Sorry, I had to post this.
 

I am the author of the M1 Carbine that caused a large fight here, I thought it only fair that I am allowed to give my two cents as the original creator of it.

If you'd be so kind to go to this link:
http://www.pokemart.dodhq.net/index.php ... ge=carbine

You'll see that the M1 Carbine that was shown is indeed my model. All my modelling work is copywritten by law to me, meaning you may not release without my permission. If you would have been honest and said, "Hey Nomad, can I release this model for MOH:AA?" I would have been more than happy to say yes.

A lot of people are saying, "Well, we steal sounds, they steal models, oh well." That shouldn't justify you stealing more, I'm here as an 'Artist' protecting my work and my interests, regardless of what others do.

Sorry for all the trouble, I've posted on the Day of Defeat forums telling them to not come here unless they want to post constructively.

and he layed down the law......agree wit ya

Amen Nomad. I've been trying to keep some of these theiving motherfuckers in line for some time now.

suddenly Innoxx looks so smart now....lol

I can understand your frustration . But just one thing why would you have a model you did for mohaa copywritten . Especially since getting a copyright is about 40 dollars or so depending ..

Sorry if i seem like an ass but it seems like these days everyone says they have everything copywirtten when they really dont . Im not saying that its NOT or even if it wasnt that it would make it right to steal or take from the person who did ALL the work .

Just wondering if you did this modelling for a company or something or why you would pay to have it copywritten

Sorry but for some reason people just don't care. They steal work anyway. I am a big opponent of stealing peoples work hake: no matter what it is.

Thanks for the understanding.

Deadly, I have everything that is released to the public copywritten, because people have stolen things that were made for pay before.

Glad ya did nomad. the amount of ripping/claiming that goes around here is sickening. a short browse showed me whats really been going on here. i just hope it doesent happen again.. eek:

[quote="Russ.Conscript":b0d50]Glad ya did nomad. the amount of ripping/claiming that goes around here is sickening. a short browse showed me whats really been going on here. i just hope it doesent happen again.. eek:[/quote:b0d50]

Oh, it probalby will happen again. So I'll be pretty busy owning these n00bs. *cracks knuckles, rolls up sleeves*

great model BTW dude

hmm nomad not sure how u could copywrite a model for halflife unless you worked for valve or had express permission from them. maybe artistic licence but thats all. either way this is a pointless post because your model has never been released for mohaa. and if it was you would have recieived credit for it.

I appoligize for any implications i might have made that this was my weapon. What i meant was it was converted by me for mohaa. Every model i have converted i have given proper credit to the orig authors. What I can not stand is the constant harrasment from some AA members on every thread. We are not making money off this and we are only doing this for the enjoyment of the game as you are for half life.

" What is a Copyright?

Copyright is a protection that covers published and unpublished literary, scientific and artistic works, whatever the form of expression, provided such works are fixed in a tangible or material form. This means that if you can see it, hear it and/or touch it - it may be protected. If it is an essay, if it is a play, if it is a song, if it is a funky original dance move, if it is a photograph, HTML coding or a computer graphic that can be set on paper, recorded on tape or saved to a hard drive, it may be protected. Copyright laws grant the creator the exclusive right to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display the work publicly. Exclusive means only the creator of such work, not anybody who has access to it and decides to grab it."

Taken from http://www.whatiscopyright.org/

well i hope he got permission from winchester oOo:

of course it was never relased for MOH. but the fact of the matter is that you and guarnere were claiming the model was yours. had it been allowed to go any farther, it would have been released without credit. i know this because you would have said something aobut it earlier in the post. but you dident.

not once did i say i created the model, or skin...id love to see some proof

you wanted proof? here, quoted from the M1 carbine thread:

Hobbs:

"see if I made it an m1 it would reload like an m1...."

hobbs clearly stated that he made it.

guarnere:

Well i helped Hobbs make that model ... and he cant release it...sorry
helped him make it? MAKE it? i dont think so.

copywrite # please.......
and btw no model i have ever relased has not given credit to the modlers.
so ur point is invalid.

you wanted proof? here, quoted from the M1 carbine thread:

Hobbs:

"see if I made it an m1 it would reload like an m1...."

hobbs clearly stated that he made it.

guarnere:

Well i helped Hobbs make that model ... and he cant release it...sorry
helped him make it? MAKE it? i dont think so.

whoops posted twice biggrin:

Again. You cannot lay claim to anything without REAL documentation. I don' t like it either, but lets face the facts... You HAVE to copywrite this stuff, DON'T release it and not expect it to get stolen or re done or re skinned.

make as in put in game...i helped him through a program called VNC...thats how i taught him how to convert shit...arent i allowed a few typing mistakes

Never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience(c)

You guys have been caught stealing a copyrighted work of an artist. At least apologize and admit your mistake, so you can keep your dignity. Is it so much work to ask someone permission, in the Day of Defeat community I've never heard anyone turn down a request, ever. And I've been registered since late beta 1.3.

what is VNC!

[quote="GEN COBRA":bbc0c]Again. You cannot lay claim to anything without REAL documentation. I don' t like it either, but lets face the facts... You HAVE to copywrite this stuff, DON'T release it and not expect it to get stolen or re done or re skinned.[/quote:bbc0c]

so lets see.. how many sigs can i steal without pissing anyone off? you did make yours dident you? just makin sure, i wanna see your reaction when something of yours is taken. btw this is MY sig now. i have no idea what it is, but scince its not copywrited, i guess ill take it.

the point im making is, if your gonna do something like that, at least have the common decency to say it isnt yours. btw this little predicament has gotten out of hand. im sure you are all good people, and have made your share of mistakes, intended or not. but there are others around here who have stolen work and tried to claim it as thier own, and im wondering why nothing has been done to stop it.

You live in the United States? It's federal law that any work, such as models, maps, etc, are copyrighted. And I beleive you're thinking of Patent Number, and it's not the first model.

I also feel this must be stated, posted on the DoD boards(don't even think you can get away with the shit you can here, we have strict rules)
[quote:bcb5e]I just find it rather hilarious that MOHaa'ers find our Quake1/2 engine DoD models so far superior to the Quake3 engine MOH models that they steal them....

That really says something about the quality of DoD modellers. You guys are fighting past super crappy engine limitations and making better models than people with a better engine and more modeling options (not to mention the default models made by so-called professionals)....
[/quote:bcb5e]

So far through all of that you haven't proven to me that any model posted here is even remotely yours.

http://www.rhetorical.com/cgi-bin/demo. ... voice=M001



Written by =DD=Wolf Kahler

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Public domain - not! When visiting a web site, it is so easy to click and save with a mouse button when one sees a graphic image that one likes, or to view the source code and copy part of or all of the HTML coding because one "likes the way this or that was done" or one "wants a similar layout", or to copy original writings because "that person expresses this or that so well". The general (and incorrect) notion is that anything that is on the internet is public domain and may be taken without permission from the creator/owner. Some people actually think (incorrectly) that just because bits of web pages may be stored in one's cache, or because certain browsers allow one to do "file save as" moves or anything similar one may use such material as one wishes. This is false.

Just because your driveway is not inside of your house, is it in the public domain? Does that give anybody off the street the right to stay on your driveway without your permission, even if they can see it from the street, or easily access it? The same basic principle applies to material published on the internet. Material found on the web may be copied freely only if the information is created by the (i) federal government, (ii) if the copyright has expired or (iii) the copyright has been abandoned by the holder. Therefore, "internet" and "public domain" are not synonymous. Any work published on the internet is not automatically placed it in the public domain, unless the material in question complies with one or more of the characteristics mentioned.
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In a nutshell, that means copyrights only need legal registration if there's money involved. For custom DoD models, there is no money, but it's still intellectual property in the guise of art.

Mind you, I'm in violation of that guy's copyrights by pasting that in a non-printed medium, though it is for research and education.

It is also a legal concern to convert any property to be used in DoD, whether it be from a paid dev team or someone's free custom work. If you can see it, hear it, smell it or touch it, it's probably copyrighted.

The term, "copyright," is derived from the fact that the person who owns the copyright has the "right" to "duplicate" ["copy"] the intelectual property covered by said legal right. That was the original intention of that particular right. You own it, you can sell or otherwise distribute it however you want. To do that, you probably have to make copies.

The law is quite clear [and this isn't the first time I've seen it] in that you do NOT need to pay a registration fee in order to own intelectual property. However, that registration fee allows you to seek monetary remuneration for violations of the copyright you own should you so desire [and are able to build a convincing enough case that the violations damaged you and your rights to such a degree that monetary remuneration is the only possible comfort you can attain].

Like I said. 0 proof.

WoW this thread got out of hand lol if u guys used his model then just say so if not then just ignore it ..

As far as a COPYRIGHT number well the only way you can find out its copywirten is to see the ones documented proof or go to court but its not like you can just look it up on the internet to see if its copywritten

all the guys from dod.net are flooding into our forum

OH NOS!

these DOD b00ns are total idiots! there hasnt been 1 mod from DOD released and yet they continue!!! guess what guys....DOD sucks my left and right testicle! damn why are you all playing a game that was released in the reagan era!!! now go back to your lame ass game and leave us alone! mad:

From what ive read on the dod forums the luger guarnere released was originally made for dod. This was long coming anyway, how long was innoxx talking about something like this happenning? In the movv irc channel ive said numerous times that the conversion of dod models would end up in some sorta shit storm and it has.

[img]http://www.geocities.com/davemachine2001/p_john_dunsworth.txt[/img]

A shit storm indeed.

Innoxx... I have the mysterious feeling I know you from somewhere... Hmm. Part of any old Counter-Strike communities? Perhaps DeadLOK? In anycase, copywrite laws and intellectual copywrite laws do not pretain to things that are sold. For instance, go ask ID Soft if you can convert their player models to MOH:AA, they will tell you no. As said, if someone had asked then I would have just said yes.

dude its a game. period. not life and death. its a game. have fun. life is too short to be pissed off, especially over a gun skin. No one was making money anyway, so who cares, if they wanted to they could still continue what they are doing, what is anyone gonna do, take Dr. Deleto, Guarnere, and Hobbs to Peoples court, for a gun skin, lmao, I dun think so.
So I say Continue on with your work Deleto and crew!! Fucc the dumbshit.

Oh yes great post moron, just shut the fuck up and keep your retarded comments to yourself. oOo:

It's not life or death? Excuse me, some people make a living off of modelling work and art.

ok damn, i didnt meen it in a offensive way, calm down...christ.
Im just trtyin to say its just a game, why cant we all have fun?
And damn no need for the fuccin name callin.