Hello lads.

I am about to upgrade my video card. (pretty much for this game)

I found an ATI RADEON 7200 New. For about $220 and a Geforce3 Ti200 for $390(Thats Australian)

Now which one will serve this game better? My MX400, gives really crappy frame rates when it is "busy", the game that is.

All the new VC's have texture enhancing stuff, but what is the difference between ATI's and Nvidia's? Does anyone know whether the 7200 will be a worthy upgrade with my current specs?

This is how ot stands at the moment.
ATI = Charisma engine.
Nvidia = NfinitFX ot something

Which one? I was leaning toward the ATI due to its DVD playback, although I still need fast ass frame rates.

As for the comparison between RTCW and MOH.....The idea of comparison is as stupid as RTCW itself. IMHO

Thanks in advance

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Yar getting it all wrong.

You don't get the Geforce 3 Ti 500
You get the Geforce 3 Ti 200
The ti 200 is 100-150 bucks less than the Geforce 3 Ti 500
At only 10-15% less performance
Only get the 500 if you want the of the best
so if you're rich

No i know that.
I am not even looking at the Ti500.

I need to know whether to get the ATI 7200, or a Geforce3 Ti 200. Which one will serve the game better?
I like to watch DVD's from the PC as well. That is the only reason i thought about getting the RADEON. But i want fast frame rates too. So i was thinking GF3

Get the Geforce 3 Ti 200.
Also, you said the Radeon 7200?
The only card that can compete with geforce 3 ti 200's and 500's is the Radeon 8500 [very new, pretty expensive].

I would still go with nvidia. They work great with Quake III powered games especially.

Thanks Manny.

What about DVD playback? I use PowerDVD XP, and just recently found a copy of WINDVD in a drawer. WINDVD seems to be better picture (Girlfriend reckons) although lacks the functions of PDVD.

Will the Geforce 3 improve DVD playback?

I'm not sure.

You want to go here: http://forums.anandtech.com/categori...=31&zb=9118886
There'll you'll find people that know evereything.

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I have the 8500 which works great but then again i do have a AMD powering it! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

Go for a Radeon 8500. Best bang for the buck at the moment.

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Go the nvidia route, I'm hoping ATI drops the prices on the 8500, till then I doubt anyone should opt for the ATI, can't lose with nvidia! Geforce 3 TI200=best bang for your buck, oh and overclock it a bit!

I surely would bye the Radeon card (especially the 8500) Its a cool card. I too have F.... mx 400 (DAMN! the worst deal I've ever made!!!)

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go ATI, it's a canadian company, so support it http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

Im looking me too on this. My choice is GeForce 3 Ti-200 cause ive learned a lot of thing and read lot of news about the radeon vs the ti-200 and and just take a lok at the prices. Ive been at Future Shop, they sell the Radeon for $450 ( Canadian ) and the ti-200 i got, i paied $333 ( Canadian ). And they have the same performance.
The Radeon is better in Direct 3D but the GeForce is better in Open GL and the GeForce is pretty stable compared to the ATI

So my choice : GEFORCE RULEZ

Hope i helped u

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I think the GeForce 3 ti200.

Here are a couple of screens I did with it set with all details on max, 1280x1024 and Quincunx AA (still get smooth framerates-normally how I play it)...be the judge for yourself...

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3


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dude go with ati, look at all the new features, true form, smartshader, go to there site and check it out.. it's worth every penny http://www.ati.com/na/pages/resource...rel/demos.html

radeon 8500 is unstoppable but a overclocked 7500 wouldnt be bad either since i think the memory in the 7500 actually outperforms the memory in the 8500 i read that somewhere i forget though but 7500 for 220 dollars is a rip off i dont know what the australian - american dollars exchange rate is but you shouldnt be paying more than 170 american dollars for the 7500 you could easily find it for 150 probably...thats retail too not oem. oem 100 dollars but then you couldnt hope to match the 8500 performance.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Athlon7:
Go the nvidia route, I'm hoping ATI drops the prices on the 8500, till then I doubt anyone should opt for the ATI, can't lose with nvidia! Geforce 3 TI200=best bang for your buck, oh and overclock it a bit!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


negative gf3 ti 200 goes for about 150 oem radeon 7500 goes for about 90 - 100 bucks oem and the 7500 has comparable, if not better in some areas, performance than the ti200

ATI is smoking nvidia right now and will continue to do so until geforce4...that is if anyones mobo's will support gf4 lol.

if games were coded with ati boards in mind then nvidia wouldnt stand a chance but since most games are designed with geforce technology in mind they have a slight edge with in game performance. but technology wise radeon 8500 is on top theoretical benchmarks put geforce to shame.

Most of ATI's features are usless.

btw, they cheated themself on top of the benchmarks.

They released 'slightly modified' drivers for all Quake III benchmarks (read: fps tests) made by magazines and websites. Radeon 8500 scored slightly faster than the Geforce 3 cards. That's because with the modified drivers used by ATI it dramaticly decreased image quality to get the extra fps boost. That's the only reason they scored faster than the Geforce 3.

Also, Doom 3 is one of the many next generation games that will be on top of Geforce 3 and nothing else.

And your pointing to ATI's website? Huh?

Radeon 8500 has horrible drivers as well. And a Geforce 2 Ti is better than the Radeon 7500. To quote William O'Neal from Computer Gaming world Magazine:

"The only reason we'd recommend buying the Radeon 7500 over the Geforce 2 Ti is to help the Canadian economy. Then again, who really cares about the canadian economy anyway, eh?"

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thompson:
AGREED MANNY
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Good http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAH

Most of ati's features are useless?? LMAO What have nvidia come up with thats so innovative? Fsaa oh thats right they copied 3dfx on that one.

Nivida's only innovation to date has been hardware t&l and that going on 3 years old now as it was in the original geforce 256.

Plus it is a useless feature. 3dfx were right when they released the vodoo 5, hardware t&l was pointless because cpu's were becoming so fast it negated the need for it. But all the drones who seen 3d mark the nvidia benchmark went out and bought nvidia cards even though there was nothing really innovative about them at all.

Anyone else think its funny since the death of 3dfx nvidia have had no new innovations? Nvidia stole and infringed on 3dfx patents left right and centre then bought them out because the court case was flying in 3dfx's favour.


The only real innovater is ati with their truform which gives a more realistic image which is the whole goal of 3d graphics. gaming isn't about retarded framerates with sub par graphics so you can boast "i run quake 3 at .35fps faster than you".

Nvidia always go for speed while letting the visuals suffer whereas ati and 3dfx in their last few years where concentrating on more realistic graphics.

People are soon gonna wake up and realise that optomisations are made in the graphics of games for a better frame rate. 60fps is more than playable who needs 130 fps? Anything over 60 is just for bragging rights.

Personally id take a game with outstanding graphics running at 60fps than a game running with sub-par graphics running at 150 fps anyday of the week.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Manny:
Most of ATI's features are usless.

btw, they cheated themself on top of the benchmarks.

They released 'slightly modified' drivers for all Quake III benchmarks (read: fps tests) made by magazines and websites. Radeon 8500 scored slightly faster than the Geforce 3 cards. That's because with the modified drivers used by ATI it dramaticly decreased image quality to get the extra fps boost. That's the only reason they scored faster than the Geforce 3.

Also, Doom 3 is one of the many next generation games that will be on top of Geforce 3 and nothing else.

And your pointing to ATI's website? Huh?

Radeon 8500 has horrible drivers as well. And a Geforce 2 Ti is better than the Radeon 7500. To quote William O'Neal from Computer Gaming world Magazine:

"The only reason we'd recommend buying the Radeon 7500 over the Geforce 2 Ti is to help the Canadian economy. Then again, who really cares about the canadian economy anyway, eh?"

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[This message has been edited by Gerard (edited January 09, 2002).]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerard:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAH

Most of ati's features are useless?? LMAO What have nvidia come up with thats so innovative? Fsaa oh thats right they copied 3dfx on that one.

Nivida's only innovation to date has been hardware t&l and that going on 3 years old now as it was in the original geforce 256.

Plus it is a useless feature. 3dfx were right when they released the vodoo 5, hardware t&l was pointless because cpu's were becoming so fast it negated the need for it. But all the drones who seen 3d mark the nvidia benchmark went out and bought nvidia cards even though there was nothing really innovative about them at all.

Anyone else think its funny since the death of 3dfx nvidia have had no new innovations? Nvidia stole and infringed on 3dfx patents left right and centre then bought them out because the court case was flying in 3dfx's favour. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Geforce 3 cards lack uslfull features, so does ATI. The power behind Geforce cards has always been their speed.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerard:
The only real innovater is ati with their truform which gives a more realistic image which is the whole goal of 3d graphics. gaming isn't about retarded framerates with sub par graphics so you can boast "i run quake 3 at .35fps faster than you".
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Speed automatically means better graphics. Even with 1.4 ghz, you need a very good card to run Wolfenstein in 1600*1200 (which, btw, looks amazing). Most people don't have more than 1.2 ghz and thus for, for them at least, more speed means cranking up the details or resolution, which means better image quality. Not even 1/3 of the people who play are able to go higher than 800*600. Also, playing in 1024*768 instead of 800*600 makes a bigger difference than a usless feature that increases image quality by 10%.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gerard:
Nvidia always go for speed while letting the visuals suffer whereas ati and 3dfx in their last few years where concentrating on more realistic graphics.

People are soon gonna wake up and realise that optomisations are made in the graphics of games for a better frame rate. 60fps is more than playable who needs 130 fps? Anything over 60 is just for bragging rights.

Personally id take a game with outstanding graphics running at 60fps than a game running with sub-par graphics running at 150 fps anyday of the week.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Difference Ati cards deliver (if any compared to Geforce 3) is minimal. So minimal that you might not even see it. Also, please run Return to Castle Wolfenstein in 1600*1200 maxed resolution with 150 fps. Good luck.

Radeon 8500 and Geforce 3 Ti 200 are so close onto each other that it's not even worth argueing.


[This message has been edited by Manny (edited January 09, 2002).]

go for a 8500, I purchased mine for $200 retail, you can find it cheap if you keep looking. The card is outstanding, and dont listen to what everyone says about drivers and problems, people dont realize that you need to take out all detonator drivers before installing the ATI product..... if you want more opinions....go here..more discussions
http://gamershq.madonion.com/

I would go Geforce based cards all the way.

Nvidia is always been great with the driver support. And I think its the most crucial part for me.

Drivers are what makes the computer and games run. And Nvidia doesnt disapoint in their driver support. Almost every month they come out with new version and I think its very important becuase every day there is a new game or new hardware that is out and you want to make sure it works with what you have.
ATI rarely comes out with new drivers.
Something to think about.

My cards were: First Monster voodoo card and then TNT, Geforce 256 and now Geforce 3. Nvidia has good products on their hands and I support them.

Thats my 2cents

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Geforce 3 cards lack uslfull features, so does ATI. The power behind Geforce cards has always been their speed.

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Truform is a useful feature. If used properly for the first time in game we will see proper curves on characters instead of the usual polgonal edges we are accustomed to.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Speed automatically means better graphics. Even with 1.4 ghz, you need a very good card to run Wolfenstein in 1600*1200 (which, btw, looks amazing). Most people don't have more than 1.2 ghz and thus for, for them at least, more speed means cranking up the details or resolution, which means better image quality. Not even 1/3 of the people who play are able to go higher than 800*600. Also, playing in 1024*768 instead of 800*600 makes a bigger difference than a usless feature that increases image quality by 10%.

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Wrong, its a proven fact that if you play a game at 8000x600 on a voodoo 5 with 4xfsaa adn full lod bias you easily get 1600x1200 image quality and then some. As i stated before trform is not a useless feature and nvidia bullshit propoganda is not something i bother listening to.

What did nvidia say about fsaa when 3dfx was introducing it? "its a useless feature higher resoloutions are better". Yet they still felt it necessary to produce a hack in their drivers enabling their version of fsaa. Enter the geforce 3 advertising quincunx fsaa and enhanced 4xfsaa.

Funny enough for something they consider useless they spent enough time hyping it and making it a key feature in their new cards.

Ati has fsaa and truform. Truform like fsa has to be seen in person to be appreciated. It smothes out the edges giving characters a more realistic appearence.

And speed does not automatically mean better graphics. Nvidia always go for more fps no matter what the cost. If it compromises graphics they dont care cause it'll show up better in benchmarks even though its a sub-par image. If nvidia concentrated their efforts on improving graphics quality and not sacraficing everything for a .35fps frame rate increase i might have some respect for them.

I have owned voodoo 2's voodooo 3's voodoo 5's a geforce 256ddr, a geforce 2 gts and today a radeon 8500. Of the lot in terms of image quality with fsaa the voodoo 5 just edges out the 8500. In terms of 2d image quality the radeon is high and dry untouched by the rest. In terms of speed with good image quality the radeon is the winner.

As for saying the 8500 compares with the ti200, wise up. The 8500 easily competes with the ti500.


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[This message has been edited by Gerard (edited January 10, 2002).]