North Korea
 

Do you guys think a war with north korea would be tough or easy and fast like desert storm,and north Korea has 4thlargest army but think back to 1991 iraq had 4th biggest and it was obliterated so whats your input.

if US goes to war with north korea im leaving this corrupt country

your sigs are too big n00blet

No Zdan it would not be as fast or easy as Desert Storm, we fought already once in Korea and it ended in stalemate. I think we would win, pretty much hands down...but it would be a tough long fight.

[quote="Pfc.Green":cb1f8]No Zdan it would not be as fast or easy as Desert Storm, we fought already once in Korea and it ended in stalemate. I think we would win, pretty much hands down...but it would be a tough long fight.[/quote:cb1f8]

I dont totally believe we would win but i doubt the Koreans would use the same human wave tactics. How is thier technology compared to ours?

The thing is, is that if war was to happen with North Korea it would most likely have the backing of the U.N. from the start, for it is the U.N. who has been treating N. Korea the toughest.

I have some pieces of a report given to the House in '99.

Do North Korean conventional forces pose a greater threat to peace on the Korean peninsula than five years ago?

North Korea is less capable of successfully invading and occupying South Korea today than it was five years ago, due to issues of readiness, sustainability, and modernization. It has, however, built an advantage in long-range artillery, short-range ballistic missiles, and special operations forces. This development, along with its chemical and biological weapons capability and forward-deployed forces, gives North Korea the ability to inflict significant casualties on U.S. and South Korean forces and civilians in the earliest stages of any conflict.

the defense of North Korea. For these purposes, North Korea has a ground force with roughly 900,000 active-duty troops organized into 32 active infantry divisions. The North Korean army fields nearly 5,000 tanks, 2,000 armored personnel carriers (APC), almost 13,000 artillery pieces, and 2,400 multiple rocket launchers. The most capable ground units are forward-deployed and capable of initiating hostilities with little advanced warning. The most significant development in recent years has been the continued deployment of long-range artillery systems, including 240 mm multiple rocket launchers and 170 mm self-propelled artillery guns near the DMZ and within range of Seoul.

North Korea maintains a large, highly-trained special operations force of 100,000. These forces have the basic missions of conducting operations in the enemy's rear area, reconnaissance, infantry operations, and protecting North Korea's rear areas.(63) All in all, North Korea presents a formidable military force capable of inflicting serious damage in times of war in South Korea and to U.S. forces stationed there. However, like any military force today, maintaining a modern, well-equipped, and ready armed force is a challenge.

So I believe yes, a war with N.Korea would be VERY costly, but that said I do believe we would win

going to war with korea would be a waste of human lives

[quote="Old Reliable":0b807]going to war with korea would be a waste of human lives[/quote:0b807]

Thats why we are trying not to.

[quote="Pfc.Green":e3c6e][quote="Old Reliable":e3c6e]going to war with korea would be a waste of human lives[/quote:e3c6e]

Thats why we are trying not to.[/quote:e3c6e]

Hmmm.... Interesting answer.

A country with a leader that kills his own people, trying to with weapons of mass destruction that, and we are tryingnot to go to war with them. There is something wrong with that picture.
Chemical Weapons Program
In 1954 the Soviet Union and China transferred certain special technologies as well as chemical agents and means of protection against them captured from the Japanese and Kuomintang during World War II to the Korean People's Army [KPA]. The next five years were marked by the swift development of the DPRK chemical industry. Despite the fact that the country possessed considerable deposits of natural raw materials, it proved to be a rather difficult task to create domestic capacities for producing chemical weapons. In 1964 the DPRK concluded a contract with Japan for deliveries of agricultural chemicals. Under their guise, components came into the country initially for synthesis of tabun and mustard gas, and a later chlorine and phosphorus-containing organic compounds were imported.
North Korea’s chemical warfare program is believed to be mature and includes the capability, since 1989, to indigenously produce bulk quantities of nerve, blister, choking and blood chemical agents as well as a variety of different filled munitions systems. North Korea is believed to possess a sizable stockpile of chemical weapons, which could be employed in offensive military operations against the South. North Korea has also devoted considerable scarce resources to defensive measures aimed at protecting its civilian population and military forces from the effects of chemical weapons. Such measures include extensive training in the use of protective masks, suits, detectors, and decontamination systems. Though these measures are ostensibly focused on a perceived threat from U.S. and South Korean forces, they could also support the offensive use of chemical weapons by the North during combat. North Korea has yet to sign the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) and is not expected to do so in the near-term, due to intrusive inspection and verification requirements mandated by the agreement.

North Korea maintains a number of facilities involved in producing or storing chemical precursors, agents, and weapons. North Korea has at least eight industrial facilities that can produce chemical agents; however, the production rate and types of munitions are uncertain. Presumably, sarin, tabun, phosgene, adamsite, prussic acid and a family of mustard gases, comprising the basis of KPA chemical weapons, are produced here. North Korea has the capability to produce nerve gas, blood agents, and the mustard-gas family of chemical weapons.

In the assessment of US intelligence services, their reserves, accommodated in perhaps half a dozen major storage sites and as many as 170 mountain tunnels, are at least 180 to 250 tons, with some estimates of chemical stockpiles run as high as 5,000 tons. In May 1996 ROK Foreign Minister Yu Chong-ha reported to the National Assembly that it was estimated that North Korea possessed approximately 5,000 ton of biological and chemical weapons. Given the extensive production facilities, this later estimate may constitute the low end of the actual stockpile.


North Korea is capable of producing and employing chemical weapons that virtually all the fire support systems in its inventory could deliver, including most of its artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers (including those mounted on CHAHO-type boats), and mortars. Some bombs the Air Force employs also could deliver chemical agents, as could the FROG or the SCUD missile.

Chemicals could increase the impact of a surprise attack. If the North should use this option, it would have an advantage over forward-deployed South Korean and US forces. Nonpersistent chemical agents also could be used to break through defensive lines or hinder a South Korean counterattack's momentum. Persistent chemical agents could be used against fixed targets in the rear areas, such as command and control elements, major lines of communications, or logistic depots. Not only do these weapons enhance North Korea's offensive capabilities, but this chemical capability could deter South Korea or the United States from using chemicals during hostilities. In any attack on the South, Pyongyang could use chemical weapons to attack forces deployed near the DMZ, suppress allied airpower, and isolate the peninsula from strategic reinforcement.

North Korean military units conduct regular NBC defensive training exercises in preparation for operations in a chemical environment. North Korea has chemical defense units at all levels of its force structure. These units are equipped with decontamination and detection equipment. North Korean military personnel have access to individual protective masks and protective suits.

Since 1990, Pyongyang has placed high priority on military and civilian chemical defense readiness. It has mandated operational training in chemical environments as an integral part of armed forces training and is trying to equip all military forces, including reserves, with full protective gear. In addition, the leadership has required broad segments of the population to engage periodically in simulated chemical warfare drills. Pyongyang has emphasized building and installing collective protection equipment at military production and civilian alternate wartime relocation sites, directing that the entire population be issued protective masks.

trying not to waste human lives would mean NOT going to war altogether.

[quote="{1CAB}ThiRTeeN":aacc1]trying not to waste human lives would mean NOT going to war altogether.[/quote:aacc1]

Very true... But it is easier to attack someplace like Iraq that is already weak then attack North Korea who might give us a real fight. Noone want to see the friends or family members die in a war, so attacking Korea would be political sucide, whereas in Iraq the losses should be mimmal for our troops and it could be an easy victory. Of course the after effects could be devistating, but who cares Bush will have his trophy.

North Korea is crazy... A war with them would likely end up to be a very long long war with massive casualties... And probably the use of Nukes. North Koreans are already starving and such... they've got nothing to loose... the more people who die the more food the survivors have to go around... its a crazy world out there.

Using Nukes would fuck over the whole planet. Forget just the people in the war our ecosystem will be fucked for a number of years. (I know I might sound like a tree hugger but it is true) America has to think about how much they wanna lose and how much they want the rest of us to lose on Bush's ego trip.

russia wouldnt help us if we went to war with north korea...

[quote="Old Reliable":0a917]russia wouldnt help us if we went to war with north korea...[/quote:0a917]

Your point, oh cynical one?

war with north korea isnt even an issue right now, but war with Iraq is in the presidents mind. he is turning into a war monger thinking it is justifiable with 9/11...well mr. bush hate to tell ya but that is in the past. diplomacy is the strongest power. I mean look at it, the entire UN negotiating with North Korea...if something cant be accomplished with that, nothing will hake:

[quote="Old Reliable":16981] diplomacy is the strongest power.[/quote:16981]

History would beg to differ.

well, enter NUCLEAR BOMB. that would beg to differ....

[quote="Pfc.Green":9e5b5][quote="Old Reliable":9e5b5] diplomacy is the strongest power.[/quote:9e5b5]

History would beg to differ.[/quote:9e5b5]

History is the past. He talking about the future. The is no future for the those that die needlessly in war.

All I know is that I played the Korean campaign in Falcon 4. And those crazy bastards push us all the way to the tip of the peninsula, where Japan was one of our only places left to launch bombers from and take out the Koreans. I think the war lasted a good week or so before the US withdrew all forces. This is why I would not want ot go to war with Korea, of course i had the setting on real hard, and I made the N. Korean supply larger than it was suppossed to be. The point is, I think we would be in for one hell of a fight.

[quote="EasyTrick2.0":8998b]All I know is that I played the Korean campaign in Falcon 4. And those crazy bastards push us all the way to the tip of the peninsula, where Japan was one of our only places left to launch bombers from and take out the Koreans. I think the war lasted a good week or so before the US withdrew all forces. This is why I would not want ot go to war with Korea, of course i had the setting on real hard, and I made the N. Korean supply larger than it was suppossed to be. The point is, I think we would be in for one hell of a fight.[/quote:8998b]

Ummm...next time base your feeling/thoughts on something other than a computer game eek:

Ok, i'll give my opinions but let me clarify one lil' thing for the crowd here.
The American government is a "Democratic operation", not a "Dictatorship" so lets get the "Evil Bush" thoughts out of your lil' heads. Bush can't do anything without the approval of Congress.

With that said, a war with Korea would seriously fuck things up for East Asia. Don't think for one minute that China would do nothing. They'd probably invade Taiwan and we wouldn't be able to do nothing since we'd already have our hands full. With the threat of nukes flying around, it wouldn't be pretty. I for one would seriously see some action here in NY....one of the 1st places targeted in any attack. The problem with that is i can't defend against a missle!!
War with any country is no joke but sometimes there is no other alternative. There is more than oil in Iraq that drives this country to war with them. Believe it or not, the American government hides things from the general public. I'm quite sure "they" know what they're doing. Why do you think Countries like Britain, Australia, Kuwait, and Israel (to name a few) are backing the US? No one wants to see a terrorist group be supplied a nuclear device, and thats what will happen if Saddam stays in power. Believe it or not, America might not be the 1st one to be hit by a terrorist nuke attack. Lets hope it never gets that far.
I'm standing behind President Bush and company on this invasion/ disarmament.

well the thing Bush is obviously neglecting is the interest of the American economy.....

[quote="Old Reliable":189a4]well the thing Bush is obviously neglecting is the interest of the American economy.....[/quote:189a4]

The same could be said about all the other presidents that sent this country to war.

One run of a squadron of stealth bombers would be enough to disable most of North Korea. We could destroy the entire country with just conventional weapons, probably.

Standing behind Bush is about the safest place to be. I am sure they know what the are doing as wall. And there is always an alternative to a war that has not started. And you are right no one want to see a terrorist group with a nuclear device, and you suggest we do nothing about North Korea, who will sell whatever to the highest bidder. As far as saddam being tied to Al queda highly doubtful. As for Al Queda having people in Iraq., very likely. If Sadam knew who they were they would be dead, and if they could get near Saddam he would be dead.
I'm not standing anywhere near President Bush and company on this invasion.

well this war is unlike those wars, it basically comes down to the world's supply of petroleum and OPEC. they have control of it and our import buying power of oil. right now the economy sux (if you hadnt notice the DJIA dropped below 8k). many companies filing for chapter 11 and also a significan increase in corruption. i also heard bill gates is donating 200 million smackeroonies to aid 3rd world research oOo:

Well Spark, i didn't mean to imply that the US should ignore the crisis facing the "World" in Korea. I just think if a war was to break out with them, it would get ugly across the globe and real fast.

WOW, i have never thought of it that way.....
i dont think they would target america first, the first place they target would be israel.

Well I for one think if we had a war with them it would be over pretty fast if they the N.Koreans decided to use nuclear or chemicle wepons because President Bush said it himself and it was a headline in the paper and it said WE WILL NUKE YOU.

just know one thing if we go to war with korea, know where the nearest fallout shelter is

[quote="[RA]ZdaN":0adb8]Well I for one think if we had a war with them it would be over pretty fast if they the N.Koreans decided to use nuclear or chemicle wepons because President Bush said it himself and it was a headline in the paper and it said WE WILL NUKE YOU.[/quote:0adb8]

Please don't give me more reasons ot dislike bush. Nuclear weapons should never ever be an options. And none of this,,,, childish "well if they do it first" crap. >

I want to know where your mom is when we go to war with korea

[quote="Low spark":d5d67][quote="[RA]ZdaN":d5d67]Well I for one think if we had a war with them it would be over pretty fast if they the N.Koreans decided to use nuclear or chemicle wepons because President Bush said it himself and it was a headline in the paper and it said WE WILL NUKE YOU.[/quote:d5d67]

Please don't give me more reasons ot dislike bush. Nuclear weapons should never ever be an options. And none of this,,,, childish "well if they do it first" crap. >[/quote:d5d67]

Thats not a reason for dislikeing Bush i just think hes very bold to say that but now if anything so major with N.Korea happens that is beyond beleif Bush will nuke them

[quote="[RA]ZdaN":7b58b][quote="Low spark":7b58b][quote="[RA]ZdaN":7b58b]Well I for one think if we had a war with them it would be over pretty fast if they the N.Koreans decided to use nuclear or chemicle wepons because President Bush said it himself and it was a headline in the paper and it said WE WILL NUKE YOU.[/quote:7b58b]

Please don't give me more reasons ot dislike bush. Nuclear weapons should never ever be an options. And none of this,,,, childish "well if they do it first" crap. >[/quote:7b58b]

Thats not a reason for dislikeing Bush i just think hes very bold to say that but now if anything so major with N.Korea happens that is beyond beleif Bush will nuke them[/quote:7b58b]

You're right Bush wants to go to war with a country that may have or is trying to get WMBs. But he does have and is using WMB as a threat against anoter country. Thats no reason to think any less of him,

[quote="Low spark":99aa5]

Please don't give me more reasons ot dislike bush. >[/quote:99aa5]

NEWS FLASH: He won the election. Hes the president. He makes the decisions now. The majority voted for him. Hes gonna be president for a while. No amount of cutting and pasting is going to change that.

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[quote="Low spark":58a64]Please don't give me more reasons ot dislike bush. Nuclear weapons should never ever be an options. And none of this,,,, childish "well if they do it first" crap. >[/quote:58a64]

C'mon Spark, i thought you were smarter than that. What should the US, or ANY country for that matter do if North Korea nuked them?
What would you do if your beloved Canada got nuked?

I certainly would not Nuke them. What good is the death of Billions. Do we really win.

Well, we can't just take it in the ass, can we? Something would have to be done....and something BIG.

Well Bush choosing not to re-sign the ICBM treaty is sure making me kinda nervious. I mean, I wonder what that nutcase has planned