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imported_Fluffy_Bunny 06-11-2003 10:26 AM

political correctness gone mad?????
 
I'm insulted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm

Britain's national flag - the union jack - has been given the makeover treatment, in the hope of reflecting a more modern society.

A campaign is being launched to modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century.

The proposed new flag (see above) is the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK's transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years.

[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_enl_1055338922/img/laun.jpg[/img]


I'm not a racist but this is ridiculous, when immigration starts to change your society so that people build temples and stuff I can handle that, but changing the flag, WTF!!!???

06-11-2003 10:27 AM

the black reminds me too much of a German cross oOo:

ninty 06-11-2003 10:29 AM

This is happening everywhere.

They wanted to change the Canadian National Anthem because it had the word God in it and not everyone believes in God.

This stuff has been around for a long time. Why can't people just shut up and leave it alone. These things are the roots of our countries and a reflection of the way things were in the past. Don't try to change them.

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 06-11-2003 10:31 AM

The politicians have no balls these days, Thatcher would have this guy hung from the yardarm. oOo: oOo: oOo: oOo:

pest 06-11-2003 10:34 AM

How do people like this get press time???


I like this guys response best.

The idea is fine in principle but the design is all wrong. As far as I can see the blue and red people of this country as still massively over represented. Perhaps we could use a system of proportional representation and update the flag at each census.


Maybe a nice multi colored pie chart on neutral colored banner should be the next flag. oOo:

Tiwaz 06-11-2003 10:40 AM

It will not happen. I don't believe it will happen.

1080jibber 06-11-2003 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiwaz
It will not happen. I don't believe it will happen.

didnt they change a whole bunch of shit in school text book in america to be political correct.

i bet i will happen, this world is fucked!!!!!!

DEVILS ADVOCATE 06-11-2003 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1080jibber
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiwaz
It will not happen. I don't believe it will happen.

this world is fucked!!!!!!

i agree with you

Duke_of_Ray 06-11-2003 11:01 AM

Ha ha, this is so stupid! Who wants a multi cutural society? They do not work, its better to have one cultural society, not one rcae society, but one culture. Any race can adopt another culture, and they should if they live in a certain country.

Simo Häyhä 06-11-2003 11:02 AM

thats so fucked up. i wouldnt fly that new black flag. use the "old" brittish flag. i feel your pain fluffy.

Tiwaz 06-11-2003 11:03 AM

Don't be afraid, it will not happen. Think it over, and you can come to only one conclusion: It will not happen.

Why not? Because it's one of the most ridiculous ways to force a multicultural environment. A flag is a symbol of a country. Has been for ages, in most cases.

[quote:8746b]"The United Kingdom is not a firm which changes its corporate branding each time the management alters. The flag is an enduring symbol of unity which transcends politics and absorbs cultural change."

MSP Phil Gallie told the Scottish Parliament: "The suggestion that our flag should be redesigned is ridiculous tokenism and would do nothing to stamp out racism."

So what does Mr Turner need to do to make his flag official? The answer is not black and white, says flags expert Charles Ashburner.

"There are no laws governing the union flag. Primarily, it's the monarch's flag, but it has come to represent the UK through common usage.

"So to make it official, he just has to make people believe it's the official flag. It will never take the place of the union flag of course, but it could became a sort of quasi-official flag if enough people flew it."[/quote:8746b]

And this list will never end. There are just too much arguments against it. Some stupid idea of some ultra left wing supporting group/man.

It will not happen. It should not even be in the news as if it were an option to replace the original flag.

Simo Häyhä 06-11-2003 11:05 AM

Mr Turner, who has called his campaign Reflag, believes his plan would reclaim the union jack from its negative associations, and silence that old skinhead chant: "There ain't no black in the union jack."

"If I flew the union jack from a flagpole in my garden, many people would see it as a racist statement," he says.


well this makes a little more sense for the flag changing color..but still eek:

Tiwaz 06-11-2003 11:08 AM

[quote="Simo Häyhä":74c61]Mr Turner, who has called his campaign Reflag, believes his plan would reclaim the union jack from its negative associations, and silence that old skinhead chant: "There ain't no black in the union jack."

"If I flew the union jack from a flagpole in my garden, many people would see it as a racist statement," he says.


well this makes a little more sense for the flag changing color..but still eek:[/quote:74c61]

Yeah, like, the German flag (black, red, yellow) is totally wrong. It should be changed. Most Germans are offended by it. Since most Germans are white. Not Afro-German, Indian, Chinese.

Gimme a break.

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 06-11-2003 11:19 AM

Can you even begin to contemplate the effects of someone standing up and declaring a black Stars and Stripes? And having some politicians actually taking it seriously?

If there's one thing that I'm proud of about my country it's the flag, IMHO it's the prettiest flag in the world and if that changes the very idea of Britain is destroyed, this is like sacrilege.

Bazooka_Joe 06-11-2003 11:50 AM

It looks like crap like that. To be honest, I always thought the pattern of the UK flag was awesome, but that totally killed it.

Zoner 06-11-2003 11:57 AM

That's horrible. Leave that flag alone, for jeebus's sake!

Somewhere up in heaven, Winston Churchill just cursed a blue streak.

Unknown_Sniper 06-11-2003 02:12 PM

its everywhere!!! http://www.collegehumor.com/go?textfile=70 < thats comedy though. And as for the flag. It is kinda NAzi'ish looking

Sicilian_Summers 06-11-2003 02:27 PM

I don't think it's the WORST idea, or the concept behind it anyways..

The fact of the matter is, it would probably worsen situations rather then improve them (if there is a bad situation regarding the flag to begin with?). For one, the black minority is not the only one. As was stated before, why don't Asians ask for yellow or Indians for brown? Also, it seems like a slap in the face to many which reside within the UK. Many, MANY men have died fighting for that flag in a multitude of ways, and to change its design cannot improve its patriotic roots without hurting them.

Akuma 06-11-2003 03:02 PM

Every flag should be all black with rainbow lettering of the Country's name.

Stinger_Dude 06-11-2003 08:40 PM

lets not worry too much about it. I heard parliament always suggest crazy new ideas like changing airplane seat sizes. oOo:

Old Reliable 06-11-2003 10:26 PM

Millions of men died under the Union Jack and some moron proposes to change the flag? Why do people worry about such dumb stuff?

06-11-2003 10:28 PM

so they are saying that white in teh flag represents white people so they need black in it for black people.

the big question is where has anyone ever seen blue people (other than people who drowned)

BloodBorn 06-12-2003 03:38 AM

That "new" flag just doesn't feel right. It looks.....umm...weird.

Eight Ace 06-12-2003 05:26 AM

*Mr Turner, who has called his campaign Reflag, believes his plan would reclaim the union jack from its negative associations,
and silence that old skinhead chant: "There ain't no black in the union jack."
"If I flew the union jack from a flagpole in my garden, many people would see it as a racist statement," he says.


...there may well be many good reasons to tamper with historical icons such as the Union Jack,
but merely to negate some half-arsed racist chant would surely not be one of them...
...never, in the field of Social Engineering...were so many...needlessly pissed off...by so few... eek:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoner91
Somewhere up in heaven, Winston Churchill just cursed a blue streak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pest
Maybe a nice multi colored pie chart on neutral colored banner should be the next flag. oOo:

...haha! yes...it would represent that kind of thinking perfectly!

redhawk_six 06-12-2003 12:18 PM

Re: political correctness gone mad?????
 
[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":ef34a]I'm insulted.

[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm[/url]

Britain's national flag - the union jack - has been given the makeover treatment, in the hope of reflecting a more modern society.

A campaign is being launched to modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century.

The proposed new flag (see above) is the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK's transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years.

[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/03/uk_enl_1055338922/img/laun.jpg[/img]


I'm not a racist but this is ridiculous, when immigration starts to change your society so that people build temples and stuff I can handle that, but changing the flag, WTF!!!???[/quote:ef34a]

WHAT THE FUCK!!! Change the union jack!!! The union jack has been around for thousands of years and no one had a problem with it! Now this fucktard wants to change it!?! Then why not change the Canadian flag, or the American flag, or hell, the United Nations flag, they don't have any black in them either!!! To change the union jack would be to deface and insult everything it stands for as well as all the history behind it!!!

Simo Häyhä 06-12-2003 12:25 PM

i think the brittish flag is very pretty, i see people wearing it on thier clothes and underwear oOo: around here.

06-12-2003 01:38 PM

damn, Austin Powers is gonna get pissed when he has to get a new roof for his Mini cooper...

Captain Bunny 06-12-2003 08:50 PM

Shouldnt someone point out to Mr Nigel Turner that the Union Jacks colours represents the countries of Great Britian, and not in anyway the race of its people. And to add black on the basis of the colour of race would in itself be racist.

Stinger_Dude 06-12-2003 09:36 PM

I thought the union jack appeared 400 years ago?

mikecs18 06-12-2003 10:30 PM

souns like someones trying to fuck with history... changing the flag... greedily wanting to alter the flag to be able to say" duh haha I put tha black on thar, duurp!"

leave it the hell alone fire1:

mikecs18 06-12-2003 10:32 PM

thats the way I see it anyways.

sorry about the double post. we need an edit button

Stinger_Dude 06-12-2003 10:43 PM

Our world is changing fast. I guess we have o get use to this stuff as we go along.

mikecs18 06-12-2003 10:49 PM

no


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