What do you guys think....
 

About death....now please, be serious....for the past year and a half or so...I havnt been able to really sleep at all because ive been thinking about what happens when we die....

A while back, one of my friends Kyle died....by falling off of a waterfall in a local town...it was extremely sad, and still saddens me to this day....but I was just talking to my friend, and she was a really really close friend of his...she said she went to the falls where he died...by herself and was talking to him.....like just saying stuff to him, and she could feel some sort of 'presence'...and then she looked over and saw him, just like he looked in real life...looking over the falls...but she was to scared to walk over to him....then as she left, she could feel him with her....now, for some of you....you may not believe that, but i doubt she would make something up like that....and she wouldnt halloucinate it either...

She then went on to tell me that an indian seeker...told her she is very open minded and has a sort of 'psychic' trait to her.....i asked her about this john edwards guy...and if talking to spirits could actually work...and she said without a doubt, this can be done....now...all this may seem weird, but i totally believe her....what do you guys think about death and what happens.....and please....be serious

I highly doubt that you can talk to spirits but I think you have that feeling when someone very close you dies you can feel something is wrong.

I think your spirit stay on earth forever as long as somone remembers you. If your forget your soul will just disappear and you'll be gone forever. You won't be able to see other spirits, only what was important to you when you were alive. There is no heaven or hell.

Guarnere, all can be said in one simple sentence: there IS or ISN'T another
form of life following physical death.

When you die, one of two things will happen...

- NOTHING: You will be in a state of sleep, undisturbed by dreams.

- SOMETHING: You will experience a new state of consciousness.

You shouldn't fear death.

Death isn't something to be feared.

People always say what if you die? You'll never get to do all those things you wanted to do. Yeah but if I die, I won't know I wont get to experience those things.

I also do not believe in spirits, even though there is some really unexplained stuff that puzzles me and makes me question my own beliefs, its really all in the eye of the beholder.

I think death is an exciting and uncharted territory for the human mind. none of us know what happens after we die...I would like to believe that our "spirit" is transferred after we die, but that just doesn't go along with science. the thing that really sucks is you won't come back to life EVER again. bummer deal!

When a person dies, they go one or two places,Heaven or Hell. There is a way though to be svaed from spending eternity in hell, and that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. If you choose not to accept Him, you will die and go to hell, but by asking Jesus into your heart you will be saved and spend eternity in Heaven, why fear death when you know you will be in a better place? You can be saved by COnfessing with your mouth Jesus is Lord and Beliving your heart God rose Him from the dead.

http://jesusgift.com/

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":8aa0e]When a person dies, they go one or two places,Heaven or Hell. There is a way though to be svaed from spending eternity in hell, and that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. If you choose not to accept Him, you will die and go to hell, but by asking Jesus into your heart you will be saved and spend eternity in Heaven, why fear death when you know you will be in a better place? You can be saved by COnfessing with your mouth Jesus is Lord and Beliving your heart God rose Him from the dead.

[url="http://jesusgift.com/"]http://jesusgift.com/[/url][/quote:8aa0e]

ok thats just weird, man if you wanna teach us then just Shut the Fuck up.

I don't care much about death, it dosen't bother me. We all go sooner or later. I'm going to Iraq sometime later this year, whos to say that I won't die in combat, you know? There's no control over it, and that's just it.

If I die, I die, it dosen't faze me as much as it should, I guess.

Death dont matter to me if i die i die o fucking well. When it happens who cares we just go onto a better place.

Death itself I do not fear. I'm just hoping the process of dying will not be too painful. Thinking about it doesn't change the fact that we are mortal. So why bother worrying...

We don't know for sure what happens. Religion can help, if that is what you like. Just try to live a good life.

What is 'good'? Try to figure it out.



I wrote a rather large philosophical story here, but I decided not to post that because I couldn't end it. I was going on and on and on. Because that is what philosophy is about. Why...why...why....it just never stops...

Live your life damnit! (and, of course, die...)

I know what that's like. One of my old freinds just died a few weeks ago. She was ina car crash. She flew out of the window and then the car rolled over her. Death is something you can't stop thinking about, but it's something you shouldn't think about. If people spend most of their lifes thinking about death, then they never enjoy life. I personally belief I'm going to heaven because I believe in God and Jesus. At first I was scared shitless about death, and how fast it can take us. But now, it's more of a "Just fuck death and start living"

To those who are religious: Do you HONESTLY believe the bullshit they force you to believe? Or its because you were raised that way, and you've grown to accept the lies?

I'm not trying to offend anyone or start any flame wars. Its an honest question.

I believe in ghosts and all that stuff, and I believe that when you die you go to either Purgatory then Heaven, or straight to hell

[quote="Gothic_child180":83f23]To those who are religious: Do you HONESTLY believe the bullshit they force you to believe? Or its because you were raised that way, and you've grown to accept the lies?

I'm not trying to offend anyone or start any flame wars. Its an honest question.[/quote:83f23]
Well, i'm basically a "hard-core" Roman Catholic. Both my parents are roman catholic too. For your question, i believe that i wouldn't have been religious if they weren't. THAT doesn't mean that I don't believe in Catholisism...cause i do. I don't believe they are lies. I think there were definately lies to some degree, but I do believe in the present-day mass of Catholics.

I have never been forced to be a Catholic. In college, i will go to church every sunday and on Holy Days of Obligation. I do get "something" out of church and praying...i can't really put it in words. Don't get me wrong by the previous statement. I'm not one of those people that you see on the commercials for "SONGS FOR WORSHIP SOUNDTRACK". THOSE people are aaaa.....um.......aaa......... oOo: . I think that God does have forgiveness.

After you die, there is judgement. If you have been a ''respectable'' person or sorry for your crimes, then you will get into heaven. You might be thinking, "What happens to the aborted babies or people of other religious i.e. Islam?" Well, i think in those cases, you will be judged on how you lived your life. Many religions are based on being KIND to others and living in PEACE. If you attempted/accomplished that, then you're in good hands. For the aborted babies, I believe they go to "limbo". That's a place for all the people that didn't have a chance to get baptised.


Here's an interesting question. "These 'ghosts' can be described as around us. Do you believe that heaven may be here on Earth but 'in a different dimension'? Are these lost souls that are 'paying time for their sins'?"

[quote="Duke_of_Ray":a7d7b]What duke of ray said[/quote:a7d7b]

That's exactly why I don't believe in religion, I don't want my beliefs dictated to me and if i don't believe the same I don't want to be told that I am a pagean and am going to hell. The Roman catholic church has proved to be liars in the past and thats just something I don't want to be a part of. And I don't want bible thumpers coming to my house to "save me" from eternal damnation. When god talks to me I'll believe in religion until then its just eternal nothingness with the ocasional pnaenomina that scares the crap out of me*

*See gerard's story

I never understood how supposedly intelligent people could believe in such
an obvious lie as "Heaven and Hell": I find it unfathomable that a supreme
being capable of creating and encompassing physical reality would "reward"
some of his creatures for "good behavior" (what is that?) and banish others
to an eternity of suffering based on actions commited on Earth; keep in mind
that for a big period of your life, you are "taught" how to act, react, et cetera...

I could have a field day with this one, but suffice to say that on top of having
been written by men seeking to enthrall the populace of the time, heaven and
hell were created to keep people in line; controlled. So were the ten "rules":
only one is necessary and it is the golden rule: do unto others what you would
like done unto you, and conversely, do not do to others what you wouldn't want
done to yourself. Simple rule, happens to work in most cases.

If a supraintelligent entity is behind the creation of our world, you can bet
that reincarnation is involved, development of intellect is prime and finally,
Heaven and Hell would not be found on other planes of consciousness: you
are living in both right now. Earth can be both...

[quote:aeff7]ok thats just weird, man if you wanna teach us then just Shut the Fuck up.[/quote:aeff7]
Why, I am just trying to help you out by pointing the way.



[quote:aeff7]I never understood how supposedly intelligent people could believe in such
an obvious lie as "Heaven and Hell": I find it unfathomable that a supreme
being capable of creating and encompassing physical reality would "reward"
some of his creatures for "good behavior" (what is that?) and banish others
to an eternity of suffering based on actions commited on Earth; keep in mind
that for a big period of your life, you are "taught" how to act, react, et cetera...
[/quote:aeff7]

The only act that determines where you go is whether or not you accpet Jesus, if you accept Him, your actions will be good.

[quote:aeff7]That's exactly why I don't believe in religion, I don't want my beliefs dictated to me and if i don't believe the same I don't want to be told that I am a pagean and am going to hell. The Roman catholic church has proved to be liars in the past and thats just something I don't want to be a part of. And I don't want bible thumpers coming to my house to "save me" from eternal damnation. When god talks to me I'll believe in religion until then its just eternal nothingness with the ocasional pnaenomina that scares the crap out of me*
[/quote:aeff7]

Well, as long as you believe in Jesus, and accept Him you will be fine. You might say, your shoving your belief down my throat, but I am not, I am trying to hel you out. You may not believe exactly how the Chrucrh you go to does, thats no big deal, the main thing is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes the ROman Catholic Chruch has done many bad things, but if you really want to see the true face of God, read the Bible and go to a good Christian chruch, not saying catholics are not Christians, but I would say its best to go to a Chruch that is not as big on traditons and works, but one that teaches the Bible and does work out of the good of their heart, not so they will get you to heaven. Works will not get you to heaven, only accepting Jesus. It does not matter whether or not you get baptized, although its good to, and as for the people of the other religions, well if they have rejected Jesus, then the will be going to hell, but for those who have never heard, then I believe God judges them justly.If you ever have any questions just PM me, and Ill do my best to awnser.

No thank you, Duke_of_Ray: I prefer staying away from indoctrination, as I
am sure you can understand...

omg duke of ray you have helped me see the light thanks email me

OneofGodsFallowers@hotmail.com


oOo:

when you die, you return to the most pure state of energy. I dont know what it is lol. Just remember no energy is gained or lost in the universe, it is simple collect then dispersed. The same goes for people. We are born, live, then die. After death.....no one knows. I believe......you just die.

I am not saying you have to live your life a certain way to be saved, but if you truly are, you will live a respectful life. See its not aboute pricipals or rules, so do not use those as an excuse, its about giving your life to God and beliving in Him. You might say you do not want to do that, but why? With God leading your life, and if you let His will be done, whats best will always happen. Now you will still have problems, and trails, but you will have God to help you. Is it really that much to ask of Him, I mean he died for us! WHy reject Him? Rejecting Him, is like being in a flood, about to drown, and when a boat comes by to save you you telling them you do not need any help, you can save yourself. When you doo try to save yourself, you drown, to bad you didnt ask for help. We are all sinners, but through Jesus we are redeemed, so aks Him for help, and to save you so that you will not drown, and go to Hell.

[quote="[DAS REICH]Unknown_Sniper":e6487]when you die, you return to the most pure state of energy. I dont know what it is lol. Just remember no energy is gained or lost in the universe, it is simple collect then dispersed. The same goes for people. We are born, live, then die. After death.....no one knows. I believe......you just die.[/quote:e6487]

every one of us is made up of the 92 natural elements, the same elements that are the makeup of our sun. when we die, all of our elements are returned to the earth or space (heat)

Here is my outlook on religion:

I've been brought up on it and I have nothing but positive feedback from it.

It's like this... if you believe in a religion and there is a god, then you are going to Heaven. If there ISNT a god, then you're still ok. However, if you don't believe then you go to hell.

So basically, it's a win - win situation... angel:

religion is a drug fed to the masses

No offense Zap, but I don't see a reason to spend time going to a place to worship someone that may or may not exist. Althought it is wierd that religion was found most of the continents despite man despersing much earlier. I would like to believe in a god but there just isn't much proof

Hahaha. Mike there is tons of proof. Well, for Christianity that is.

um, actually there is no proof whatsoever of a higher being

Zap is referring to Pascal's wager, which states that you have nothing to lose
and should therefore take a chance and believe in God. The outcomes are as
follows:

If there is a God and you believe in his person, you will go to Heaven while
others who chose to refuse to acknowledge his existence will forever be in
Hell. On the other hand, if there isn't a God, no matter what your position,
you still lose nothing by believing in him. It is therefore safer to "believe" in
God ... but this is all according to the Christian belief system.

[quote="Old Reliable":1e46b]um, actually there is no proof whatsoever of a higher being[/quote:1e46b]
Ooooookay, sure.

there isnt. how do we know that there is one. If there is a chance that there igs a god, then theres a chance that the earth is how it is b/c of coincidenses and evolution

put it on the table then and prove me wrong!

its not how you died, its how you lived your lived that counts.

I think I'm living my lived pretty good.

The whole basis for religion is FAITH.

Therefore, there is no proof, you only need faith.

I don't think we can just throw religion away. It is as much of a tradition as anything else. Religion has been a part of our race for a couple million years.

Take this hyphetical statement for example:

If there is a God, from what we have learned as humans, would he give us proof he exists, or tell us that he is there? Of course not. The whole point is to haev faith, thus by believeng in him with no proof, it is easier to live in eternal happiness and such.

if there was proof that God existed, then everyone would beliee and everyone would reap the benifits. By having no proof, only the true believers are benifites.

Now whether you believe or not is totally up to you.

[quote="Old Reliable":ce14e]put it on the table then and prove me wrong![/quote:ce14e]

You gentlemen are trying to find answers to a problem that has plagued
philosophers and men of the mind for millenia: quit while you still can ;-)
One thing is certain: the answer will be presented to you following death.

But how do you know that! shit i just blew my own damn mind...

A truly intelligent creator would give his children the freedom of choice to
believe in his person, on top of letting them choose how to live their lives:
this is why reincarnation is highly likely, as life experiences are presented
to us and sometimes we miss the boat. Sooner or later, every soul could
find it's way to the source, where true companionship with the one energy
is only possible if the soul/intellect is ready. What would be the point of
creating a world where your creations have no choice in the matter ? This
is where Christianity went wrong...

[quote="Blitz v1.2":f7fcf]
But how do you know that! shit i just blew my own damn mind...[/quote:f7fcf]

Check one of my first posts in this topic... ;-)

We have to remember that religions were really created and maintained by us.

Christianity and the Roman Catholic religion ahev gone through some very tough times. From the selling of indulgences to crusades in the name of God, its humans that are ultimatley at fault.