I mean, this is a game about foot-soldiers...snipers, guys hitting the deck for their lives, dodging MG rounds by getting as flat as possible...eating sand as they come off the LC's and hit the beach...but the game has no prone position.

It's a bit like a racing sim in cars that have only three wheels. Kinda fundemental for a foot-soldier to be able to hit the deck. It's probably the one thing every soldier does most in his combat career.

2015...you done dropped the ball big time on this. Suggest you fix it fast before the reviewers get their teeth sunk in to you.

No prone...MUHAHAHA!!! Sheesh.

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I think that would be a mod too far for anyone without the source code. Changing white smoke puffs to red is one thing, adding a whole new bunch of positions and animations to the core code is another.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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It's not that hard to do...and, it's not a big deal to me anyway.

If it's a long time coming out, it won't matter to me.

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[This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited January 01, 2002).]

I guess it's down to whether your preference is arcade or simulation.

I would have liked to see MoH come out as a sim, and a lot of the BS hype led me to believe that was what it was going to be.

Since playing the MP and SP demos I've had to accept the disappointing fact that MoH is an arcade game. Still fun, but not even remotely close to what I was hoping for.

Never mind, there's Operation Flashpoint for the serious gamers. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

By the way, if it's "not that hard to do" why the hell have 2015 left it out???

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[This message has been edited by SS.SGW-Siggi (edited January 01, 2002).]

WEll first off there IS prone position.It even has the button labeled in the "controls" menu.The reason it was not in the demo is because it would have taken to long to program the AI to respond correctly to it.I have been assured that it WILL be part of the final game.

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MOH:AA is not really an arcade game, or a true simulation. A true simulation WW2 game, is more like WW2 Online (past all of the bugs). It's one shot one kill there, and infantry have a hard time living.

MOH:AA has health packs, and little floating team icons, not really a true simulation.

However, I think blasting the game, based on the demo, is kind of silly. We do not know what is changeable in the game, to create a more realistic session. Can you toggle the team icons, so that they don't appear? Can you change it to where you don't drop health packs when you die?

We've already seen a more realistic mod come out for the demo...simple to be sure, but it shows what the community can do to make a game more realistic.

If MOH:AA doesn't satisfy true simulation gamers (to me it is real enough to enjoy, even though I would like a true sim), then the community will be there, I am sure.

And, Operation Flashpoint's netcode stinks. Great game (I have it, enjoy it, and look forward to Invasion 1944), but has serious online handicaps.

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[This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited January 01, 2002).]

It's arcade to me until MoH bullets do what real bullets do...a leg hit puts you down and leaves you crawling, if it doesn't actually kill you, and an arm hit leaves you one-armed...firing your weapon one-handed is a legit challenge.

Anywhere else, you are DEAD instantly. Or at least un-concious.

These things aren't hard to code, even as switchable options. But it costs money, and they are options that won't be used by the majority of purchasers (kids) so the developers don't need to give a damn.

Bottom line...knock out the bare minimum to the kids, bank the moolah and take a long vacation. Happens time and time again, at least on this side of the old Iron Curtain.

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[This message has been edited by SS.SGW-Siggi (edited January 01, 2002).]

I would like to have such a game, as well, however, your own post answers your question, as to why MOH:AA isn't a true sim. The big companies really don't think there are enough gamers out there who would buy a game like that.

They are wrong, but I truly think it is what they think.

And yes, MOH:AA could do with a better hit-location system, and reaction to such damage, but you play what you get. And, MOH is enough for me to enjoy.

I'm waiting on a VR system that I can hook up to, and have it be really, truly, like living during WW2. But, that won't happen before I die, so I have to lower my standards. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
I guess it's down to whether your preference is arcade or simulation.

I would have liked to see MoH come out as a sim, and a lot of the BS hype led me to believe that was what it was going to be.

Since playing the MP and SP demos I've had to accept the disappointing fact that MoH is an arcade game. Still fun, but not even remotely close to what I was hoping for.

Never mind, there's Operation Flashpoint for the serious gamers. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

By the way, if it's "not that hard to do" why the hell have 2015 left it out???

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wow , there's a new one arcade game , hmmm...consider yourself about the 20th person to come in here crying about this since last month .... please if you will... refer to this post and see what one of the developers had to say about adding prone . .

here are other worth-while topics about prone ...

http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/For...ML/001425.html

http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/For...ML/001367.html


also i dont think Wolfshook was suggesting he only digs arcade games ....i believe he plays OpF too .


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FuBarGrn:
WEll first off there IS prone position.It even has the button labeled in the "controls" menu.The reason it was not in the demo is because it would have taken to long to program the AI to respond correctly to it.I have been assured that it WILL be part of the final game.

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2015 already came out and said there will be no proning in the game. there's only proning for the Axis. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by Dodd (edited January 01, 2002).]

Thanks for that link, I've read it now. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

So are we supposed to believe that all the prone stuff is like some kind of BIG SUPRISE to 2015? They didn't start this project with prone positions AS A GIVEN???

Come off it. Here's a reality-bite...2015 ran late on MoH and something needed to be dumped if they were to get the moolah to the bank on time. Prones went down the crapper because of slippage, not because they are some kind of way-big-deal coding problem. OPF has them fine.

Simple fact...we are being stiffed by 2015 on the prones because they couldn't meet their own deadlines, and because western developers are fat and lazy. Give the job to an Eastern European developer and see some SERIOUS graft put in.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
Thanks for that link, I've read it now. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

So are we supposed to believe that all the prone stuff is like some kind of BIG SUPRISE to 2015? They didn't start this project with prone positions AS A GIVEN???

Come off it. Here's a reality-bite...2015 ran late on MoH and something needed to be dumped if they were to get the moolah to the bank on time. Prones went down the crapper because of slippage, not because they are some kind of way-big-deal coding problem. OPF has them fine.

Simple fact...we are being stiffed by 2015 on the prones because they couldn't meet their own deadlines. But that's PC gaming life I guess.

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believe what you wish then ....me , i believe they decided not to add the ability to Lean and shoot in single player because one of the EA's executive's sister has scoliosis and her spinal cord is all deformed so out of common courtesy 2015 decided to leave out Lean as it would make her more depressed when she see's someone's spine bending sideways repeatedly at a forty-five degree angle . see ? thats why no lean , and they wanted us kids to believe it was because the enemy AI couldnt react properly to a leaning soldier . pftt

If MOHAA is an "arcade game", then what the hell is RTCW?!?!

I don't care about the prones as far as SP is concerned. SP is just practice for the 'real' war. Lol. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

But to leave them out of MP puts MoH on the second level of Soldier Shooters I'm afraid. I mean, who the phak is going to take a crouching sniper seriously??? What sane soldier would crouch over a rise when rounds are in-coming???

Don't bother defending it. The principle is as old as time...don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk. 2015 want to be taken seriously as developers, and want their game to be respected...then bloody well do the job properly and don't hand out shonky BS excuses for delivering a sub-standard package. Walk the bloody walk or shut up with the talk.

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Maybe you should just settle down Siggi. All you are doing is badmouthing 2015 about no prone, when you are not helping the situation. Saying how incompetent they are, will not get u prone in Multiplayer. Maybe they might include it in a patch later on, who knows.

Hey, if they dropped the ball (and they have) we, the guys who are going to be parting with our hard-earned, have a right to bend their ears over it.

More importantly, if nobody bitches about it what will make them think anyone gives a damn?

I've been on the PC gaming scene since 1993 and I've learned that polite requests get one nowhere. The only thing that makes these people listen is a threat to their reputations and bank accounts. If they think a game is getting bad publicity because people are bitching about it's shortcomings they are more likely to address the issue so sales don't suffer. If you think they actually CARE about you and your gaming pleasure all I can say is you are very naive.

Bottom line...if you see a glaring deficiency in a game, holler loud and long...it's the only chance you'll get of seeing it put right.

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If you want a more realistic approach when it comes to damage.

Go play Soldier of Fortune on realistic setting servers. Plenty of one/two hit kills there.

Me, well I deal with "realism" on a daily basis, I don't know about all of you, but I like to GET AWAY from it when I go online, but that's just me, hehe http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
Ah, and here we have one of the Brat-Contingent's finest...AlphaLeader.

One day you will become aware of just how sad and pathetic you make yourself appear to everyone else with your foul-mouthed abuse. You probably think it's clever, and in the company of your peers in the corner of the school-yard it is probably the height of social refinement. But here it just makes you sound like a total prick.

No worries though, I consider it free entertainment...like watching the antics of a chimp on TV. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Sounds to me like Siggi needs to get a life. He sounds like he's an old man bitching about a computer game because it is lacking a few things that would be in a sim game. THIS IS A TEEN GAME....if you dont like the things in the TEEN GAME then take a hike. THE GAME IS FINISHED. If you dont like something then SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE because it's not gunna get changed by the developers, go get some modding friends to do it for you if u really care that much about how someone mite take cover in certain situations in real life, in a game all u have to do is hide behind something or crouch for a second and then pop out and kill the guy a couple seconds later, no use dislocating your hip trying to get 2 feet closer to the ground siggy http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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What i wanna know is......WHY CAN THE AI GO PRONE AND WE CANT? NOT FAIR IF OYU ASK ME........

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Soldier:Yes...They are the missions you get medals for.....only they send them to your releatives.

What do you mean no prone position?!!

How am i supposed to satisfy those lonly french women with no prone position?!!

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Soldier:Yes...They are the missions you get medals for.....only they send them to your releatives.

some have seen players in prone position, but there is no key for it in the demo. thats why i didnt believe them at first, maybe they just saw it wrong. but last time a friend said he saw ME in prone position. i was using a sniper rifle on the axis side, was in crouch mode and zoomed in. i think i was crouching too. mybe thats the only way to get prone in the mp demo http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

As long as everybody plays by the same rules,I don't see the problem.

If it takes two or three shots to knock you out with my Garand,it should take the same number of shots to do the same thing with your sniper rifle.

Why do you think so many want to use the sniper guns and rpgs'?,one shot kills maybe.

And since when does a foe with a shotgun run across a street, into a building,across a room while you empty a BAR on them to kill you? Real or arcade,that's just moronic.

Prone,no big deal even tho it would be nice to have,don't you believe no one should be able to on either side?(single or multi play)

If you want to do all that sidesteppin,back and forth and bunnie hopping,that's ok with me,but if I hit you with a 30-06 anywhere your square dancing jiggin day should be over.



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This is alot of whining over one portion of the game. If you don't like it, why are you here?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
This is alot of whining over one portion of the game. If you don't like it, why are you here?

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Wolfshook, that is the question that seems to run through my mind ever since I visited the forums of a game still in development, people just seem to comment about every tiny little thing they don't like. I guess instead of the EA logo and stuff, they should replace it with a big sign saying: "The contents of the demo do not represent the contents of the full game, and do not nag about every small thing you don't like, cause there simply is no pleasing everyone"

Wolfshook, I agree with you 110%



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
I think that would be a mod too far for anyone without the source code. Changing white smoke puffs to red is one thing, adding a whole new bunch of positions and animations to the core code is another.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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its not that hard ad think, a retired game developer might do it for us. lol

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
I would like to have such a game, as well, however, your own post answers your question, as to why MOH:AA isn't a true sim. The big companies really don't think there are enough gamers out there who would buy a game like that.

They are wrong, but I truly think it is what they think.

And yes, MOH:AA could do with a better hit-location system, and reaction to such damage, but you play what you get. And, MOH is enough for me to enjoy.

I'm waiting on a VR system that I can hook up to, and have it be really, truly, like living during WW2. But, that won't happen before I die, so I have to lower my standards. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

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MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH i should live to 2015 lol or 2050. MUHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAH! VR, that would be cool as how shit comes out ur ass?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
Hey, if they dropped the ball (and they have) we, the guys who are going to be parting with our hard-earned, have a right to bend their ears over it.

More importantly, if nobody bitches about it what will make them think anyone gives a damn?

I've been on the PC gaming scene since 1993 and I've learned that polite requests get one nowhere. The only thing that makes these people listen is a threat to their reputations and bank accounts. If they think a game is getting bad publicity because people are bitching about it's shortcomings they are more likely to address the issue so sales don't suffer. If you think they actually CARE about you and your gaming pleasure all I can say is you are very naive.

Bottom line...if you see a glaring deficiency in a game, holler loud and long...it's the only chance you'll get of seeing it put right.

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shut the fuck up

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WileyP:
As long as everybody plays by the same rules,I don't see the problem.

If it takes two or three shots to knock you out with my Garand,it should take the same number of shots to do the same thing with your sniper rifle.

Why do you think so many want to use the sniper guns and rpgs'?,one shot kills maybe.

And since when does a foe with a shotgun run across a street, into a building,across a room while you empty a BAR on them to kill you? Real or arcade,that's just moronic.

Prone,no big deal even tho it would be nice to have,don't you believe no one should be able to on either side?(single or multi play)

If you want to do all that sidesteppin,back and forth and bunnie hopping,that's ok with me,but if I hit you with a 30-06 anywhere your square dancing jiggin day should be over.



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its called lag and you cant fucking aim u bitch. next time aim in front of them a little.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
This is alot of whining over one portion of the game. If you don't like it, why are you here?

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mother fu.... mother friend I agree with YOU 210%

Ah, and here we have one of the Brat-Contingent's finest...AlphaLeader.

One day you will become aware of just how sad and pathetic you make yourself appear to everyone else with your foul-mouthed abuse. You probably think it's clever, and in the company of your peers in the corner of the school-yard it is probably the height of social refinement. But here it just makes you sound like a total prick.

No worries though, I consider it free entertainment...like watching the antics of a chimp on TV. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WileyP:


And since when does a foe with a shotgun run across a street, into a building,across a room while you empty a BAR on them to kill you? Real or arcade,that's just moronic.

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I would suggest you learn how to shoot with the SMG's... I for one am now more lethal with it than the shot gun, burst fire and keeping a distance from shotguns is quite easy to do.

I even snipe at medium range with the SMGs, yes SNIPE.

The shotgun is weaker than the SMG, just learn how to use it properly.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
Ah, and here we have one of the Brat-Contingent's finest...AlphaLeader.

One day you will become aware of just how sad and pathetic you make yourself appear to everyone else with your foul-mouthed abuse. You probably think it's clever, and in the company of your peers in the corner of the school-yard it is probably the height of social refinement. But here it just makes you sound like a total prick.

No worries though, I consider it free entertainment...like watching the antics of a chimp on TV. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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ROFL, so true, SS.SGW-Siggi, so true.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
Ah, and here we have one of the Brat-Contingent's finest...AlphaLeader.

One day you will become aware of just how sad and pathetic you make yourself appear to everyone else with your foul-mouthed abuse. You probably think it's clever, and in the company of your peers in the corner of the school-yard it is probably the height of social refinement. But here it just makes you sound like a total prick.

No worries though, I consider it free entertainment...like watching the antics of a chimp on TV. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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LMAO, i agree with u. Look at this silly little boy... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by American-Graffiti:

Sounds to me like Siggi needs to get a life. He sounds like he's an old man bitching about a computer game because it is lacking a few things that would be in a sim game. THIS IS A TEEN GAME....if you dont like the things in the TEEN GAME then take a hike. THE GAME IS FINISHED. If you dont like something then SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LEAVE because it's not gunna get changed by the developers, go get some modding friends to do it for you if u really care that much about how someone mite take cover in certain situations in real life, in a game all u have to do is hide behind something or crouch for a second and then pop out and kill the guy a couple seconds later, no use dislocating your hip trying to get 2 feet closer to the ground siggy http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


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Does this have ANYTHING to do what siggy said over Colt?