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Hi,

Just like to say im proud my nations fighting alongside the USA in Iraq, we owe your nation alot in the past and im glad we are there alongside you when the time comes.

Theres alot of anti-war feelings in the UK, personally I think fuelled by ignorance and hypocracy, its always amusing to watch human rights protestors rallying to defend a country with the worst human rights attrocities in the modern world.

Still people will march against anything these days, especially if your French, I just hope the US econemy cripples the French financially post-war for their monsterous ingratitude and decent. You couldnt believe that thousands of Americans gave up their lives to save these ungrateful traitors.

Anyway I pray its a short war and hope the freed people of Iraq have a more prosperous future in years to come.

p

Either way, it's a sad day.

Well said, Prey.

Moved to off topic.

One more thing. Please watch the remark against the French and or any other ethnic group. I understand making fun of them or joking about them, but please keep it within reason.

Personally I have my own feeling towards the French, that I will keep to myself.

May god watch over all the troops and keep them safe. Please let this war be over fast.

Ummm nothing rascist was said against the French im always concious of this, I dont see a problem with sharing personal beliefs in an issue as im not in a mutual position unlike your particular role as Admin here.

I cannot stress enough my disbelief regarding the French attitude, seeing as they made it quite clear they would vito any further attempts by the US/UK to pursue a peaceful alternative. From Germany its understandable as there is always friction there, but the French owe the USA far more seeing as they were liberated by this country during the 1940`s.

For anyone that might not have understood what was happening in the UN, basically the US/UK and Spain were trying to include a further resolution, to improve on the floundering peace process, and the French decided that whatever the resolution was about they would vito (block) this new resolution as soon as it emerged, not even considering it, in a pig-headed irrational attitude.

That was the final straw and faced with a failed peace process by an irrational permanant member of the UN, they had little option but to go to war to disarm Sadam.

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":f8862] but the French owe the USA far more seeing as they were liberated by this country during the 1940`s.

[/quote:f8862]

Bullshit, if thats the case then america must still owe them for the french helping with their war against you brits. Wtf do you want the french to be on their knees for the rest of time for something that happened 60 years ago?

oOo:

It's one thing to say the French government and people owe America and Britain (and Canada, and Australia, and all the other allied contingent of the second Great War) for liberating them but it's entirely another to expect an entire nation to do something completely against their beliefs.

If the French truly don't believe in war then why on this Earth should they be expect, nay demanded, to commit to it?

War is a terrible and horrible thing and no matter what the cause, design or reason it is not a sin to protest against it.

I feel that I owe my freedom to all of the allied nations who fought in the war but if an American knocked on my door tomorrow and asked me to do something that I did not believe in there's no way I would feel an obligation to do it just because his nation helped mine 60 years ago.

I'm very sadenned that I will have to bring up my first child in war-time.

Two spelling mistakes in that last post that I'd like to edit but um can't oOo:

Sorry for the spam but I'd like to add another point (Would have edited this in too...).

America came to France's aid in the war, this is true. If this means they have an obligation to aid America in a similar situation then I'm sure they would have.

Except, America is not being attacked.

Nor is Great Britain.

So far as I know the French do not have any obligation to the Iraqi people (the exact cause Bush and Blair are saying they want this war for). So why do they have an obligation to help America pro-actively (re-actively?) attack Iraq?

Answer that one.

Could you guys please continue this in the sticky topic at the top of this forum?

Cool.


Zone

each to his own. if we make some friends along the way, great. allies are nice to have around. but i wouldnt expect any country to lay there civilians at the foot of our cause..our war. war just sucks and people die. in todays age, the shock factor and the natural fear of god have gone by the wayside for a lot of people. well not for me..death still sucks...god ownz...war is heinous.

Amen to that, Prey! It's also great to have a fellow supporter of the cause like yourself represent what should be the right coarse of action for the siduation in Iraq. Thank you, and glad to have you! biggrin:

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":4e226]Amen to that, Prey! It's also great to have a fellow supporter of the cause like yourself represent what should be the right coarse of action for the siduation in Iraq. Thank you, and glad to have you! biggrin:[/quote:4e226]


What post of his are u talking about? I thought his points i posted on were a load of bollocks.

Oh sorry, if I don't quote it's usually the very first post, so prey's first one.

Np Joe theres a huge silent majority in UK that feel the same as I do also.

Im ashamed at how some European countries are trying to gell together against the USA all the time, its good to have opposition of course, this is democracy, but there needs to be common sense in the argument also.

France ignored this when they threatened to `vito` no matter what the new resolution was that the US/Uk and Spanish goverments proposed, therefore forcing war on Iraq with no option left.

Its amazing how stupid some people are,

Iraq is a rogue state: Fact

Iraq is funding terrorist groups like the Palastinian terror group Hamas Fact

Iraq is pursuing weapons of mass destruction for some time now Fact

The point is NOT Iraq attacking any single nation `directly` the DANGER is Iraq passing on these `weapons of mass destruction` to terror networks around the globe, and a dirty bomb/anthrax virus being detonated/released in a city like London or New York.

Some idiots cannot see past this argument, and im disappointed that people are so naive to understand this threat! hake:

Whatever is said there's nothing naiive about not wanting war.

It's their right to not go to war.

As if American and Britain need the support, anyway. They were going to commit to this war no matter what the out-come of the inspections, so it's no different.

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":d7340]Np Joe theres a huge silent majority in UK that feel the same as I do also.

Im ashamed at how some European countries are trying to gell together against the USA all the time, its good to have opposition of course, this is democracy, but there needs to be common sense in the argument also.

France ignored this when they threatened to `vito` no matter what the new resolution was that the US/Uk and Spanish goverments proposed, therefore forcing war on Iraq with no option left.

Its amazing how stupid some people are,

Iraq is a rogue state: Fact

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Iraq is funding terrorist groups like the Palastinian terror group Hamas Fact

Iraq is pursuing weapons of mass destruction for some time now Fact

The point is NOT Iraq attacking any single nation `directly` the DANGER is Iraq passing on these `weapons of mass destruction` to terror networks around the globe, and a dirty bomb/anthrax virus being detonated/released in a city like London or New York.

Some idiots cannot see past this argument, and im disappointed that people are so naive to understand this threat! hake:[/quote:d7340]

Holy cow, i can't believe someone broke through !! Prey, you're my new hero....let me buy you a beer. This is everything i've been trying to say. I'm glad there is one other person on this planet who feels the same as me!!
Bravo!!

I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":fdd7a]I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:[/quote:fdd7a]

They weren't scuds according to some news websites, and the pentagon said it as well afaik.

It has just been reported, via cnn 2:30PM that at least one of the missles directed at the milliatary coaliciton and not Kawait(spelling?) was a Scud.

However it is still very early to tell if this is fact or rumor.

Ok we`ll know more shortly I guess

lol the pentagon said it was a fake? NERF SCUDS!

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":e99b0]I think the case has already been proved...

Within the first 24 hours of the War starting Sadam has hit Kuwait City with at least 3 SCUD missiles, Ya`know, The ones he hasnt got? The ones 12 years of inspections were supposed to find?

Theres your proof

God only knows what else hes got hidden, I just hope he doesnt gas the whole of Baghdad when the time comes, who knows what hes going to do, hes already torching the southern oil fields. mad:[/quote:e99b0]

My sentiments exactly.

[quote="Old Reliable":9cae0]NERF SCUDS![/quote:9cae0]

HAW HAW HAW! Whiffle missiles.



Zone

I heard this morning that they were not scuds, but fox news still says at least one was a scud. Who knows?

[quote="Old Reliable":0614e]lol the pentagon said it was a fake? NERF SCUDS![/quote:0614e]

lmfao biggrin:

Did the French really think that their decision would prevent us from going to war? Now that their opinion doens't matter and we are going anyway, they got screwed... they would have gotten what they deserved(oil and money wise) once we liberated Iraq but now they arent getting sh*t. Shows how smart they are.

As for the other nations behind the US, they know whats going down and made the right decisiion on choosing sides.

Why are there so many damn rice throwing liberal commies in my country? I didin't realise how many ppl opposed the war until I went to university today and saw them all walk out.

WTF

Get a backbone people!

This is worth a read;
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Written by: Peter Freundlich of NPR

Food for thought... I'll take some mushroom tea, please...

All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this right?

Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a little thing like democracy as they define it.

Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that, then we have no choice but to ignore them.

Listen. Don't misunderstand. I think it is a good thing that the members of the Bush administration seem to have been reading Lewis Carroll. I only wish someone had pointed out that "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass" are meditations on paradox and puzzle and illogic and on the strangeness of things, not templates for foreign policy. It is amusing for the Mad Hatter to say something like, `We must make war on him because he is a threat to peace,' but not amusing for someone who actually commands an army to say that. As a collector of laughable arguments, I'd be enjoying all this were it not for the fact that I know--we all know--that lives are going to be lost in what amounts to a freak, circular reasoning accident. --

Peter Freundlich / National Public Radio / 13.03.03

[quote="I'm HUGE!":65e54]This is worth a read;
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Written by: Peter Freundlich of NPR

Food for thought... I'll take some mushroom tea, please...

All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein that the United Nations cannot be ignored. We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we will. Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this right?

Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a little thing like democracy as they define it.

Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot afford dissension among ourselves. We must speak with one voice against Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to think it does. And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in power a dictator who ignores his own people. And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand that, then we have no choice but to ignore them.

Listen. Don't misunderstand. I think it is a good thing that the members of the Bush administration seem to have been reading Lewis Carroll. I only wish someone had pointed out that "Alice in Wonderland" and "Through the Looking Glass" are meditations on paradox and puzzle and illogic and on the strangeness of things, not templates for foreign policy. It is amusing for the Mad Hatter to say something like, `We must make war on him because he is a threat to peace,' but not amusing for someone who actually commands an army to say that. As a collector of laughable arguments, I'd be enjoying all this were it not for the fact that I know--we all know--that lives are going to be lost in what amounts to a freak, circular reasoning accident. --

Peter Freundlich / National Public Radio / 13.03.03[/quote:65e54]

Written by some left-wing muppet who doesnt live in the real world.

Sadam poses a direct threat to his neighbours as demonstrated when he invaded iraq and poses an in-direct threat to the rest of the world via terrorist funding as demonstrated by his support for Hamas terror group (and God knows who else)

He will obtain weapons of mass destruction at some point in the future if we allowed him to continue, and millions of innocents will die when he provides one of these terror networks with these materials, be it in a concealed tin of hair-spray or a dirty bomb.

You lied, that wasnt worth a read, wake up ffs. eek:

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]Sadam poses a direct threat to his neighbours.....[/quote:039f7]

Funny....I don't see many of his neighbours helping the US remove this "direct threat". Excluding the US, who's actually supplied troops again? 45,000 from the UK and 2000 from Australia...!?


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]as demonstrated when he invaded iraq (kuwait)[/quote:039f7]

Do two searches on google using the following keywords;

a) kuwait slant drilling iraqi oil fields
b) april glaspie iraq invade kuwait


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]and poses an in-direct threat to the rest of the world via terrorist funding as demonstrated by his support for Hamas terror group (and God knows who else)[/quote:039f7]

Well, I suppose "terrorist funding" is a subjective term....I'm sure there are millions upon millions of Muslims out there who would class the USA's constant supply of $$$ and military equipment to Israel as "terrorist funding".


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":039f7]He [i]will[/i] obtain weapons of mass destruction at some point in the future if we allowed him to continue,[/quote:039f7]

I thought the US was going to war because [i]he has[/i] weapons of mass destruction? (and oil of course!)

Ahhh yes.....who sold him the WMD's again....?

[url="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-528574,00.html"]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 74,00.html[/url]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, ... 42,00.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/ ... iraq01.htm

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":37f4f]Why are there so many damn rice throwing liberal commies in my country? I didin't realise how many ppl opposed the war until I went to university today and saw them all walk out.

WTF

Get a backbone people![/quote:37f4f]

Exactly what does courage have to do with being pro-war? I'm brave therefore I want people to die. Sure...

Based on your post I presume you don't have children? I am to be a father shortly and it's sad that I'll likely have to bring up my first kid in war-time.

I just hope it's all over before he|she is old enough to understand it all. I hope even more that there will be no reprecussions.

I'm all for stamping out terrorism but what bravery you are displaying by being pro-war, especially as you're only a university student, I don't know (or are you a teacher? Doubtful).

Are you going to fight in Iraq?

I'm not Liberal (I voted for Labour in 1997, although never again - All parties are the same - let 'em do what they want) and I don't imagine I'm a picket fence type (I don't have the time to protest to anything) but I'm never going to be pro-war.

Blair is paid to do his job and it's a bloody hard one. He can never please everyone, but then who could? I don't have anything truly against what he's doing, he's better at his job than I am. After all, he is only doing what every single anti-war person is doing, standing up for what they beleive in. However, I don't have to agree with it.

It's pretty sick to see normal civilians of any country spout crap about how people are weak for not wanting war when they themselves will never have any involvement in the war whatsoever.

If a British Para knocks on my door tomorrow and tells me why I have no backbone I might actually listen to it (although the very people who will do the dirty work are probably a lot more philosophical about the whole thing than the sabre-rattling public who think they're tough and strong willed).

Until then, go back to your studies and be a good lad.

If you got put on the streets of Baghdad with a gun and got told to go kill Iraqis you'd shit your pants.

Backbone my arse.

Oh, and I may be anti-war but I'm not saying the war isn't needed. So don't bother going on about why we're attacking Iraq, how evil Saddam is and all that shit. It gets old.

We're at war, there's no other way around it. It's happening and that's the way it is.

I am not saying people don't have the right to be pro-war I'm just fucking fed up with all this bullshit about pussy this, weak that, French owe this, bollocks that.

Broken fucking record.

The French people don't agree with your beliefs. Nor do the majority of the world. What do you care?

Get over it and stop sulking about it. You got your war, what does it bloody matter?

[quote="I'm HUGE!":0fecb]Funny....I don't see many of his neighbours helping the US remove this "direct threat". Excluding the US, who's actually supplied troops again? 45,000 from the UK and 2000 from Australia...!? [/quote:0fecb]

They are not in the position to, do you really think they want to invite Sadam to launch gas/chemical attacks on their doorstep also?

[quote="I'm HUGE!":0fecb]Well, I suppose "terrorist funding" is a subjective term....I'm sure there are millions upon millions of Muslims out there who would class the USA's constant supply of $$$ and military equipment to Israel as "terrorist funding".[/quote:0fecb]

Your an Idiot for even comparing the two, a country that prevent terrorism and a country that premotes brainwashed individuals to strap kilos of explosive around themselves with the hope of killing as many civilians as possible are a world appart.

[quote="I'm HUGE!":0fecb]I thought the US was going to war because he has weapons of mass destruction? (and oil of course!)[/quote:0fecb]

It is going to war for this reason, or maybe all that passed you by in your ignorance to the real world?

[quote="I'm HUGE!":0fecb]Ahhh yes.....who sold him the WMD's again....?[/quote:0fecb]

Thats like saying if you sell weapons to a country, you expect them never to turn-coat on you or have a change of policy, again ignorance on your part.

You can never determine how a country will react a few years later let alone a decade.

Your whole argument is bullshit anyway because you fail to see/or plain ignore the key danger, which is Sadam.

Do you even know ANYTHING about the state of Iraq? I wonder, I wonder if youv seen how he executes anyone that disagrees with him? Even his own parlament.

This madman already gassed his own people and funds terror groups, if/when he could provide terror networks with these weapons he will, and they will kill alot of innocents.

People like you make me sick `Im HUGE` because you cant see past your own bullshit, you go on repeating the same useless information and conspiracy theories whilst flattely refusing to address the real issue. mad:

Your a bigger fool than you look then, talk about a contradiction hake:

You can hide in your safe nottigham house while the rest of us try and justify why our brave forces are risking their necks for the free world, to keep you safe and warm in your bed at night.

You should be ashamed of yourself, you should be supporting them if thats your real view not sitting on that comfortable fence sniping comments at the rest of us.

You can't read one line and imediately draw conclusions about that person. Please read everything I've said before you do that.

I am anti-war because I don't like war. I'm not just against this particular war.

I am not saying this war isn't needed, but then I am not saying it is, either. That's not my job. I am, as you so eloquently put, sat in my safe Nottingham house (Or, more accurately, Nottingham office building, I'm at work).

I'm joe public. I am not a soldier and I have no aspirations to be one. Nor am I a politician. I did not vote in the last election so I do not have a say in what happens with the current government, either.

If Britain, America, France, Germany, Russia, Australia or any of the other Allied nations were being attacked and there was a mass mobilisation to snuff out the threat then I'd support that with all my heart.

That's not happening. Bush and Blair are pre-emptively attacking, in their eyes, a known threat. I'm not going to contradict that because I am not a politician, I am not into politics and I am not into reading up on all the facts about it.

I have more things in my life to worry about. If you want me to worry about Iraq then you can forget it. But I will be saddened with every death I read or see reported in Iraq, just like I was saddened when I saw 9/11. Just like any normal and reasonable person who has a conscience would do.

I am not contradicting myself at all.

I am stating two facts:

I do not like war.

It is not a sin to be against war.

Anything wrong with that?

You have your views and that's fine, you're entitled to them. You have your own facts (although they are not all the facts, you cannot fool anyone that you know everthing about the situation) and you believe in them.

Although I don't agree with you I do see your side of it. I was moved by 9/11 greatly and was proud when our nation stood behind America and supported them.

For what it's worth I paid money to a fund ran here that went directly to the charity set up to aid the famillies affected by that tradegy.

Small an amount as that was it was all I could do to add my support because I don't like seeing anyone die and I don't like seeing anyone hurt.

No amount of money from me would really help to console those affected by 9/11, though. Nor would it help the thousands that will die in the next few months, either.

See where I'm coming from?

9/11 was something I felt moved to support, however. This war is not.

If you think I'm a bad person for that then there's not much I can do about it.

Thats ok Ydiss you got your opinion like iv got mine, its because we live it a country free from dictatorship that we are allowed to argue and hold protests etc

I just have a real hard time with people who sit on the fence over issues this important, sometimes we have to look a little further than our office wallpaper or garden pond.

We are at war now yes, and all the more reason to give the men and women who are fighting from our countries the full support they deserve.

No-one in their right mind would support bombing of civilians, and im confident that our leaders will do their upmost to prevent this from happening.

Its strange because as soon as one american bomb hits wide of its target theres up-roar yet when these rogue states launch missiles into neighbouring countries, randomly into civilian populated cities like what happened yesterday in Kuwait, noone says a word.

Its even more amusing watching the `human rights` demonstrators here in the UK screaming abuse at the prime minister, and supporting Iraq with one of the worst human rights attrocities in the modern world.

People like this do not have the IQ to realise that as soon as Sadam Hussain is toppled, the people of Iraq will face a promising prosperous future, because dispite his dictatorship keeping all the oil money to himself, Iraq is a very rich country. Its just this maniac in control who is pushing all the funding into warfare instead of health + food programs.

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":830a1]
People like this do not have the IQ to realise that as soon as Sadam Hussain is toppled, the people of Iraq will face a promising prosperous future, because dispite his dictatorship keeping all the oil money to himself, Iraq is a very rich country. Its just this maniac in control who is pushing all the funding into warfare instead of health + food programs.[/quote:830a1]

I truly hope so and as fast as is possible.

If that is the result, then I will be happy, despite any losses along the way. But there is no guarantee of this happening.

There are no guarantees in war.

It's not like I'm completely and deliberately ignorant to this war, it does affect me otherwise I'd not post here about it. I have feelings about it but I'm not educated in the issues at hand enough to feel I can say anything for, or against it.

You do see my point in what we disagree, though. You dislike that some groups of people will sit on the fence but I firmly believe that, not only do they have the right to do that, it is not a bad thing to do.

Everyone has to make decisions in their lives based on what they believe. It doesn't mean it's the right decision.

Put this into the current context and you could say the French are wrong for not supporting the war because Iraq could sell WOMD or they could instigate more future terrorist attacks.

At the same time the French may be right to stay put as this war may result in horrible attrocities and end up with no positive result anyway.

You cannot firmly say that this war will have a happy ending (indeed, it's still relavent that in war no one wins, no matter the result). You can also say that if there is no action taken (whether through the military, or through diplomacy) then the problem is unlikely to go away.

I truly hope it does have a happy ending and it does go away. If it does then I imagine my viewpoint on Blair and Bush will change considerably, but then that's public opinion for you.

Blair still has a shitload of issues to solve in his own country and this war will not help one single bit in acheiving the solving of those issues.

I just hope it's as quick a war as it can be.

I don't have a great deal of conviction in that hope though.

Until that lack of conviction is categorically proven wrong there is no way I'll be convinced to be happy (or supportive) in any way, shape or form that this war is happening.

I'm glad we can agree to disagree biggrin:

[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":7778d]They are not in the position to, do you really think they want to invite Sadam to launch gas/chemical attacks on their doorstep also?[/quote:7778d]

He had Chemical weapons in the 1st Gulf war and lots of Arab countries publicly supported the US led coalition - what's changed? This time around it's different, they're not supporting the action because they, and the majority of the permanent members of the UN, don't think the action the US/UK is taking is justified.


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":7778d]Your an Idiot for even comparing the two, a country that prevent terrorism and a country that premotes brainwashed individuals to strap kilos of explosive around themselves with the hope of killing as many civilians as possible are a world appart.[/quote:7778d]

[b][i]You[/i][/b] might think that Israel is a country that prevents terrorism and that the Palestinians that resort to suicide bombings are "brainwashed" but I'm sure there are many Palestinians and people in other countries around the Middle East that see the bombers as freedom fighters and Israel as terrorists - that's why I used the word "subjective". From your point of view [b][i]your[/i][/b] opinion is correct and theirs is wrong, but [b][i]they[/i][/b] would argue the exact opposite - they are right and [b][i]you[/i][/b] are wrong. No rights, no wrongs, just different opinions.


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":7778d]It is going to war for this reason, or maybe all that passed you by in your ignorance to the real world?[/quote:7778d]

Ummm no, learn to read. In your original reply to me you said "He[b]will[/b] obtain weapons of mass destruction at some point".


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":7778d]Thats like saying if you sell weapons to a country, you expect them never to turn-coat on you or have a change of policy, again ignorance on your part. You can never determine how a country will react a few years later let alone a decade.[/quote:7778d]

Sorry you seem to be forgetting something. Saddam used the chemical weapons against his own people towards the end of the Iran/Iraq war, who was arming/supporting Iraq at the time? Ahh yes the USA. And what did the US do/say when he gassed his own people? Absolutely nothing - that what! No public statements condemning his actions - why? - because he was our little buddy back then. Now were using the gas attack/chemical weapons as a stick to beat him because it suits the US agenda (oil).


[quote="=FM=1st Lt prey":7778d]This madman already gassed his own people[/quote:7778d]

Yeah and the United States wouldn't do anything like that I suppose?

[url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,721898,00.html"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/international ... 98,00.html[/url]
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/ ... 56751.html

Man, you guys win for the longest friggin' posts EVER! Every post is an essay, for chrissakes! heh heh


Zone

lol Zoner

Yeah some really good points put in from all sides on this one, its never gonna be resolved overnight though, just hope it settles down before fucking EA decide to bring out a game on it! biggrin:

Then I will have to strap explosives to my bod and run into their PR office lol