OUR COUNTRY
 

i read a lot of posts by people from other countries. mostly i respect their opinions and their right to have and share them with others.i try to ignore the jackasses who bash our country in a lame effert to start a flame war or whatever. so for all you people who dont live in this country i submit this to you so youll see what i think is the way most americans feel about the current state of this country.

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multi cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a m! ove to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

WTF? you're talking like religion is one of this country's merits, in fact it's more of a problem, too many self-righteous shits (john asscroft) are trying to push their idea of "morality" on the rest of us

[quote="Sgt Stryker":8b029]WTF? you're talking like religion is one of this country's merits, in fact it's more of a problem, too many self-righteous shits (john asscroft) are trying to push their idea of "morality" on the rest of us[/quote:8b029]

Well, when you have a country that espouses religious freedom(400+ recognized denominations)religion can be a "problem". If you are receptive to it, fine. If not, so be it.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":8dae5]WTF? you're talking like religion is one of this country's merits, in fact it's more of a problem, too many self-righteous shits (john asscroft) are trying to push their idea of "morality" on the rest of us[/quote:8dae5]

true-but American colonies were founded on christian values. I think everyone should have a right to religion, but they shouldnt sew people who say things about how good jesus is and stuff.

MORON
 

[quote="Sgt Stryker":69368]WTF? you're talking like religion is one of this country's merits, in fact it's more of a problem, too many self-righteous shits (john asscroft) are trying to push their idea of "morality" on the rest of us[/quote:69368]

you say "trying to push their idea of morality on the rest of us"

maybe i misunderstood you quote. are you saying your not in favor of morals and you resent someone trying to give you some. are you telling everyone who reads this that your an imoral person and you like being that way??correct me if im wrong but it seems thats what your saying here. if thats the case.dont bother to respond. your obviousely and idiot and not overly bright and not worth disscussing this with.

[quote="Jedi Marksman":d026b][quote="Sgt Stryker":d026b]WTF? you're talking like religion is one of this country's merits, in fact it's more of a problem, too many self-righteous shits (john asscroft) are trying to push their idea of "morality" on the rest of us[/quote:d026b]

Well, when you have a country that espouses religious freedom(400+ recognized denominations)religion can be a "problem". If you are receptive to it, fine. If not, so be it.[/quote:d026b]

what I mean is that though I agree that people should be free to worships whatever they wish (including nothing/no one ) we would be better off if religion didn't make people stupid

(ever see the nuts who are camped out at the movie theaters for days to protest the Force when episode 2 came out? surely these people could be contributing to our society instead of standing there yelling "george lucas is teh devil")

Re: MORON
 

[quote=BUTCH]you say "trying to push their idea of morality on the rest of us"

maybe i misunderstood you quote. are you saying your not in favor of morals and you resent someone trying to give you some. are you telling everyone who reads this that your an imoral person and you like being that way??correct me if im wrong but it seems thats what your saying here. if thats the case.dont bother to respond. your obviousely and idiot and not overly bright and not worth disscussing this with.[/quote:c9d0d]


i think morals are not the same for everyone-depending oon how people grow up, where they live, waht they do, ect affects peoples' morals

Re: MORON
 

[quote=BUTCH]you say "trying to push their idea of morality on the rest of us"

maybe i misunderstood you quote. are you saying your not in favor of morals and you resent someone trying to give you some. are you telling everyone who reads this that your an imoral person and you like being that way??correct me if im wrong but it seems thats what your saying here. if thats the case.dont bother to respond. your obviousely and idiot and not overly bright and not worth disscussing this with.[/quote:fd1be]

not morals, "morals" (for example Ashcroft seems to have nothing against the government acting like big brother, but heaven forbid abortion being legal)

[quote="Sgt Stryker":e88aa][quote
(ever see the nuts who are camped out at the movie theaters for days to protest the Force when episode 2 came out? surely these people could be contributing to our society instead of standing there yelling "george lucas is teh devil")[/quote:e88aa]

but they have the right of speech/assembly dont they?

also it's "moral" to force a person who was a victim of a violent crime to live their life paralyzed, but it is "immoral" to do stem cell research which may very well grow the demaged nerves back.

Morals? pfffft! this ain't 1864. Now be a little good boy and stand still while I shoot it up your nostril.

morals
 

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i think morals are not the same for everyone-depending oon how people grow up, where they live, waht they do, ect affects peoples' morals[/quote:dd4ad]


i disagree with you. it dont matter how or where you grew up. i believe every person in the world knows the difference in right and wrong. we make decissions every day based on the morals we have. cheat on your wife or girlfriend/ you know its not right. see someone who needs help/and choose not to help/ take something that dont belong to you/ rob / steal / cheat / when people do these things they know while their doin it its morally wrong. but they do it anyway. they understand full well what their doin and know its morally wrong to do it. those people have no marals but they know the meaning of the word all the same.

[quote=negative]but they have the right of speech/assembly dont they?[/quote:d7255]

yes they do, but I never said religion should be banned, I just said that it does more harm than good.
But to me my freedom is more important than the lack of nutcases, so whatever, if they like acting like fools, more power to them.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":51c06][quote=negative]but they have the right of speech/assembly dont they?[/quote:51c06]

yes they do, but I never said religion should be banned, I just said that it does more harm than good.
But to me my freedom is more important than the lack of nutcases, so whatever, if they like acting like fools, more power to them.[/quote:51c06]
Religion is not a bad concept, it keeps the simple people in line. It's those christian fundamentalists that give me heebie-jeebies.

LOL, that makes me think of the pirates in Mupper Treasure Island

"PLEEEASE FORGIVE US!!!!"

YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT
 

im not goina spend a lot of time in a flame war with you. so ill make this short. it occurs to me you have over 4500 posts. ive been around here for a long time. i find most if not all your posts are just moronic ramblings. this one is a screaming example of your intellect. im sure some of the kids find you some what amusing and think your posts are very cool and you probably have a high opinion of yourself. go with that if it makes you feel good about yourself. but i expect most people on this forum have a much different opinion of you as do i.

Re: morals
 

[quote=BUTCH][/quote:20113]

if you grew up with nothing, then you would have a different mentality than someone who grows up in a middle-class family. If i were really poor, I would have no problem doing whatever i can to get food on the table,

Re: morals
 

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HEY WTF! I never said that quit trying to put words in my mouth

Re: YOU SIR ARE AN IDIOT
 

awwww, I think he likes me! c'mere you widdle huggable cutsey poo!

o forgot to delete your name--bUTCH said that

Re: morals
 

[quote=negative][/quote:bd647]


ok..i see your point. now you answer me this. if your in the situation you describe. and you stole food to feed your family. do you think that makes it ok to do. or do you feel like you did something wrong .your sitting at the table eating the stolen food.as you and your family are eating does it bother you at all the fact that you stole or do you just not give it a tought in the world. now think before you answer. this question is very deep. really think about the situation i described. could have a lot to do with what morals you have or dont have. ill be interested in your responce. thanks for the great post. i wish they all were a thought provoking as yours.

i wouldnt really feel bad, but i would understand its wrong-and would know the consequences. okay heres a question. We all know its wrong to lie. But what about the family housing Anne Frank who lied to the germans? he lied to protect people he cared about. was he wrong for lying?

i wouldnt really feel bad, but i would understand its wrong-and would know the consequences. okay heres a question. We all know its wrong to lie. But what about the family housing Anne Frank who lied to the germans? he lied to protect people he cared about. was he wrong for lying?

the board shut down-sorry if this is posted twice

GREAT POINT
 

given the situation i think any moral person would have done the same thing. i think your breaking the morals question down to its smallest form. i think your asking me is lying wrong. i think if everyone was absolutly honest with everyone all the time it would be a crazy world to live in. would you tell your boss exactly how you feel about him or hurt someones feelings for the sake of being honest. someone asks you..how do you like my car/ my dress / my hair / . do you tell them you think it sucks and hurt their feelings. of course you dont. actually give this some thought. this form gives everyone the ability to say whatever they want to whoever they want without having to deal with the repercussions. you see the state these forums are in. thats the best example i can think of at the moment.

yeah-you have me there. BTW: would you rather be the one getting robbed and beat up, or robbing and beating up others? Im saying sometimes you have to change your morals in order to survive. Even many national leaders are corrupt, but rich and wealthy.

Re: OUR COUNTRY
 

.....Jeez..Who ressurected Hitler...?

AGAIN I DISAGREE
 

given the choice ill take trying to defend myself from being beat up or robbed every time. its not a question of changing your morals to survive. its a question of teaching morals to the children so we can all survive in the furture. which brings this debate back to the beginning. point being..are morals important. i say they are for the "survival " as you put it of us all. imagine what a world this would be if everyone had morals and conducted themselves in a moral mannor. this thing got started by the question of morals. i think anyone who saw all the posts would agree that the more people who have morals and use them will make the intire world a better place for everyone to live. last thought..anyone who disagrees with that thought is part of the problem instead of the sulution. just my opinion.

Re: OUR COUNTRY
 

You know if you switch America with Iraq in your statement puts alot of things come into perspective. You don't want to be changed by foreigners, then why do you go around the world trying to change others?

MY MAN TRIPPER
 

TRIPPER

i wondered how long it take for you to come along with some stupid comments. i think this was mostly a very good debate on the moral issus. but i also knew it was only a matter of time before the...how shall i put this..ASSHOLES..showed up to nothing but post flames and be disruptive to the thread. im pretty much done here anyway so have at it. dont expect me to answer posts that are just BULLSHIT FLAMES..if i see a intellegent post ill be happy to repond. for those of you who posted here with your sincere ideas i say..THANKS...i enjoyed it very much..to the rest i say..you might read this whole thing carefully ....you might learn something.

Re: MY MAN TRIPPER
 

My question was legitimate, answer it. cutey-pie. Afterall, you do seem think you know all.

INNOXX
 

INNOXX

finally you decided to say something half ass thought provoking. THANKS...as i have to go out for a while i dont have time to get into this with you. but ill be back later if your still around. thanks for not reducing this very good thread to just another piece of crap thread. theres way too many of those already. ill check back later to see how its goin. im outa here.

ahahahahahahhahaha believe it or not but I had to write a response to that same load of crap for my political science class ahahahahahahahahahhaha ahahahahhahaha

Re: OUR COUNTRY
 

Heh. Many, many southerners feel exactly that way about the ever increasing influx of yankees into our beloved south. Practice what you preach!!!! cool:

So Innoxx let me get this straight. You dont think we should remove a dictator who kills his own civilians from power? You think we should just stand by as he rebuilds his Army with chemical, biological, perhaps eventually nuclear weapons? That way if he ever decides to invade Kuwait again he can use them against them, and whoever tries to kick him out.

Where not trying to force "Americanism" onto the people of Iraq. Were trying to remove the fdictator from power while eliminating his weapons of mass destruction. Where not going to go in and write them a declatation of Indeipendance. Were not going to go and attmept to change ever aspect of there life to be "politically correct". We simply dont want the dictator in power with weapons of that power.

Besides if you were to switch out Iraq and the Us then the minorities would have been gassed for trying to change the establishment. Just like the Curds who tried to overthrow Saddam.

The chances of Iraq being a threat to North America is slim to nil at the moment. I'm not worried about Saddam, if I were you I'd be worried about world terrorism, by invading Iraq, do you think you're going to make the terrorists more or less pissed? Politicians all around the world kill their own people for self-gain in one way or another... nothing new. Afterall, Saddam didn't making the WTC crumble, terrorists did that. This is a war on a terror, right?

I just don't think we should go there.... YET.

I dont care about terrorist. I dont live in fear like 90% of these paranoid asshats. I dont really care about Saddam being a threat to the US. Shit if we only looked at weather they could hurt us we wouldnt be worried about N. Korea at the moment.

You people make it seem as if we should only react when something effects us personally. When someone lands a blow against us. I live by the doctrine a good offense is the best defense. Our offense just happens to be the best in the world.

Now spetember 11th was an unexpected, farily unwarented attack. There paying for it now. So you can throw the first punch and loose, or we can pre-emt that punch and kick your ass. Its all the same, the only differance is who gets hurt by it. America or an allie loosing people in the first pumch. Or only the assholes loosing troops to prevent them getting that fighting spirt.

We continue to wag war on terrorist. Let them get pissed off, it will make them make mistakes. I dont see why you would say we should only be concerned about terrorist when there under "control", and not be concerned about the madman who wants to be a terrorist.

Nature's tool against the weak and underserving used to be survival of the
fittest. (This should stir the shit a little.)

thanks for pickin up where i left off. i couldnt have said it better myself. WELL DONE. just another thought..it seems to me the mentality of some people who think if we invade saddam well piss off the terorist. its kinda like when you were in school and there was a bully. if i dont bother him and hide from him maybe he wont beat me up so why should i do anything about it. hes not botherin me. the problem with that logic is...sooner or later he will get around to you. had you done something earlier about the problem you wouldnt be gettin your butt kicked now. point is maybe saddam cant do much at the moment. but hes tryin his butt off to get it done. the more time we give him the more chance he has to create something to do the job..make no mistake hed love to come up with something to send over here. he also wouldnt mind giving it to some terrorist to bring over here for him. and this crap about dont piss off the terrorist. screw the terrorist. root them out and destroy them. thats exactly what we are doing. and exactly what we sould be doing. terrorism is everybodys problem all over the world. stickin your head in the sand and hopeing for the best is exactly what they want us to do. those people only understand one thing. like the bully..who hits the hardest and will make us pay the worst. ask bin ladden..he knows the answer.

Dude, have you heard of PARAGRAPHS? It makes what you type seem a little less boring.....Yeah I know that sounds stupid, but your writing just looks so boring compared to others that I just can't be fucked reading through it......

I'm sure everyone else feels the same way.

NOT REALLY
 

and its still that way. right now saddam rules his country with force and soldiers to make the people do what he wants. but we are the fittest in this game and hes about to find that out. difference is. were not interested in taking his country over and ruleing it..WE COULD...but that not the idea. i have friends who were in the gulf war. when saddams soliders were giving up they were grateful to the americans for getting them outa that crap deal they had. they didnt yell we want to see alla...and well fight to the death. it was more like and i quote.." WE LOVE GEORGE BUSH"..does that sound like people who are willing to die for saddam. i dont think so.those people just want to be able to live there lives in peace and quiet like most everybody in the world. people said..afghanistan dont need our help..stay out..they dont want you there. we went anyway...now the women can uncover there face. be seen in public. laugh..women were beaten for laughing..people can listen to a radio..before that was not allowed. watch tv..again..not allowed..you think those people are glad we came over there..HELL YES THEY ARE. itll be no different in iraq. when saddam is gone the people will rejoice in the streets. might even sing yankee doddle dandy. well..maybe not.