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Drew 01-18-2003 01:46 AM

TeamGOD Legal Action
 
As promised, this post will be the definitive on legal action, etc against TeamGOD.

First off, I've had several lengthy conversations with the FBI. We discussed the most plausible plans for filing complaints, on whom I could file complaints, and the maximum and likely sentences for each person. The FBI confirmed that a case could easily be made and won based on charges of Denial of Service attacks, proliferation of illicit information, and a form of electronic harassment. These charges would be filed claiming myself as a representative of the gaming community, and on behalf of the entire gaming community, beyond MoH.

The charges discussed were quite serious, more serious than I had anticipated. After reviewing some of the information I had accumulated, the estimated sentencing for one individual, a TeamGOD leader and site admin, was 5 years in a federal prison and a $12,000 fine.

I've spoken with many people, and at great length, concerning this issue. The support I've received from the community has been amazing. There was truly an outpour of genuine concern on this matter, and well there should have been, because it is a serious issue.

However, I regret to inform the community that I will not be pursuing criminal charges, and civil charges are unlikely. I came to this decision because after much consideration, I simply could not sleep well at night knowing that I had ruined the life of another human being over something so petty. I say petty for a lack of better terms. This is serious, but I just cannot justify to myself that this is serious enough to literally destroy the life of another person, and possible the lives of their family as well.

I hope you will all understand the reasons behind my decision, and respect them. My stance on this issue will not shift, so please don't try. This is final.

As for the release of materials. I basically have two choices, I can retain the non-public information I have gathered in the off chance that someone else pursues legal action. Or, I can release the information for all to see, but risk nullifying its use in a court of law.

I have therefore decided to retain the information, which includes screenshots from their private forum area, chat session logs, and videos of servers being crashed, for a period of 60 days. If, at the end of 60 days no one has taken legal action and used this information, it will be released to the public.

Again, my decision on this is final, and I will not be swayed.

If you are interested in taking legal action, that is your personal decision. While I am willing to provide you with definitive evidence, I cannot, myself, testify and directly destroy someone's life over this.

Good luck and fair play,

- Noctis

RAGE^ 01-18-2003 01:54 AM

yeah and why don't you just go to hell alright? Your little "moral" decision is annoying and shows how weak you are that you won't stop people who complicate others lives so much.

if anyone ever takes action against http://www.myg0t.com, I hope it isn't you.

J()ke|Z 01-18-2003 02:05 AM

what i dont get is if criminal charges would stick the point where it would ruin someoen's life why cant u just sue em or somthin.. i meen most of these kids are like 13 and as soon as they get mommy and daddy find out what there up to thell probly take away there pc anyway. Atleast i would hope so.

Drew 01-18-2003 02:11 AM

You have practically no chance of winning a civil suit against a minor.

And RAGE, we don't need 13 year old forum n00bs putting in their ignorant and ill-informed two cents. I don't see your stupid ass calling the FBI or consulting a lawyer. I have morals. Sorry your mommy and daddy beat you instead of teaching you some.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 02:23 AM

i can understand feeling guilt bout this, but you should have thought about that before you went on this venture of yours. you just hyped everyone up for nothing. that was f00lish of you Noctis. hake:

RUNGSI 01-18-2003 02:25 AM

I think the whole thing is a crock myself, but I will say this.
Dropping the whole thing and getting on with your life is the best thing you can do.
I mean come on.. these are guys that are having fun. they are playing pranks.
And do they really hurt people?
Not really.
All that happens is they find people like yourself that feed off it and keep introducing you to more and more of it.
Taking time out of your life to see these guys pay for playing pranks on you.. well your just as bad as them.
And you are making them popular.
There are thousands, maybe even millions of people just like those guys that try to hurt or cause problems to people with the use of the internet.
Let it go.
There are a lot more important things to worry about in life.
Not the fact of some guy hacking a gaming server or using an aimbot..
Pfft..
I mean get real.
Go outside. meet people in real life and you will find..
99.999999% of the real world doesnt give a crap about on-line gaming or forum posts.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RUNGSI
99.999999% of the real world doesnt give a crap about on-line gaming or forum posts

AMEN!

Drew 01-18-2003 02:35 AM

When I first consulted a lawyer and a judge on this matter, I was told that the people would be subject to fines and prohibation, maybe a few months in prison. After speaking with the FBI, they're talking years in prison.

I expect to get flamed in this thread, but whatever. I have my reasons for going as far as I did, and I have my reasons for not following through. And quite frankly, if you don't like it, you can kiss my white ass.

And MPowell, don't burn bridges.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 02:59 AM

hey man, im only stating the truth. no flames involved. so please dont say im burning bridges when im not.

Innoxx 01-18-2003 03:29 AM

Well, Noctis, you still did a good job. Standing up to these thugs and putting them in their place is very chivalrous. This should set a big enough example to those kids who crash servers for their own personal enjoyment. You hear that kiddies? 5 YEARS.

Sotilas Jane 01-18-2003 03:39 AM

Thanks for sharing the funniest/lamest thing I've read in my entire life, Noctis.

Drew 01-18-2003 03:59 AM

Absolutely no problem. Thanks for coming out.

the901 01-18-2003 04:06 AM

lol, lame
 
Why would you want to work with the government when it came to this shit nEways? I say ignore them or fight back the same way they fight! Not saying that would be the smart thing to do but I assume there are skilled peeps out there that could put the smack down. I still dont understand the whole "i am going to tell my mommy on you" CRAP. Yes, may be annoying but ignore it if you can (or use the whole community to fight back). WE are the law, not some net cop...

01-18-2003 04:09 AM

great idea einstein, give them something to throw YOU in jail for.

the901 01-18-2003 04:10 AM

like i said
 
"Not saying that would be the smart thing to do"

Magnum 01-18-2003 04:22 AM

I would tend to agree with you Noctis. Somewhat disappointing of course, but completely justifiable.

-=[BAD]=-Thorshammer 01-18-2003 05:54 AM

Noctis you made the right choice you have shown that what they are doing id infact a crime and that should you have wanted you could have done quite a number on them but you have shown tah you are by far the bigger man by walking away. What i don't think some of them get is that at the end of the day it's just not worth screwing somebodys life up for.

to the hackers what you don't realise is if you continue on with this form of attacks all the privately run clan servers will shut and i don't think ea would like you doing it to them, and as we can see from other posts EA have no morals.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 10:32 AM

1. Hey Jane, long time no see. biggrin:

2. Strik0r has a point. Now they have something to throw in your face.

Mope 01-18-2003 11:47 AM

i haven't been here since the early days of MOHAA when it was fun. Anyway, whats teamGOD and what have they done?

This is just like myg0t. They have broken every law on software hacking, but the FBI don't give a shit.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 12:35 PM

TeamGOD are a group of misfit you go around harrassing servers by either crashing them, attempting to. They boast about this in their forums and put down clans and other members of the community as if they were GOD.

In comparison, TeamGOD is not as bad as Myg0t. Not even close, but still an annoyance.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 12:36 PM

Correction.

TeamGOD are a group of misfits who go around harrassing servers by either crashing them, or attempting to. They boast about this on their forums and put down clans and other members of the community as if they were GOD.

=FM=1st Lt prey 01-18-2003 01:13 PM

Well its a little disappointing, and its a shame you had to tell this publicly Noctis, of course we all know the `real` reason you posted this.

I hope that teamGod all relax and continue crashing servers whilst this investigation continues to collect evidence :>

KTOG 01-18-2003 01:27 PM

Wow, we have some very immature people here. I understand Noctis' choice 100%. Sounds good to me.

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 01:37 PM

oh thats right i forgot. if we dont agree with Noctis then we are immature and tend to burn bridges. yup, makes sense to me. hake:

geRV 01-18-2003 01:41 PM

Wht about this video of them crashing a server? At least post that up for dload.

BUTCHER 01-18-2003 01:41 PM

[quote="Captain Noctis Aeternus":14906]When I first consulted a lawyer and a judge on this matter, I was told that the people would be subject to fines and prohibation, maybe a few months in prison. After speaking with the FBI, they're talking years in prison.

I expect to get flamed in this thread, but whatever. I have my reasons for going as far as I did, and I have my reasons for not following through. And quite frankly, if you don't like it, you can kiss my white ass.

And MPowell, don't burn bridges.[/quote:14906]


well said and i agree with your decision. its one thing for a kid to learn a lesson its another to ruin his life over a video game. i fully respect and back your decision.

=FM=1st Lt prey 01-18-2003 01:57 PM

fuck it he should have done em anyways lol :P

01-18-2003 02:03 PM

hopefully the thought of Federal "ass-rape" prison will dissuade them from further attacks.

biggrin:

MistaChill 01-18-2003 03:57 PM

It won't, and teamgod will continue doing stupid shit like this never happened. There's the pessimists view.

the901 01-18-2003 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerard
Wht about this video of them crashing a server? At least post that up for dload.

Luckly I have never had to deal with team god but once or twice. I was interested in seeing some of these videos. No use in keeping them to yourself as long as it doesn't ruin a case against them cuz that seems to be your (Noctis) intent. I have experienced several server restarts before but never a server crash.

pauls 01-18-2003 04:09 PM

Prohibition! You mean they couldnt drink!!!

BTW, this is complete bull feces. You are lying and its kinda annoying.

Rev Aristotle Jones 01-18-2003 04:12 PM

People need to take responsibility for their actions and face up to the consequences of those actions.

Take that whatever way you want.

Drew 01-18-2003 04:22 PM

Read. Prohibation.

And, Pauls, we don't need TeamGOD members here. You'll be banned soon enough.

Kamil-RS 01-18-2003 05:23 PM

Noctis i agree totally with what you are doing and why you are doing it but why would you be needed to put these f00k5 away? i mean the FBI collects evidence and then there is a hearing like the people Vs annoying bitches or something like that?
correct me if i am wrong, i watch a little law and order

Drew 01-18-2003 06:20 PM

Basically, they aren't going to commit the manpower themselves. But if someone walks up with evidence, they'd go through with it.

Elac2k 01-18-2003 07:39 PM

lol the fbi on teamgod...man...u guys need to go outside for a few days

sickone 01-18-2003 07:42 PM

And elac deserves a free ride in jail

MPowell1944 01-18-2003 07:49 PM

dont worry about Elac. he is troubled by his lack of creativity, so he has to talk alot of shit to make up for it. hake:

ihatecrybitc}{es 01-18-2003 07:54 PM

[quote:034e7] However, I regret to inform the community that I will not be pursuing criminal charges, and civil charges are unlikely. I came to this decision because after much consideration, I simply could not sleep well at night knowing that I had ruined the life of another human being over something so petty. I say petty for a lack of better terms. This is serious, but I just cannot justify to myself that this is serious enough to literally destroy the life of another person, and possible the lives of their family as well. [/quote:034e7] I NOW HAVE HUGE RESPECT FOR YOU MAN....I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO FAR WITH SUEING AND JAILING....I NOW BOW TO YOU AS YOU ARE A HUMAN angel:

Bazooka_Joe 01-18-2003 09:21 PM

Just a quick article, Rudedog found this the other night and posted it at http://www.mohadmin.com, too.

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-981255.html?tag=fd_top


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