My "Matrix: Reloaded" review (MAJOR SPOILERS)
 

Story:

Zion is about to be attacked, all ships are ordered to stand ready to fight...
except the NEB - Commandeered by Morpheus - which stays in broadcast
range of the Matrix. Neo consults the Oracle, who is really another program
from the Matrix, working for itself or on orders from someone or something.
In order to stop the attack on Zion, they must destroy the Matrix, and to do
so, find the Keymaker. In order to access the source, they must shut down
the power to a huge block and to do so, require the help of the Icarus and
another ship, the Hammer. After some action, Neo meets the godlike
Architect, who is the creator of the Matrix. He must choose to save Trinity or
destroy the Matrix. Saving Trinity, they exit the Matrix and leave the ship,
which is about to get blown to bits. Sentinels find the crew and Neo creates
an EMP blast, halting the attack, rendering himself unconscious.

Thoughts:

Okay, they're in another Matrix. I don't know how else Neo would have done
that EMP blast in the "real" world: thus, we are treated to THE THIRTEENTH
FLOOR all over again. If you haven't already, see that movie and you will
understand what I mean. The godlike Architect stole the show: whether he
is human or machine is still debatable, however I gravitate towards human:
after all, wouldn't that be the ultimate form of power and of controlling said
Cause and Effect ? We'll find out on November 5th...

dude....
 

why did you have to put this crap?????

and where did you get the information man....
i`m going to sew that website.lol jk... swordfight:

Aka_Eshelmen

You better use crochet them too!

haha....
 

hahaha.....anything else you can spoil us with solidus?

Re: dude....
 

I saw the 11PM screening tonight and it was rad biggrin:

Surely there are more than enough Matrix threads, whilst this nonsense goes on,
valid topics such as Star Wars, Metallica, Sclass, guitars etc. are being sadly neglected. hake:

My god... he's right!

*falls to his knees*

What have I done... WHAT HAVE I DONE!?!!

hmmm....
 

true dat true dat you should be ashamed solidus hake:

Ok I saw it last night too. The story has gotten pretty complex. The architect I think was just another program, I don't think he's human. Also whats up with Agent Smith? Why the hell is he spawning himself over and over. And whats the deal with the guy that was found unconscous in the end, is that Agent Smith disguised as the other guy from the Matrix? Anyways the movie was better than I thought it was gonna be, but I think I need to see it again. You really need to pay attention when the Architech does his dialogue. Cant wait till the third part comes out, November?

Re: My "Matrix: Reloaded" review (MAJOR SPOILERS)
 

I think it was another ship told to stay in broadcast range for a signal from the oracle was it not? Cause remember morpheus got in shit by that other black guy for disobeying a direct order. When the Oracle contacted that ship, then the NEB and those two other ships went up.

[quote:ea4de]
Neo consults the Oracle, who is really another program
from the Matrix, working for itself or on orders from someone or something.
In order to stop the attack on Zion, they must destroy the Matrix, and to do
so, find the Keymaker. In order to access the source, they must shut down
the power to a huge block and to do so, require the help of the Icarus and
another ship, the Hammer. [/quote:ea4de]

[quote:ea4de]After some action, Neo meets the godlike
Architect, who is the creator of the Matrix. He must choose to save Trinity or
destroy the Matrix. Saving Trinity, they exit the Matrix and leave the ship,
which is about to get blown to bits. Sentinels find the crew and Neo creates
an EMP blast, halting the attack, rendering himself unconscious.
[/quote:ea4de]The archiect tells neo he has two choices after they went through this whole thing about how there are no choices and it is inevitable neo will save them and such, right? The architect says the door to the right leads to the source, which the keymaker got them to after a lot of cool fighting, which will restart the matrix and neo wil chose 7 men and 8 women to repopulate the matrix because everything will be destroyed. they are currently on Matrix V6.0, and the door to the left saves trininy who went into the matrix after neo told her not to. but she had to otherwise they wouldn't ahev gotten to the architect because the power had to be off because of all the security systems and the sentinals attacked a ship where the guys who were responsible for turning off the power and therefore died and couldn't finish their mission.

So Neo had to choose between restarting the matrix at the source, which is the door to his right, or saving trininy who is falling out of a window after being shot, to his left. he choses trininy and saves her while the machines bored to the city and destroyed everything.

There was only 1 survivor they could find and it was a bad guy. can't remember what he did exactly, but we don't know the consequences of his actions as the movie leaves us with neo and him hooked up to life support. So we'll ahev to find out what this bad dudes story is all about.

Neo did use his "powers" to stop the sentinels in the "real world" and i haden't thought that much about it. Thats strange. Maybe he can be the one everywhere, or maybe their inside another matrix, who knows.

[quote:ea4de]Thoughts:
The godlike Architect stole the show: whether he
is human or machine is still debatable, however I gravitate towards human:
after all, wouldn't that be the ultimate form of power and of controlling said
Cause and Effect ? We'll find out on November 5th...[/quote:ea4de]

Yeah he said a LOT of stuff. I would think hes human as well. Hes basically the creator of the matrix, like a god to us. So hes like a God to the programs.

[quote:ea4de]Ok I saw it last night too. The story has gotten pretty complex. The architect I think was just another program, I don't think he's human. Also whats up with Agent Smith? Why the hell is he spawning himself over and over. And whats the deal with the guy that was found unconscous in the end, is that Agent Smith disguised as the other guy from the Matrix? Anyways the movie was better than I thought it was gonna be, but I think I need to see it again. You really need to pay attention when the Architech does his dialogue. Cant wait till the third part comes out, November? [/quote:ea4de]

Agent smith was able to spawn because he was unplugged from the matrix by neo.

Remember in the first one where neo got shot and then he got up and ran into smith and he exploded? Well they don't really explain it very well, but they say smith was unlugged and able to clone himself by stcking his hand into people and they would come out him. Remember he donsn't need his earpiece anymore and gives that to neo.

What i don't understand is why hes still fighting? He wanted to get out as he said in teh first one and basically isn't he as out as you can get? hes not under orders by the matrix or any other program any more. The whole smith thing is a little confusing.

Oh yeah!! Thank you you just jolted my memory. te guy with the beard and who was the only survivor of the attack on Zion was a human unplugged from teh matrix who was part of some ship and they were in the matrix. His buddy went to the phone and got put back into the real world anh he hung up and waited for the phone to ring. Then smith showed up and stuck his hand in him and turned him into a smith that was not a program and therefore could go back through the phone and into the real world ala Zion. Thats probably why he survived the attack because he had smiths powers and such.

So that deal above where i said this dude was bad...this is what really happened. hes agent smith clone inside one o the few remaining human ships. I would think theres only one since the NEB got blown up, the sentinels blew one up while those guys were trying to shut the power off, the only one left would be jada pinkets ship, which all the remaining people are on. Just jadas crew, morpheus and his crew and that agen smith disguised as some other ships crew member.

Ya, I wanna know whats up with Agent Smith. Obviously theres gonna be a big battle between Smith and Neo, but whats Smith's deal? Is it like the Oracle said "What do all men with power want....More power". Ok so my question is if the sentinels came and destroyed Zion, does the Matrix still exist or is it seperate from Zion? I know the Matrix is just a big computer program, but where the hell is the maching that runs it? God this movie is fucking confusing.

I think Im gonna buy the first Matrix on DVD and then go and see the movie again.

Hehe

I have the first matrix, but it doesn't give much insight to the problems presented by reloaded.

As for where the matrix is located...it wouldn;t be zion...because the city is controlled by humans. And the machines run the matrix, right? It was created by the architect which is a human i think anyway, like they said in the first one the matrix was created to be like a paradise with no crime and such, but they couldn't put it into code. then the machines rose up with AI and took over the matrix and put the humans in it.

Since in the first one we see the fields of humans being grown and harvesed its safe to say that physically the plugged in humans are in the machines control, and therefore its probably safe to assume the matrix is also under machine control. If zion is destroyed it has nothing to do with the matrix. all the people who live in the mstrix nd are plugged in woudln't be affected...but now there would be no resistance for the machines. they would control all of the real world and could do whatever they want with it. the hmans would all be plugged in and would provide energy for the machines. so the machines need us to live...but if they destroy zion there will be no rebellion for them to deal with.

Anyway, you guys can confirm that zion was destroyed right? when neo chose to save trininy the machines bored to the city and destroyed it right? so now onnly a few unplugged people are left. neo and the gang and will smiths wife and the agent smith. so they'll have to fight the machines and beat them in the next movie and then either destroy the matrix, or get as many people out as possible and then destroy it and start over in the ral world is my guess.

[quote:cc094]What i don't understand is why hes still fighting? He wanted to get out as he said in teh first one and basically isn't he as out as you can get? hes not under orders by the matrix or any other program any more. The whole smith thing is a little confusing. [/quote:cc094]

He lost his sense of purpose and that pisses him off. He is forced into exile
as deletion is NOT an option: therefore he will be a virus for the remainder of
that iteration of the Matrix.

Ahh...makes sense. Thanks.

I am now convinced that I was right all along: there is a Matrix within a
Matrix. What a perfect line of defense against the pesky oddities of the
Matrix...

Think about the 6th iteration, Zion destroyed, it all comes together neatly:
anyone want to place bets ? biggrin:

so Agent Smith didnt die in the first one? Cuz i kept seeing him in the commercials, and wondereed wtf was going on

So if I understand you, i'm assuming that the machines don't know there is another matrix, which is the "real world" and they believe they have gotten to zion.

If that is true, then what happened to all the people inside of the "real world" matrix? They would have been destroyed along with the city.

Now Neo and the gang can be zapped back into the actual real world, where the city of zion is safe.

But for this to be true, wouldn't humans have to control the matrix? The machines would have to believe their in the real world, but infact they are really in another matrix. oOo:

The Matrix you know as the Matrix is simply there to make oddities think
that once they "unplug", they're safe in their real world. The 'real world' is
the real Matrix, unless we're riding on the back of a Turtle which rides on
another ad infinitum. No matter how you look at it, the godlike Architect is
in control ;-)

The machines of the real world are just more programs. I'm not quite sure
what you're having trouble with ?

I understand what your saying. but everyone in Zion that was destroyed would then have to be a program, not someone attached to the matrix.

[quote:d4211]I understand what your saying. but everyone in Zion that was destroyed would then have to be a program, not someone attached to the matrix. [/quote:d4211]

Maybe they only "die" in that Matrix and "real world". I wouldn't be surprised
if the comatose body lived on anyway. Seem' sayin' ?

I guess we'll have to wait 'till november to really figure out what the hell the Wachowski brothers had in mind.

... if anything! biggrin:

hmmmmm.........i guess you haven't watched the animatrix.

a lot of things are explained there......for example;
how the war between humans and machines started and how the matrix was "created". The Machines captured humans and started searching for a way to be able to controll humans through their (hehe...our) simple brains. A lot of experiments were done on humans till they found all the right nerve impulses etc.
Or i like the "Last Transmission Of The Osiris" (i think it's called that) shows how the humans found out about the attack on Zion and in Enter The Matrix we can see that Ghost and Naiobi are the ones to retrieve the information about the attack.

you're 13th floor theory might be correct, i too got a bit suspicous when Neo started to charge up with an EMP and then fierd it at the sentinels.

There are a couple of things i think you have missed tho.......The architect said that there were 5 Matrix programs before the current one, but the war against the machines has been fought for over 100 years, which would make it a 600 year war considering that each program lasted for 100 years.

damn......this story is just getting better and better by the minute.

*SPOILER ALERT*

Just for those who didn't read the thread title ;)


This is one thing I love about The Matrix - its a very philosophical movie which can provide hours of thought. It's a very thought provoking movie.

First of all, are you positive Zion was destroyed?

A simple yes or no here could change everyone's hypothesis. Personally I think it wasn't destroyed, I think the battle was just that - another battle in a seemingly endless war.

A few other things didn't make sense to me-

How could this entire city of Zion be rebuilt upon 16 women and 7 men (I believe those were the numbers)?

And, what was their definition of "rebuilt"? Rebuilt as in, recreate all machines which the humans were dependant upon to live (IE - the engineering dock)? I doubt that small number of humans would have the building power, mind capacity, or materials to build such a large city.

And, this "Matrix within a Matrix" theory, Sloi, could you explain to me please what reason the machines would have for doing such a thing?

Also.. I had a thought regarding this too.. We all remember that in the first movie Neo was made "The One" after Trinity confesses her love to him. Well, perhaps Neo's chosing Trinity rather then the safety of Zion was his confession of love to her. Maybe he was made the one of this "real world" Matrix only after this decision, after he chose this path..

The Architect - very hard to analyze.

The Merovingian (spelling) - very odd.. very odd indeed. I do believe there is a connection here to him and the Holy Grail guarding Merovingian.. perhaps the "mainframe key" was the sacred item he was assigned to guard.

I thought the oddest part was when that lady peed her pants after eating that specially programmed cake. :)

You're right.....zion wasn't destroyed. That's what Revolutions will be about, The Final Battle.

The matrix within the matrix might not be by the machines but might be a game for example or something like that, so far i'm just stabbing in the dark here.

and yeah........7 men and 16 women, hehe.....that's a lot of inbreeding there i would think. The architect said that those men and women were there to rebuild Zion, what for? I can only think of that they might be plocked and used for the matrix. But then again....if Neo would have chosen to get "assimilated" with the source then there would be no need for Zion since everyone in the matrix would be saved.

damn.....i can't wait for Revolutions, i want to see where this leads. (Still confused how neo was able to generate all that energy)

What exactly was the point of the source? What would happen if neo reached the source? I sort of missed that part. Must ahev been looking too hard at the screen and not listening.

In response to some of the other things you guys pointed out...

at first I didn't think Zion was destroyed, and how they had 24 hours. But then they picked up the agent smith that is inside the real world and they said he was the only survivor. Survivor of Zion...or was he perhaps on that ship that was blasted by the sentinels? Anyone answer that for sure? I thought he was in Zion, but if he waws on one of those ships it would make sense and we could say that Zion has not yet been destroyed.

16 women and 7 men...it would pretty much be like starting at 4000BC again except with some knowledge. The existing knowledge would have been there so after a few generations they might beable to get things back to the way they were. Things would definitley take some time. 16 women having lets say 10 kids is 160 kids. So then theres 80 women to have 800 kids...it can expand pretty rapidly, but would take some time.

The matrix within a matrix thing as I understand it would have been a human thing...which I think the architect is. The matrix would keep the unwanted things out (machines) of the real real world, while believeing they were actually in the real world. There would be no purpose for the machines to do this, but perhaps humans as a sort of shield or defence.

What is The Merovingian? I ahev no idea what your talking about here...

And I thought that lady was having a bit of an orgasm...maybe that was just my sick mind or something... oOo:

[quote:91523]The architect said that those men and women were there to rebuild Zion, what for?[/quote:91523]

If Zion was destroyed, wouldn't you rebuild it?

If God came up to you tomorrow and said choose 16 women and 7 guys because everyone else wil die, wouldn't you want to start the human race over again? What other choice do they have other than to not breed and die off? Pretty lonley for the last guy alive.

As for BloodBorn first post. Yes I ahev seen Anamatrix...it's called flight of the osiris. I totally forgot what happened in it though. All i remember is the two people fighting and they were slicing each others clothes off...and the anc the machines boring to zion and some ship shooting them.

As for the version 6 matrix X100 years of war = 600 years...I don't beleve that. I could be totally wrong, and say if I am, but wouldn't each attempt at restarting be different? On the current version (V6) they would ahve been at war for 100 years or whatever. The one before maybe they got their asses kicked right away in 1 year etc.

And did the architect really say that it was total startover with the 16 women and 7 guys or could it have been a startover with everything in place?

I don't know, i'm just saying what is in my head...I think we all need to see it again to draw better conclusions.

Soli pretty much wrapped it up. You have to really follow the story closely, there's many factors that will distress you from it, such as the french prick, and how the Arcitech talks, he is real sophicated with words. hake:

Ok, heres my thoughts on this after further thinking. I think as solidus said this something like the 13th floor, ie. a Matrix within a Matrix. Now the Architect even said it "...this program has run 5 times and each time the sentinels destroyed it, in fact they are getting better at it....everytime you (neo) and I meet you pick the door to save Zion...." This statement alone proves that Zion is just another matrix inside the matrix, especially if it has been destroyed and rebuilt 5x prior. Now my feelings on the Matrix inside the Matrix is this: Zion and the sentinels are just another Matrix for the people of Zion like Morpheous, Neo, Trinity, etc... that got unplugged from the Matrix of the outer world, kinda of like a backup protection for Rogue programs like them.

According to the Movie, "Yes" Zion has been destoyed, infact in the last scene when they get on the only surviving ship, the captian tells them "...it wasn't any kind of defense it was a slaughter...(Referring to the sentinels tunneling into Zion and Zions effort to defend themselves)"

Now as far as the world that Zion existed in (i call this world the Zion Matrix), as soon as Neo decided on the door that could save Trininty, everything changed!! Infact Neo says it when they get back to the inner world he says "...somethings different...(Right before he blows up the sentinels".

Some other random thoughts, the Spoon that the kid gave him, did anyone think that was just outta place. Remember in the first Matrix the kid learns to bend the spoon, this is where Neo first starts to notice things are different and starts to learn about the Matrix. I think whats gonna happen in the third movie is Neo is gonna bend the spoon and this will be the big revelation, that they have the same powers in the Zion Matrix as they do in the Outer Matrix.

Whats Smith's Deal, he's obviously up to no good, theres gonna be a showdown between him and Neo in the next movie. No doubt about it.

Anyways thats my 2 cents.

I dont know how Agent Smith came back and Neo fighting all of them their must be something wrong. But in Enter the Matrix the game i see morpheus meeting some captians from their ships in the world in some sewer then the Feds come.

And also when i was watching it i didnt see neo or that other women anywhere???

There are two modes of thought in regards to THE MATRIX;

Either it's a MATRIX within a MATRIX, or ZION IS real. Either one is needed for the machines, since conflict defines us as humans and is neccesary. Those aware of the matrix create a sort of subtle chaos within the MATRIX that cancels out the "perfection" that is rejected by humans. Like the old adage "it's quiet, too quiet". As humans we have a NEED for their to be SOMETHING, anything. Perfection, and peace is ALWAYS eyes suspiciously.

As far as THE ARCHITECT, why would he be human? Humans didn't create the MATRIX, the machines did.

The argument could be made that THE ARCHITECT is so sure of what is to occur because it is programmed that way. As far as time is concerned, the machines shouldn't have any concern for that, but felt the need to equate it to NEO in terms he could understand, marking time from "anomoly" to "anomoly". The use of the word "anomoly" further ambigues whether or not the real world is the matrix.

And SMITH taking over others minds; if someone is jakced in, it's not too far-fetched to think some sort of "signal feedback' could warp the mind of whoever is infected - which is to say SMITH isn't in BAINS mind, but his single-intent and purpose is. Having said that I sure am interested to know how the hell SMITH got where he was at the end.

And when NEO reached THE SOURCE he would reset THE MATRIX, effectively shutting it down, or getting CONTROL of it, thereby taking the power of the best control tool away from THE MACHINES.

And all the different PROGRAMS out there. They could be a movie all of themselves. As far as FRENCHIE being TOO frenchie. He's a PROGRAM, and he could have designed himself that way.

And the trialer for REVOLUTIONS looked KICK-ASS.

It's going to r0x0r your b0x0rz.

I offer you gentlemen a gift: the complete conversation between Neo and
the Architect:

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Architect: Hello Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question maybe the most pertinent you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here.

Neo: You haven’t answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.

Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)

Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.

Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it, Based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated my failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, and intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love.

Neo: Trinity

Architect: Apropo, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

Architect: We won’t.

oOo:

I think I juse made me even more confused, but good job soli.

There are a couple things I take away from briefly looking that over.

1) The Architect is not human. He refers to "your nature", and asid he required a lesser mind to develop the matrix because he was striving too hard for perfection.

2) Neo, or someone in his exact position has done the same thing 5 times before since he says "Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others. " That was pretty obvious though.

3) "The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion."

This is almost like what the key maker was talking about. remember he was killed and said he had served his purpose, Neo's purpose is to get to the source and restart life, however he choses trinity. there's all that talk about choice. It must be concluded that the previous Neo's chose to save Zion instead f Trininy, otherwise they would not be there doing this all over again...right?

"Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love."

Its pretty obvious that the others were not in Love, and therefore coped better with sacrificing thier friends in order to save zion.

So all in all Neo choses to save trinity and sacrifice zion and everyone attached to the matrix, from what we can assume. right now, this doesn't make sense to me. It seems like Neo made the wrong choice. if he goes to the source, humans can live on etc. When he saves trinity he basically said screw 6 billion people and went to save 1. Now from what we can tell there are only a handfull of people left. Maybe 10 or 12 on that one ship.

I don't think this is feasble for the movie. there must be some catch, and in some way the humans will survive and the machines will die...right now it doesn't look that way though.

It's a catch 22: Zion is destroyed no matter how you look at it.

If he chooses to save all humans: Zion is destroyed, he chooses people to
"re-populate" the new Zion and the Matrix is then reloaded.

If he chooses to save Trinity: Zion is destroyed, the Matrix is not reloaded,
killing all humans. The machines already have a contingency plan in place
if Neo decides that his love is more important: perhaps they have a back-up
Matrix with a few other humans somewhere untouched by the present Matrix?
hrmm...

All that is just more confusing then enlightening :/

but a great find on the Neo&The Architect speach biggrin:

This is also why it was called Matrix : Reloaded but in a way the matrix never did get reloaded as we have seen.

So Matrix: Revolutions must should be about Neo's revolutianray power (perhaps all human beings can do what he did and in that sense become weapons against the machines) . Cause think about it........the human body is basically a battery right? so why shouldn't it be able to discharge once in a while with certin consequences (ie. Neo's koma).

This will be an interestin conclusion to this Trilogy :)

holy shit, this thing already made 40 million in less than 24 hours! ed:

Hopefully it's gonna break the 300 million barrier that the titanic made.

damnit........of all movies titanic had to pull in 300 mil, it's friggin incredible how most people spend money to go and watch that crappy movie (as well as buy the Collectors Edition Video/DvD).

All i can say.......i'm gonna watch Matrix : Reloaded at least two more times biggrin:

lol my head hurts

Yeah, a catch 22.

Ether way, were really not doing very well.

Using logic however, Neo's choice wouldn't stand up. But since this is a movie, and Neo will pull something out of his ass, it'll work and everyone will be happy.

I never even really gave much thought to the titles of the movies. I doubt we'll beable to actually understand why each part is called revolution and reloaded until the trillogy is complete.