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LOL - Aint it the truth.

Thats great, lol.

Well, gun control sure as hell works for Canada:
Compare handgun murders, for example:
Canada: average of 45 a year
USA: average of over 7000 - 9000 a year

These people from the Pittsburg PA. area are laughing too.

These people from the Pittsburgh PA. area are laughing too.

12/05/2001 Craig Owens, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Garfield.
12/06/2001 Brian Moore, 29, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in Verona.
12/09/2001 Robert Conroy, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the trunk in Brookline.
12/14/2001 Michael Evaneago, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
12/19/2001 Paula Poellnitz, 38, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District.
12/20/2001 George Lee, 88, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Scott Township
12/23/2001 Sean Kostef, 24, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Moon Township.
1/12/2002 Mary Wieczorek, 70, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in North Fayette.
1/12/2002 Lawrence Reilly, 50, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Wall.
1/12/2002 Jerry Anderson, 50, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Stanton Heights section of Pittsburgh.
1/12/2002 John Wieczorek, 79, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Coraopolis.
1/12/2002 Chris Washabaugh, 16, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Fayette.
1/18/2002 Shonne Matthews, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/23/2002 Eugene Roney, 31, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKeesport.
1/23/2002 Vigie Patterson, 77, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Bethel Park.
1/25/2002 Taylor Coles, 8, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Parrish Freeman, 35, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/26/2002 Thomas Michell, 31, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
2/4/2002 Robert Pesano, 32, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Scott.
2/9/2002 Jean Jones, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Highland Park section of Pittsburgh.
2/11/2002 Terry Gibbs, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
2/12/2002 Marvin Williams, 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
2/12/2002 Gerald Jones, 32, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Mount Washington section of Pittsburgh.
2/16/2002 Jerrery Nichok, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Duquesne.
2/18/2002 Kenneth Sharp, 23, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the head and trunk in West Mifflin.
3/11/2002 Armond Gustave, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Strip District section of Pittsburgh.
3/12/2002 Mark Holtz, 23, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Millvale.
3/15/2002 Orlando Greene, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
3/15/2002 Tanya Cook, 16, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Versailles.
3/16/2002 Dominique Johnson, 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
3/17/2002 Dolores Munger, 65, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
3/21/2002 Ronold Thomas, 34, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
4/5/2002 Andre McBryde, 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and shoulder in Duquesne.
4/9/2002 Joseph Lucas, 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Monroeville.
4/10/2002 Aldo Zulian, 41, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Brookline.
4/14/2002 Edward Sullivan, 57, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Munhall.
4/14/2002 Lamer Finch, 25, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
4/15/2002 Larry Giles, 26, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Wilkinsburg.
4/16/2002 Lorraine Knapp, 76, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
4/18/2002 Paul Roth, 80, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
4/22/2002 Joseph Parks, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
4/30/2002 Justin Perminter, 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/2/2002 David Stull, 47, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Liberty Boro.
5/11/2002 Robert Hinish, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the South Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/11/2002 Martin Lineman, 44, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Richland.
5/15/2002 Tyrone Wells, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
5/15/2002 Jason Griffin, 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
5/15/2002 Richard Valko, 60, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the mouth in Munhall.
5/24/2002 Tilithia Johnson, 14, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
5/30/2002 James Malloy, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
5/30/2002 Cynthia Scott, 42, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and trunk in Duquesne.
5/30/2002 Frank Gornick, 57, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Gibsonia.
6/1/2002 Mark Kennedy, age 37, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
6/2/2002 Erik Bryant, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in East Hills.
6/2/2002 Darrell Wilson, age 21, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
6/8/2002 Charles Burkhart, age 41, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Whitehall.
6/11/2002 Robert Delbianco, age 59, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Whitehall.
6/12/2002 Ronald Wray, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Forward.
6/13/2002 James Adams, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 Michael Balint, age 23, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
6/15/2002 Deborah Melletta, age 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
6/20/2002 Piece Dumas, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
6/20/2002 Kevin Coates, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
6/25/2002 Carol Mellon, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in White Oak.
6/26/2002 Norris Jones, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Braddock.
6/27/2002 Daniel Moore, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McCandless.
6/28/2002 Christopher Jordan, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Duquesne.
6/29/2002 Crystal Somerville, age 27, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Beltzhoover section of Pittsburgh.
6/29/2002 Lorris Staples, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Duquesne.
7/4/2002 Lorraine Marburger, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Slippery Rock.
7/11/2002 Leonard Vandall, age 47, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
7/11/2002 Jared Kutsch, age 15, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Harrison.
7/29/2002 Richard Wiegand, age 52, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Perrysville.
8/3/2002 James Clayton, age 52, was killed by a gunshot wound to the neck in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
8/5/2002 Patrick Norman, age 78, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in Braddock.
8/9/2002 Marilyn Morgan, age 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in West Mifflin.
8/12/2002 Joyce Fasenmyer, age 40, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Plum.
9/1/2002 Stanley Tomal, age 53, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in South Park.
9/3/2002 Ryan Marasco, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
9/6/2002 Joseph Winston, age 19, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Dormont.
9/7/2002 Michael Hunter, age 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/9/2002 Kevin Woods, age 30, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
9/10/2002 Joseph Cline, age 52, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in Bellevue.
9/11/2002 Charlie Igles, age 81, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/15/2002 Kevin Snoe, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
9/16/2002 Max Hafenbrack, age 63, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Homestead.
9/19/2002 Steve Grossaith, age 28, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Tarentum.
9/21/2002 Aaron Demand, age 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in East Hills.
9/24/2002 John Harris, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Allan McClelland, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in North Braddock.
9/27/2002 Lanel Buckner, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Leonard Feigel, age 63, was killed by a gunshot wound to the extremities in the Friendship section of Pittsburgh.
9/28/2002 Stanley Nelson, age 39, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the mouth in West Deer.
9/29/2002 Ben Hood, age 26, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in West View.
10/1/2002 Albert Leonard, age 45, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Homestead.
10/12/2002 Allahtume Shelton, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Homestead.
10/13/2002 Jamell Turner, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/14/2002 Charles Lane, age 19, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/17/2002 Jean Bui, age 70, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKees Rocks.
10/19/2002 Gregory Dodin, age 21, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the Oakland section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Paul Pusic, age 44, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Darren Dolby, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Amir Cox, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound in East Hills.
11/2/2002 Jeffery Lauric, age 38, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Brentwood.
11/3/2002 Kenneth Keay, age 48, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
11/6/2002 Gregory Reese, age 34, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Forest Hills.
11/8/2002 Jason Gazdag, age 31, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the chest in East McKeesport.
11/9/2002 Michael Givens, age 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in East Hills.
11/11/2002 Jennifer Westwood, age 28, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Brentwood.
11/11/2002 Albert Roth, age 79, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
11/14/2002 Alean Hudson, age 66, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
11/14/2002 Tim Addison, age 28, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
11/15/2002 Bernard Rogers, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
11/16/2002 Derrick Owens, age 33, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
11/18/2002 Amy Fehr, age 18, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Mt. Lebanon.
11/21/2002 David Berry, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 Mary Howard, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKeesport.
11/21/2002 Charles Clinton, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKees Rocks.
11/23/2002 John Karl, age 74, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in McKees Rocks.
11/25/2002 Outdam Prasuet, age 23, was killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in North Fayette.

Note to self - dont move to pittsburg or canada, oh wait, that was never an option anyway, nm.

I didn't real care enough to read all of them but most are self inflicted(suicides) so if they wanna kill themselves why should I care?

LOL - lowspark - I missed all the suicides in your list the first time. By all means, distort the numbers however you like.

Gun control may work in Canada but its not a proven solution, look at England ever since they enacted the law making owning a handgun illegal gun crimes from has risen 35%

You two realize you are talking about real people, not just names on a list, those people were just like you before they were killed.

It wouldn't kill you to have a little more respect.

12/05/2001 Craig Owens, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Garfield.
12/06/2001 Brian Moore, 29, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in Verona.
12/19/2001 Paula Poellnitz, 38, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Hill District.
1/12/2002 Mary Wieczorek, 70, was killed by a gunshot wound to the face in North Fayette.
1/18/2002 Shonne Matthews, 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Taylor Coles, 8, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/25/2002 Parrish Freeman, 35, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
1/26/2002 Thomas Michell, 31, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
2/4/2002 Robert Pesano, 32, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Scott.
2/9/2002 Jean Jones, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Highland Park section of Pittsburgh.
2/11/2002 Terry Gibbs, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
2/12/2002 Marvin Williams, 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
2/16/2002 Jerrery Nichok, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Duquesne.
2/18/2002 Kenneth Sharp, 23, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the head and trunk in West Mifflin.
3/11/2002 Armond Gustave, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Strip District section of Pittsburgh.
3/15/2002 Orlando Greene, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
3/16/2002 Dominique Johnson, 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
4/5/2002 Andre McBryde, 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and shoulder in Duquesne.
4/22/2002 Joseph Parks, 39, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
4/30/2002 Justin Perminter, 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/11/2002 Robert Hinish, 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the South Side section of Pittsburgh.
5/15/2002 Tyrone Wells, 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Wilkinsburg.
5/15/2002 Jason Griffin, 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
5/24/2002 Tilithia Johnson, 14, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
5/30/2002 James Malloy, 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
5/30/2002 Cynthia Scott, 42, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds to the neck and trunk in Duquesne.
6/2/2002 Erik Bryant, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in East Hills.
6/2/2002 Darrell Wilson, age 21, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Lawrenceville section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 James Adams, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Garfield section of Pittsburgh.
6/13/2002 Michael Balint, age 23, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Verona.
6/15/2002 Deborah Melletta, age 37, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Clairton.
6/20/2002 Piece Dumas, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
6/20/2002 Kevin Coates, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
6/26/2002 Norris Jones, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Braddock.
6/28/2002 Christopher Jordan, age 17, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Duquesne.
6/29/2002 Crystal Somerville, age 27, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Beltzhoover section of Pittsburgh.
6/29/2002 Lorris Staples, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Duquesne.
8/3/2002 James Clayton, age 52, was killed by a gunshot wound to the neck in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
8/5/2002 Patrick Norman, age 78, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in Braddock.
9/3/2002 Ryan Marasco, age 19, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Carrick.
9/7/2002 Michael Hunter, age 24, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/9/2002 Kevin Woods, age 30, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
9/15/2002 Kevin Snoe, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the abdomen in the Homewood section of Pittsburgh.
9/21/2002 Aaron Demand, age 16, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in East Hills.
9/24/2002 John Harris, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Allan McClelland, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in North Braddock.
9/27/2002 Lanel Buckner, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the North Side section of Pittsburgh.
9/27/2002 Leonard Feigel, age 63, was killed by a gunshot wound to the extremities in the Friendship section of Pittsburgh.
10/12/2002 Allahtume Shelton, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in Homestead.
10/13/2002 Jamell Turner, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the back in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/14/2002 Charles Lane, age 19, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Paul Pusic, age 44, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Darren Dolby, age 20, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
10/22/2002 Amir Cox, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound in East Hills.
11/6/2002 Gregory Reese, age 34, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in Forest Hills.
11/9/2002 Michael Givens, age 21, was killed by multiple gunshot wounds in East Hills.
11/14/2002 Alean Hudson, age 66, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in the East Liberty section of Pittsburgh.
11/14/2002 Tim Addison, age 28, was killed by a gunshot wound to the head in Penn Hills.
11/15/2002 Bernard Rogers, age 26, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the Hill District section of Pittsburgh.
11/16/2002 Derrick Owens, age 33, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in the West End section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 David Berry, age 22, was killed by a gunshot wound to the chest in the Hazelwood section of Pittsburgh.
11/21/2002 Mary Howard, age 20, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKeesport.
11/21/2002 Charles Clinton, age 18, was killed by a gunshot wound to the trunk in McKees Rocks.

I went ahead and edited the suicides out. So after doing that calculate that Pittsburg is an urban area. Urban areas usually have gangs, so it's safe to say many of these were caused by gangs. And we all know gangs care about gun control.

[quote="Pfc.Green":af604]Gun control may work in Canada but its not a proven solution, look at England ever since they enacted the law making owning a handgun illegal gun crimes from has risen 35%[/quote:af604]

Hmmm... good point, but England still has a very low crime rate when it comes to guns, as I said before:
Handgun murders:
USA: 7000-9000
Canada: 45
England: 7

[quote="redhawk_six":d3887]You two realize you are talking about real people, not just names on a list, those people were just like you before they were killed.

It wouldn't kill you to have a little more respect.[/quote:d3887]
They aren't real people anymore, no ones like me, we're all different remember? It's tough to get me to actually care about any of this stuff.

No one is disrespecting peoples deaths, but to use suicides to make a statement about gun control is laughable... a suicide is a voluntary death. Criminals dont respect gun laws, they dont go "gee guns are illegal guess I cant have one then" no they dont give a shit, when you take away the right for a law-abiding citizen to have a gun, then all your doing is say okay now only the police and the criminals can have guns, fuck even most police in England dont have guns.

[quote="Pfc.Green":192d9]...fuck even most police in England dont have guns.[/quote:192d9]

Yeah, but in some places in England, the police don't need guns, because of England's gun control laws.

[quote=Blitz]They aren't real people anymore, no ones like me, we're all different remember? It's tough to get me to actually care about any of this stuff.[/quote:e8b88]

Then I feel sorry for you.

[quote="redhawk_six":fe7e8][quote="Pfc.Green":fe7e8]...fuck even most police in England dont have guns.[/quote:fe7e8]

Yeah, but in some places in England, the police don't need guns, because of England's gun control laws.[/quote:fe7e8]

Tell that to the cop that was stabbed to death in that anti-terrorist raid, because he and his partners were unarmed.

[quote="redhawk_six":78771]You two realize you are talking about real people, not just names on a list, those people were just like you before they were killed.

It wouldn't kill you to have a little more respect.[/quote:78771]

Lets see if I can say this without sounding too callous. People die every day. They are shot, stabbed, beaten, self inflicted, accidental, intentional, infirm, sick, merciful, justified, tragic. If it has happened to someone close to you, then I am sorry. BUT, I cannot burden myself with the sorrow of the world. If I did, I could not function or even expect to leave the house. So I deal in the reality of MY world. The list of names low spark posted was compiled to tug at the heart strings. Suicides were added to shock the senses and significatnly expand the lenght of the list, not to lend any real validity to the gun control arguement. I have always respected low sparks arguements before, whether I agree or not, but that was a cheap tactic and you have lost a bit of credibility with me. Yeah, I am sure you are all broken up over it, but just my 2 pennies.

Yeah, but in some places in England, the police don't need guns, because of England's gun control laws.[/quote]


Have you been smokin crack????? Id rather walk the streets of Detroit than London. You know why????? Crime in both cities are out of control but in Detroit I csn , and do, legally carry a semi-auto Ruger P944 .40 cal 10 round mag with 1 in the pipe! http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html
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[url:b4831]http://flashbunny.org/content/freespeech.html[/url:b4831]
watch this before you start to belive guns are all bad

I've been to London, I felt safer walking the streets of London than I do walking the streets of Vancouver.

Crime is not "out of control" in London.

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Have you been smokin crack????? Id rather walk the streets of Detroit than London. You know why????? Crime in both cities are out of control but in Detroit I csn , and do, legally carry a semi-auto Ruger P944 .40 cal 10 round mag with 1 in the pipe! [url="http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html"]http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html[/url]
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I've been to London, I felt safer walking the streets of London than I do walking the streets of Vancouver.

Crime is not "out of control" in London.

Damn, I want my edit button back!!! cry:

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watch this before you start to belive guns are all bad[/quote:99aef]

I personally like Jefferson's point of view. A government should have a healthly fear of its citizens.

[quote="redhawk_six":768dd][quote="Sgt>Stackem":768dd]
Have you been smokin crack????? Id rather walk the streets of Detroit than London. You know why????? Crime in both cities are out of control but in Detroit I csn , and do, legally carry a semi-auto Ruger P944 .40 cal 10 round mag with 1 in the pipe! [url="http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html"]http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html[/url]
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I've been to London, I felt safer walking the streets of London than I do walking the streets of Vancouver.

Crime is not "out of control" in London.

Damn, I want my edit button back!!! cry:[/quote:768dd]

yeah i was about to ask wtf u just said in that post :p

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Have you been smokin crack????? Id rather walk the streets of Detroit than London. You know why????? Crime in both cities are out of control but in Detroit I csn , and do, legally carry a semi-auto Ruger P944 .40 cal 10 round mag with 1 in the pipe! [url="http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html"]http://www.ruger-firearms.com/pistolscf.html[/url]
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Oh, and one more thing...
You accuse me of smoking crack?
You said you feel safer in a high crime city in a country that has over 7000 handgun murders a year than in a city in a country that has an average of 7 handgun murders a year. eek:
You sure your not the one on crack? Cos that doesn't make any sense to me.

First off lets put the 7000 murder shit away, the U.S. has a population of around 287,400,000 while Canada has a population of around 31,300,000 and The U.K has a population of around 60,200,000. So you cant just compare them off the bat.

Anyone wanna tell me how in the fuck my thread of a pic got turned into this? cry:

LOL - What did you expect?

Man when you post anything with the words Gun and Control you gotta expect these things to happen.

Heres a few interesting results of the gun laws in England...

In 1987, two men assaulted Eric Butler, a 56-year-old British Petroleum executive, in a London Underground train carriage by trying to strangle him and smashing his head against the door. No one came to his aid. He later testified: "My air supply was being cut off, my eyes became blurred, and I feared for my life." In desperation he unsheathed an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick and slashed at one of his attackers, stabbing the man in the stomach. The assailants were charged with wounding. Butler was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.

In 1994, an English homeowner, armed with a toy gun, managed to detain two burglars who had broken into his house, while he called the police. When the officers arrived they arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten or intimidate. Now the police are pressing parliament to make imitation guns illegal.

Most familiar is the 1999 case of Tony Martin, a 55-year-old Norfolk farmer, victim of six robberies, who shot two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him yet again. Like 70 per cent of rural villages his had no police presence. He received a life sentence for killing one burglar, 10 years for wounding the second, and 12 months for having an illegal shotgun. The wounded burglar is already free.

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Wow! Did you notice in the list, there was someone as young as 14 that was shot??

However, Gun Control? That would just create more crime. Just like Drugs, They made them illegeal and people do it for the "Thrill of getting caught"
Like someone said in another post "It's human nature, doing something bad feels good."

About my post on gun deaths in Pittsburgh. It was the first site I found on a quick search. I thought it would be nice to have some names to go with the numbers. As for you that discount the suicides by gun, obviously you don't know anyone that blew their own brains out. I've known 5 people that have committed suicide with a gun. Of those five, one was termianally ill with cancer, and thought he was saving his family from the pain and cost of it, Two of them were derpressed and drunk, luckily for them they had a gun available to take care of that problem( I was fortunate enough to be there to try to help one the guys wife try to explain why daddy went away to her 4 year old boy). The last two, know one know for sure why they killed themselves, their lives seemed to be going well. But they all had one thing in common, they all owned the gun the killed themselves with.

Whats your point about them all owning guns? that gun laws could have saved them. Cause they could have easily killed themselves with knives, pills, and so on...


P.S. I hope I never have to deal with a friends suicied, If I do I hope I can try and keep them from doing it.

most of the gun crimes in the US are drug related ie. gang vs. gang,
if the little fuckers want to kill each other good for them, less idiots for the cops to shoot.

also since most murders are by drug gangs it is safe to assume that they can get their weapons out of country like they get drugs, so banning guns will only make it harder to defend yourself from some sad gangsta "I-hold-my-gun-sideways-and-can't-hit-shit" types who get their guns from some colombian.

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That's my point. The access to a gun made it to easy.
I only know 1 who attemped to slash her wrists(another deppressed drunk), luckly she was found before she died, it also helps that she did it wrong, straight across the the wrist. Last time I talked to her a few years a ago, she was happly married and expected her second child.

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That's my point. The access to a gun made it to easy.
I only know 1 who attemped to slash her wrists(another deppressed drunk), luckly she was found before she died, it also helps that she did it wrong, straight across the the wrist. Last time I talked to her a few years a ago, she was happly married and expected her second child.[/quote:62cc6]

Sure it made it easier for them to do it, however that has no bearing on whether citizens should be able to own guns, it is our right to do so. This country was able to gain its freedom because it citizens had guns (and the french donated a few) and if god forbid the U.S. goverment turns into what the British goverment was back then then its citizens will not be so easily opressed.

Tobacco kills 400,000 people a year
Alcohol and Alcohol related deaths are around 100,000

Why not ban these too? Another thing is many of those who like gun control are in favor of legalizing drugs...

Why stop there, why not ban cars, knives, lighters...

[quote="Low spark":8a1bf]As for you that discount the suicides by gun, obviously you don't know anyone that blew their own brains out.[/quote:8a1bf]

Actually, I did. A couple of people. And I knew someone that hung himself and someone the ODed on sleeping pills. It wasnt the guns fault anymore than it was the rope's or the pills' fault. I am sorry for your losses, but they are irrelavant to the arguement IMO.