The Law Always Prevails
 

"(...) that the subject matter therein was not protected from direct and accidental access by the public by any means. Therefore, the disclaimer, which the defense claims exempts them from responsibility, is deemed ineffective, null, and void by this court. Furthermore, it is the decision of this court that Mr. Loen is to be found guilty of negligence which resulted in the proliferation and use of illegal processes and procedures."

Gerald Loen (owner of a site which provided information on precisely how to conduct a DoS attack) was later sentenced to 8 months in prison (maximum was 5 years, he bargained by selling out a small ring of malicious hackers) and 3 years of prohibation. A civil case was filed but settled out of court on unreleased terms. Oh, and my favorite part. Since his release, no internet connection has entered or left his house without the FCC monitoring it.

- Commonwealth of Virginia v. Loen (1999)

Guess what all you cheats, we've been doing our homework, reading up in the law books. We've spoken with a judge who will not be involved in the case, and she agrees that server crashes are Denial of Service attacks. As soon as we've finished collecting the logs and compiled records to be verified with the FCC for truthfulness, my colleagues and I will be raising both criminal and civil charges against the four major cheat sites. These charges will include, but not be limited to, Denial of Service attacks (spawning to crash servers) and criminal negligence.

We have the lawyers. We have the legal precedence. We have the courts.

Let's tumble, assholes.

omfg. lol! every game has its cheats, but for christ sake. taking it to a legal level. boy, you need some fresh air.

and yes, crashing servers is gay as fuck. i wouldnt even stoop that low.

People want to mess with my gameplay? Screw it.

I'll be emailing the site admins and their web hosts with a P.O. Box once it is set up after the New Year. They can use to contact me via USPS, unless they choose to resolve the matter through email.

So unless one of them comes up with a good argument after I e-mail them, the charges should be filed no later than mid-Feb, depending on how expeditious the FCC is in verifying everything.

are the sites you are going after, the ones that show people how to crash servers? b/c that is understandable. but if its regular moh cheat sites, then thats nuts.

I will not be releasing the names of the sites, because legally I have to contact each before doing so. However, at this time, MPC is not included, unless the people reviewing the site find the information listed there.

nah. MPC forbids any kind of information about crashing servers, and those who post about it get banned.

But then again, MPC also blows goat balls. So who cares. I'd die laughing if you got shut down due to a law suit, lol

So instead you'd rather restart maps.

lmao

Just an update:

I spoke with the same judge again this morning, and she agrees that it would not only be possible to file charges, but to easily win in a case where these sites would be charged with harassment. This would be possible because what they provide directly and adversely infringes upon other players' rights. And since none of these sites are password protected, none of their lame attempts at a disclaimer are worth anything in a court of law.

Like it has always been said, a cheater never wins. Especially once they think they're smart.

[quote="Captain Noctis Aeternus":1f533]Just an update:

I spoke with the same judge again this morning, and she agrees that it would not only be possible to file charges, but to easily win in a case where these sites would be charged with harassment. This would be possible because what they provide directly and adversely infringes upon other players' rights. And since none of these sites are password protected, none of their lame attempts at a disclaimer are worth anything in a court of law.

Like it has always been said, a cheater never wins. Especially once they think they're smart.[/quote:1f533]

dude what kind of dumbass whore of a judge are you talking about harassment? For one do you know the time you would get for it.. None!! instant probation and restraining order. Two since they are not talking to you and actually harassing you (eg calling your work place all the time) its not harassment. Hell thats like if you called me a cheater and i sued you for slander.. its pathetic.

Dos hacking is completely different from hacking a game server and thus the case you mention has no relevence. It was made in 1999 when that was what they were cracking down on because of the fact of the governments lower undertsanding of the technology.

[quote:1f533]Guess what all you cheats, we've been doing our homework, reading up in the law books.[/quote:1f533]

who exactly are you calling cheats? considering this is an open message board the way you present yourself is that everyone here is a cheater.
And reading law books? fuck get a life. I have been to law libraries (one time it was during a case to look up my rights as a defendant) and belive me they arent tiny books. If you have been reading these books then who is doing your fucking day job? Not to mention the amount of money you would get, (basicly none since you are saying you are filing criminal not civil) is so tiny that you waste the courts time and prison space for some tiny hackers.

Hell all they are doing is crashing it.. If they actually went in and screwed up the system then it might be worth it but just crashing? Boo fuckin HOOOOO..

oh and I should mention that since there would be alot of international hackers most of your attempts wouldnt work out because of international laws. give it up and go back to your day job and back to paying your taxes.

The definition of harassment includes the repeated and consistent infringment of rights.

Most countries among our allies (Canada, Germany, etc) enforce "hacking" laws, even if the offenses are in the United States.

If you knew how to use a law library, you'd know that it only took me half an hour, because I knew for what I was looking.

I only intend to file civil suits if for some unforeseen reason the criminal charges fail. I have no interest in profiting from this. Only shutting down the sites.

Saying that I am calling everyone a cheater is just ludicrous, I'm not even going to justify your statement.

Your petty name-calling and flaming makes it clearly apparent that you are either a cheater yourself, or just an uneducated moron.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. If you don't know what you're talking about, just shut the hell up and try not to look stupid. It is better to keep your mouth closed and appear a fool, rather than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Thank you Mark Twain.

well guess what dipshit i am both a non cheater and an educated person. One who knows the fact that it is nearly impossible to get someone from one country to another for criminal cases. Hell up here in canada there was a murderer from the states who we didnt ship down for a good 10 years.

The fact is you're not going to be able to stop all the hack sites. It's a waste of tax payers money and court time to even try.

and if you look at my post i never once called you a name. Read and think before you post.

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":aa135]
And reading law books? fuck get a life.[/quote:aa135]

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":aa135]
If you have been reading these books then who is doing your fucking day job? [/quote:aa135]

Close enough to name-calling.

As for extradition, I never said extradition. These countries enforce "hacking" laws through their own court systems and with their own punishments.

yes and you unfortunatly can only imply and give the most local authorities in that country information. I know for a fact cops here wouldn't deal with it.

first qoute, close to name calling yes..

second one far from it, simply asking who's covering for you at your day job.. id be afraid if you worked somewhere important like a power plant.

It is specifically through a program with the FCC.

Im on vacation.

Jaizen, ya gotta remember. If you dont agree with 100% of the crap these people post on the forums, then your classified as either a cheater or uneducated. You get used to the slow mentality of these folks on here.

nah it just means i'd make a bad american.. I dont think they would like me down there, ya see I do this really stupid thing I like to call it thinking for myself. Their gov doenst like that much. Me getting all my crazy ideas of freedom of speech and all.

I think its sad u all flame him and try to turn it around on him like there is something wrong with HIM and he is the agressor. I think it is great of him to finally to this and send a message the people who get entertainment by going into a clan's server that they pay for and spawning subs and crashing it and trying to hack there forums and site and any other things that these ppl do. I am speaking from personal experiance on this, Team GOD seems to take a personal thrill in trying to crash our server almost daily, but since what those ppl crave the most is attention and having there victoms run around going "fuck ur dad u shit asshole n00b" ect we simply ignore them and deny them that pleasure.

However the fact remains that those ppl and all the other people like them are all the same, they are the ones who think that they are really big and bad because they have learned somethings with computers that can mess up the enjoyment of OTHER ppl who have payed money for this game, then they band together and find other people who think alikle and enjoy it as well so they can justify it in there own mind as feel that they as a group are superior the people they fuck with.

That brings me to this, He is doing the one thing that can hurt these people, its sensless to try to hack them back because then u stoop to there lvl and are also subject to the same penalties as them, likewise to run around cursing them gives them pleasure because it gives them the recognition that they exist which is what they crave the most, so he is taking the legal route, the things these people do ARE illegal, you can flame me and him and anyone else who thinks that and call me names or make fun of me about how it is just a game all u want it doesnt bother me a bit, because the fact remains that noone has the right to intentionally crash a server that somone else or a group of other people pay for. Not to mention the other and more serious things these people do. So i would like to say good job to noctics and keep up the good work. I look foward to all the flaming ill get after this angel:

well, no matter what happens with this, i am not worried at all. let him take down the sites, does not bother me. since i mostly use all of my own crap, i dont need downloads to give me satisfaction.

it doesnt matter to me much aside from the fact that i see the whole gaming comunity pulling this same shit and what will happen? so much time spent on hackers we lose track of all the murders that happen every day.

though i wont take the shift away from cheaters, you do have a good point.

Ya know Powell I used to stick up for you when peeps where all saying " he cheats" or " He's a fuckin haxer!". I always said "well he's a good guy.." or "he's good at skinning!" but after looking at your sig....FUCK YOU! Your exactly why people look down on this game. I mean just go to CS and hax the hell outta that! Your just a fucked up n00b who has no skill.

[quote:2e791]Admit It. You Want This....

http://www.boomspeed.com/ti4200/aacomsig1.jpg[/quote:2e791]

Actually, I want a sig that works, not a long line of crap! heh

actually it does work.. i see it perfectly clear..

oh and i just thought i would let everyone know that i am NOT condoning cheating or hacking but simply stating my opinion that wasting court time and money is no way to deal with them.

quick reply Joe. looks like i fixed it faster than you realized i did. if you are this slow playing online, i wouldnt need cheats to stomp your a$$.

Keep adding fuel to the fire, baby. evil:

hey, if your gonna boot me, what would it matter what else i say? cant you see, that someone with your low status makes me laugh everytime i look at your name.

And how would my status be low?

b/c of the amount of times you refresh the page, just to sink low enough to say some other dumbass comment to me.

Because I'm right. I don't care about bumping the thread, that's not what I'm doing. I'm just showing that your a menace to the community, and reasons why you are going to be banned, that's all.

Sry for bringing this offtopic, no more posts from me on this.

same here. screw this page refresh. later.

"Low status"?? Joe? HAHAHAHA...heh..oh thank you for the chuckle man. Appreciated that I did! Pot...Kettle!

Joe is one of the most respected and helpfull members of the community I know as well as being a good friend of mine.

Im getting tired of retyping my flames so heres a recap...

MPowell=cheat0r
cheat0r="one who is afflicted with small penis" i.e. [i]SmallusDickus[i/]

Attacking Bazooka Joe's credibilty is like pissing in the wind with your hands tied behind your back. You can do it but why would you want to?

Heh. Anytime the mods want to re-enable post editing....

lol. that was good Jasper.

Cheers,

Shifty

This is fuuuunnnnnyyyyyy evil:

This is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. FIrst of all, you are insane to think that you can win a lawsuit claiming harassment against cheaters. Not even in the most liberal courts of Calfornia. NO chance. The law system cannot care enough about these games to actually consider this. This would be thrown out immediately. If you are actually serious, then you really need a life, and a better judge friend (probably Jusge Mills Lane)

Nah, u rely on your sister sucking you off. oOo:

what, another abuse of the judicial system? hake:

Captain Noctis Aeternus...Why buy a car if you can't personalize it? How boring that would be? If I took my hard earned money. That I sweated for. And went and bought the Mona Lisa. Hey plumbers make good money, but not that good! Anyway I should have the right too do what ever I wanted to the painting. Stupid that would be. But it is still my right. I don't care what country your from. The same applies to anything else. If I were to create an exact replica of the house I bought and live in. I should be able to give the house away without any legal repercussions. That would also be stupid. But it should still be my right. I don't believe in piracy of any kind. But I bought it. And I should be able to make as many copies as I want. And give as many copies away I want. Sometimes I just can't figure out these software developers. What make them so special? So you can go to hell and take your stupid a/ss law suit with you eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: eatthis: