't know if they have), i just thought they looked cool...

hmmm.. still common sense, bright-skins are such an obvious cheat, regardless of their availability

We need new topics.

I use a crosshair (er...heh...dot), and that is all. But I wouldnt say that the blood mod is a cheat. It may let you see more easily that you are hitting someone, but that doesnt necessarily give you an advantage.

But the bright skins are definitely a cheat. I dont even like it that people use force models with stock, but I do understand that some people have to for the reason it shipped with the game: to help lower tech PC's handle the rendering. But if I'm in the Elite Sentry model (black, eh?) and hiding in the shadows, then I expect to be able to ambush you. But if you are forcing me to be neon blue or red, then I'm outta luck.

To me, that is wrong for the same reasons wallhacking is wrong. Plain and simple.

bright skins, wallhacks, window hacks, door hacks, and client side modded guns are all cheats to me. the rest i dont care.

[quote="ST_Bazooka_Joe":5008a]We need new topics.[/quote:5008a]

I agree. Actually, I think people need to get a life. Obviously everyone's waiting for Spearhead and can't think of anything better to talk about. Remember just a month or two ago when this forum was being overrun with messages of how to do this, and how to do that. Now it's just simply, this is a cheat, this isn't... this clan was cheating, this guy's a hax0r... c'mon ppl. Sure these are issues, but letting it get to you to the point that we have to continually post new threads about what's considered cheating and what isn't? sheeesh... oOo:

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Yes Jasper, you've proved your point. Both you and Joe are annoying. biggrin:

[quote="Bleed_4_Me":aa4ef]Yes Jasper, you've proved your point. Both you and Joe are annoying. biggrin:[/quote:aa4ef]

The only thing more annoying than the same threads over and over is having the same people whining about them over and over. You guys should thank the starter of this thread for giving you a good opportunity to spam.

I don't spam! I try like hell to make people laugh at what I say. I TRY! oOo: It doesn't always work!

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That's for calling me annoying. heh

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Touche' Mon Bazooka Spammer!! lol zooka:

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well, let's say we consider very bright skins cheating... Am I a cheater then when I turn off ALL the eye candy? So LOW world detail etc. Except for skin detail (highest / max), a resolution as high as possible (1280x1024 / 1600x1200) and my brightness set to 100% (both software and hardware). This way I can easily see EVERYTHING! Even the lame sniper dude that is sitting in the shade under the stairs won't remain hidden to me... cool:

Am I a cheater then? I don't think so, although this way I can see even more than the people that use the neon-skins.... oOo:

eatthis:

[quote="n00b-o-MaTiC":6b1d7]well, let's say we consider very bright skins cheating... Am I a cheater then when I turn off ALL the eye candy? So LOW world detail etc. Except for skin detail (highest / max), a resolution as high as possible (1280x1024 / 1600x1200) and my brightness set to 100% (both software and hardware). This way I can easily see EVERYTHING! Even the lame sniper dude that is sitting in the shade under the stairs won't remain hidden to me... cool:

Am I a cheater then? I don't think so, although this way I can see even more than the people that use the neon-skins.... oOo:

eatthis:[/quote:6b1d7]

Good question.

Why was this brought back from the dead??!

It's like the clap..it flares up every now and then.

Not that I'd know from experience... .:shifty eyes:.


Zone

Gross d00d.

You know they got drugs to care of that, you might wanna get some before your unit falls off.

Why do people keep bringing up this topic as Joe said its been talked about enough, i think we are old enough to decide whats cheating and whats not. Let it go.

Let me see I think I will go post a topic about leaning/straffing....thats never been done.

Now that we've gone totally off subject..

A cheat is technically defined as anything that gives you an unfair advantage over your enemy that they cannot use. But this also means that if someone with a wallhack is facing someone with a wallhack that it isn't an unfair advantage, but it is a cheat.

Blood mods, custom crosshairs and scopes and custom skins that are not bright are not cheats in my opinion.

BTW.. has anyone else thought of this?

Let's say we get into a war with Iraq and we have bullets that can track down our enemies and things that can see through walls, is that cheating? Just something to make you think.

[quote="ST_Bazooka_Joe":1adbe]Why was this brought back from the dead??![/quote:1adbe]

Maybe because its noob-o-matic's 1st post ever, so should we expect him to not dredge up things that we have all talked about before?

Nice way to welcome someone to the forums. At least he didnt start it all over as a new topic. hake:

This is true.

Messageboards/forums are there for everyone to talk about their topics of interest. The good thing about forums (opposed to a guestbook which would only support one dialogue) is that you can run multiple discussions at a time.
If you don't care about a topic, you stay away from that topic, and let the others talk through their thoughts on the subject. If you follow every thread on the board, you most likely have no life. If you feel the need to spam other topics because they are of no interest to you, you most likely are under 12 years of age, or under 12 years of mental age.

On the subject:
I don't see how blood mods give you an unfair advantage as it would help determining if you did or did not hit someone. In that case my headphones are a cheat too.
If you listen very carefully when you run and suddenly stop, land after a jump or something like that, you'll hear a sound that resembles closing a barn door or something. This sound is also bound to when you hit someone on the head/upper body. It has a very distinctive metal kind of sound in the beginning, and although it is played on very low volume compared to all the other sounds around, the trained ear can pick it up in the middle of a fight every time. This will accurately define a good hit, and will produce an even better effect than the blood mod, as it even works at very large distances.
And no, it's not a mod, I re-installed the game from the original disks to make sure it is in the official moh:aa package. You do need *good* headphones though.

Of course, since everyone wants to be historically accurate, a sniper would see a very large puff of blood if they did their job correctly.

I disagree on the historical value of the blood mod (I only said it doesn't matter in terms of cheating).

1) Bullet impacts do not generate large sprays of blood. They only do so in the movies. It can, now and then, happen that you see some blood flying out, but it's not very likely. The reason for this is that a large area around the path and impact spot of the bullet is compressed, and thus all blood is forced out of the tissue away from the damage done by the bullet. Blood only appears a second or so after impact, as then the vessels opened again. Which brings us to point 2:

2) The uniforms in those days were so thick, they would not let blood through within a minute or so. You could be bleeding like a nut, you would not see anything on the outside. Those uniforms tended to gather rather a lot of dust, and this is why you do see some small dust puffs on impact. Any incidental blood on impact (see point 1) would be catched by the uniform.

This only leaves for an incidental blood spillage when hit in the head, and possible stains afterwards, but seeing the whole picture a blood mod is more unrealistic than spot on.

Yeah.. except that I've seen someone shot with a .30 calibur rifle in real life, and there is most definitely blood. And as far as the blood spurting out of the uniform, that is also accurate, and here is why:

During WWII, they didn't use explosive rounds. Hollow tips, etc. So the bullet entered the body at a high rate of speed and created a vacuum. Once the bullet either lodges or exits the body, the vacuum is lost creating a very intense and opposite reaction, sending the blood spurting like a fountain.

Vacuum evenly attracts body tissue and air, but as air is lighter (thus accelerated faster) and has less resistance to flow (less viscous) the blood splat will not be very large.

It is true that some of todays ammunition will induce more blood to come out on impact, but in general, blood will really only come out after impact slowly.
Even if it would create a 'blood fountain' it would still be catched by the uniform. We are talking almost a centimeter of wool-like uniform here, once the bullet is through, the gap closes immediatly.

and exactly how long where u in college? eek: oOo:

Fourth year of university studying physics.

If you want the example that I was given in the basic ballistics portion of criminal justice, you can take a large bowl of uncongealed jello and drop a regulation sized marble into the center. Now, if you're anal enough, you can measure the splash (like my professor did) and then do a bit of math and see not only that such a wound creates a splatter, but a very forceful one at that. More than enough to make it through only a centimeter of cloth.

damn ,wanna do my homework? evil:

Man I hate physics. That is some hard crap.