100% BS
 

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file swappers sued wth!!!!!



lets discuss this crap guys....

[quote:b5851]According to an RIAA statement, the total number of lawsuits could reach into the thousands.[/quote:b5851]

Are they on fuckin crack?

thousands? try millions upon millions

Never been more proud to be a Canadian.

/me high fives Buckweed.

oOo: yea I'd be fucked. so would u and u and u...

man i wish someone would file a friggin lawsuit against me. I'd set fire to every isp company around town for giving the Riaa illegal info on mah.

No one mentioned they sued a 12 year old girl...

moon'em

oh yeah biggrin:

Excuse me but information about your IP and your ILLEGAL activities is NOT covered under any kind of united states act, sorry to burst your little bubble. If you download a song, youre stealing, and the correct owner has the RIGHT to pursue legal action. Bottom line.

[quote="ED!":ff4e3]Excuse me but information about your IP and your ILLEGAL activities is NOT covered under any kind of united states act, sorry to burst your little bubble. If you download a song, youre stealing, and the correct owner has the RIGHT to pursue legal action. Bottom line.[/quote:ff4e3] like i said i wish SOMEONE would come to MY door passing on some info about some friggin lawsuit b/c of some file sharing?? Thats when all the isp's must pay

Pay for WHAT? Anywhere in your terms and services did you see ANYTHING that saidyour ISP will not hand over your personal information if your IP is connected to illegal activity? Your ISP could hand over every single IP it has to the FBI and there's not a damn thing you could od about it. Well cerrtainly you could do something, but u sure as hell wouldnt get far.

[quote="ED!":6cdc5]Excuse me but information about your IP and your ILLEGAL activities is NOT covered under any kind of united states act, sorry to burst your little bubble. If you download a song, youre stealing, and the correct owner has the RIGHT to pursue legal action. Bottom line.[/quote:6cdc5]

Unbelievable, we agree on something. ed:

Yeah, it's hard to ague with ED's point on this one. It's pretty black & white, really.

last i heard the ISPs were telling the RIAA to stuff it & they many were refusing to release the info.

[quote="Sergeant_Scrotum":06197]last i heard the ISPs were telling the RIAA to stuff it & they many were refusing to release the info.[/quote:06197]

Of course theyre going to do this. High Speed Internet is big buiness and ISP's KNOW what people are going to be using this for. No ISP wants to get the image that at the smallest knudge they are going to toss over your info to the authorities. Of course with the offenders that you just cannot turn the other cheek on, youre fucked, and no way your ISP is gonna go to bat for u. But the MAJORITY of users and downloaders arent career criminals and are just looking for those songs they cant find anywhere else.

We'll see real fireworks when the RIAA starts demanding IP's from ISP's.

And to GTBOY - lemme put it in terms you can understnad. Say someone stole your RAZOR - yanno those gay ass scooters. And say you reported it. Then the cops come to your house and tell you - we KNOW who stole your faggoty scooter, but we're not going to give you that information to protect the thiefs identity.

I bet youd be pissed then.

As a music fan I say bullshit. As a musician I say hell yeah. How can a rock star make money if their cd's go for free.Touring thats about it.

[quote="ED!":b185a][quote="Sergeant_Scrotum":b185a]last i heard the ISPs were telling the RIAA to stuff it & they many were refusing to release the info.[/quote:b185a]

Of course theyre going to do this. High Speed Internet is big buiness and ISP's KNOW what people are going to be using this for. No ISP wants to get the image that at the smallest knudge they are going to toss over your info to the authorities. Of course with the offenders that you just cannot turn the other cheek on, youre fucked, and no way your ISP is gonna go to bat for u. But the MAJORITY of users and downloaders arent career criminals and are just looking for those songs they cant find anywhere else.

We'll see real fireworks when the RIAA starts demanding IP's from ISP's.

And to GTBOY - lemme put it in terms you can understnad. Say someone stole your RAZOR - yanno those gay ass scooters. And say you reported it. Then the cops come to your house and tell you - we KNOW who stole your faggoty scooter, but we're not going to give you that information to protect the thiefs identity.

I bet youd be pissed then.[/quote:b185a] I wouldnt give a crap about a friggin scooter or any other childish toys special ed, Why would I? Another thing, are you, ED, implying that the way i act on this website is childish, idiotic, and or stupid?

[quote="ED!":237fb]Excuse me but information about your IP and your ILLEGAL activities is NOT covered under any kind of united states act, sorry to burst your little bubble. If you download a song, youre stealing, and the correct owner has the RIGHT to pursue legal action. Bottom line.[/quote:237fb]

EXCUSE ME, but with the amount of hacking and viruses, ISPs providing infoto RIAA on people who download music is like a cop chasing a shoplifter who stole $30 of merchandise when someone is getting raped just 50 yards away from that cop.

As long as I pay for internet the ISP is on MY PAYROLL, NOT RIAAs!
Therefore doing what I WANT THEM TO (stopping hackers and viruses) is more important than what RIAA tell them to do (waste time attempting to stop pirates)

its all about greed, from the riaa to the musicians


and if you want to bring up the whole "its stealing" thing then why am i being "robbed" of $20 dollars every time i buy a cd, and i have been paying that price for as long as i can remember

the riaa is trying everything to get money from anyone, from putting on a "tax" im going to say tax because it is, on mini disks, mp3 players, cd-r's, and they are even trying to get the isp to charge extra so a little goes to them, because since you payed for one of those things any of them could be used with mp3's that could have been downloaded or "stolen"

Well all these fucking dumb shits that cant even think to take all the shit out of the shared folder and into a different folder. If they did that, then nobody could track them.

then no one would be able to download shit

hmmm, good point.

How are you being robbed? Is someone putting a gun to your head and saying "Jibber buy this Justin Timberlake album or I'll fucking kill you". YOU make a decision to buy the product. If you dont like the price, dont buy it. However if you CHOOSE to steal the music, be prepared to face the consequences. Noone is saying that the current business model and delivery system the RIAA operates under is without fault, but there needs to be some level of responsibility on your part for what you are doing. Theres nothing NOBLE here, or rightoues. Youre stealing music.

[quote:c611a]EXCUSE ME, but with the amount of hacking and viruses, ISPs providing infoto RIAA on people who download music is like a cop chasing a shoplifter who stole $30 of merchandise when someone is getting raped just 50 yards away from that cop.[/quote:c611a]

What a horribly cliched response. So because theres murder happening you have a right to steal, since cops should be busting OTHER peopels chops. Yea ok. Also, your ISP has ITS best interests in mind. If you dont like the prospect that YES they have the right to turn over your information to federal or local authorities, then get off the internet. Stop trying to make excuses for what it is youre doing. You have no leg to stand on in this situation. If the copyright owner of that music took you to court - YOU WOULD LOSE. There is no other side of the coin here buddy. You broke the law, and they have the right to bankrupt you.

And GT - way to dodge the fucking question. Whatre you 13?

One more thing - Record Companies are the ones who benefit from CD sales the most. Truly an artist hopes a cd does well so he can cover the costs of making the album and pay back whatever the record company loaned him, but the artist will not make that money from the record - usually. Most artist nowadays make the money from touring, advertising, and etc. In fact there are artists who rely SOLEY on touring to turn a profit. Take a look at Moby, the NEPTUNES, etc. to see how they can sell a million or less albums and still pull in big bucks (Moby-whoring out to consumer america, Neptures-producing fees - they made about 50million or so last year).

I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.

I'm downloading 20 songs right now.

whats a isp?

[quote="Sgt Stryker":782c7]I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.[/quote:782c7]

Again using circular arguments to justify your point. A matter of priorities is BEYOND the point. You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others. The RIAA could care less about Cancer Research since they - wait for it - arent doctors studying cancer research. If the FBI wants the name of some hacker who hacked some bullshit, then theyll go after them too. And, ahem - yanno theres more than ONE division of the FBI dedicated to cyber-crime. See they have it set up that way to make sure lil bastards like yourself who want to pull the "but mommy he's doing it", or "omg h4x0rz there r worc ppl than me!" arguments have no leg to stand on. The FBI and relevant industries will go after the offenders that are affecting THEIR livelyhood.

[quote="ED!":678a9][quote="Sgt Stryker":678a9]I don't download music, assclown, I never said I did.

so what are you saying?
instead of busting hackers who could cause me harm ISPs should bust downloaders who don't do shit to me but harm teh recording industry?
Like I said, who pays the ISP's bills: me, or RIAA?

BTW, what's more important to mankind:

40GB of cancer research data destroyed by a hacker who could have had the plug pulled on him long ago,
or a couple paltry million that RIAA lost to downloads?

ISPs only have so many resources they can contribute to the war on cyber-terrorism (hacking and virusing to you civvies), yet RIAA demands that they take these precious resources away to fight a much less heinous crime.[/quote:678a9]

Again using circular arguments to justify your point. A matter of priorities is BEYOND the point. You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others. The RIAA could care less about Cancer Research since they - wait for it - arent doctors studying cancer research. If the FBI wants the name of some hacker who hacked some bullshit, then theyll go after them too. And, ahem - yanno theres more than ONE division of the FBI dedicated to cyber-crime. See they have it set up that way to make sure lil bastards like yourself who want to pull the "but mommy he's doing it", or "omg h4x0rz there r worc ppl than me!" arguments have no leg to stand on. The FBI and relevant industries will go after the offenders that are affecting THEIR livelyhood.[/quote:678a9]

your continual assumptions that I download music and am a child only prove that you are

a. dyslexic
b. retarded
c. can't read
d. just some dumb faggot who likes to get on everyone else's nerves

did you understand anything I said you fucking moron!
ISP only have so many resources they can use, you are saying that they should give into the demands or RIAA when they don't even have hackers under control?

ED is 100% correct, "we" are stealing music. Yes, I download a song or two just like the rest of you and to tell you the truth, it's stealing.

I don't agree with it but that's the way it is. If you don't like it. Send your congressmen a letter stating your opinions towards these laws. If he does no represent your options. Then vote him out. Until you can change the law(s), it's stealing.

And please do not make personal attracts towards each other. I know you guys can debate both sides of this rationally. This is what makes for good conversation in this forum.

well, I don't steal music, in fact I would never use one of those damn filesharing things, too much risk of fucking up your computer.
As someone who does not download music I would appreciate it if my ISP would deal with my needs (helping stop hackers so my computer is kept safe) BEFORE the go catering to RIAA (who happen to not pay my ISP's bills, I do along with thousands of other "average joes")

[quote="Sgt Stryker":77755]well, I don't steal music, in fact I would never use one of those damn filesharing things, too much risk of fucking up your computer.
As someone who does not download music I would appreciate it if my ISP would deal with my needs (helping stop hackers so my computer is kept safe) BEFORE the go catering to RIAA (who happen to not pay my ISP's bills, I do along with thousands of other "average joes")[/quote:77755]

I think there is some responsibility on your end to keep your system/network safe also. I agree that the ISP needs to do their best, but the end user must be a participant in that process also.

Doesnt say much for you Stryker if you're arguing with a dyslexic on the internet, much less being unable to string together any kind of coherent argument for yourself. Methinks you should stick with what you know, BED WETTING, and leave the logic to the adults.

Did I say you dl music - no, and I could care less if you did. YOU said -

"Omfg!111 M16: I pay my Dsl bill they shouldnt be worrying about ppl dling music they should make sure my interweb is always wrking" -

To which I said - your ISP can do WHAT EVER THE HELL IT WANTS. It does not cater to YOU. Read that again. Your ISP could give a fuck what YOU as an individual wants. If you leave your ISP because someone else is being targeted for dling music, then you're as silly and foolish as your arguments are. But rest assured your ISP wont miss you. Lets see - your ISP has the option of A.) Pandering to some spoiled brat who wants an extra Kb to access streaming porn with, or B.) co-operating with the RIAA who have several politicians and lobbyist working for them, and assuring that they are in business 1 year down the line. Golly wilbur I wonder who the RIAA is going to take care of first. oOo:

Seriously, its the spoiled petulant nature of folks like you that bring folks like the RIAA down over all our heads.

[quote="ED!":807e2]Doesnt say much for you Stryker if you're arguing with a dyslexic on the internet, much less being unable to string together any kind of coherent argument for yourself. Methinks you should stick with what you know, BED WETTING, and leave the logic to the adults.

[/quote:807e2]

shouldn't that be directed at you?

[quote:807e2]Did I say you dl music - no, and I could care less if you did[/quote:807e2]

you said "You are breaking the law. You are breaking a law that potentially takes money out of the hands of others."
the prosecution rests

[quote:807e2]YOU said -

"Omfg!111 I pay my Dsl bill they shouldnt be worrying about ppl dling music they should make sure my interweb is always wrking" - [/quote:807e2]

did I really?
either you can't read correctly or you are Joe Scarborough (make up lies about others)

[quote:807e2]your ISP can do WHAT EVER THE HELL IT WANTS[/quote:807e2]

therefore it is not required to give RIAA jack shit

[quote:807e2]It does not cater to YOU. Read that again. Your ISP could give a fuck what YOU as an individual wants[/quote:807e2]

you think I am the only one concerned about hackers and viruses?
what rock have you been hiding under?
ever hear of the blaster worm?
it shut down the entire Cox High Speed Internet network in Kansas and Oklahoma. Also numerous businesses in the US and throughout the world were hurt my blaster. One worm wasted more money in one week (repairs, down time, etc) than RIAA loses to downloads in a year.
and ignoring the customers is the best way for a business to fail in American capitalism.

[quote:807e2] Pandering to some spoiled brat who wants an extra Kb to access streaming porn with,[/quote:807e2]

I am neither a spoiled brat nor do I download porn, again stop acting like that moron Scarborough. (or O'Reilley)

Like I said before, blaster was hardly an "inconvenience" it caused massive damage in business, education, and home use of computers.

[quote:807e2] and assuring that they are in business 1 year down the line.[/quote:807e2]

last I checked this is not the USSR and the government can't shut down a free enterprise for taking care of more important matters first.

[quote:807e2]Seriously, its the spoiled petulant nature of folks like you that bring folks like the RIAA down over all our heads.[/quote:807e2]

oh yeah, I caused RIAA to go after all you assclowns because I say fighting hackers is a greater priority. methinks you should leave the logic to the adults.


Furthermore, if you read more carefully I never said that pirates should have immunity because there are hackers out there, I said that ISPs should combat the GREATER THREAT FIRST, which happen to be hackers and viruses. I'll explain it in terms you can understand:
a policeman is driving along and sees two events, and armed robbery and a fender-bender, for some reason no reinforcements are avaliable. Is he going to take care of both events? yes. Is he going to stop the armed robber first or make the drivers in the fender-bender exchange insurance info?
The intelligent posters should fihure out which problem is more important.

Stryker - listen kid, you have no agrument - youre argument comes down to "omg hax they should look at me and let someone else handle other things" - what do you think the fucking FBI has ONE person handling hackers - what in gods name do you think the CyberCrime division consists of. ALSO - LOCAL law enforcement would only enforce laws, or serve subpeanes etc - they are not going to go chasing after little hackers on skateboards despite what you've seen on television. What it all boils down to kid - is the fact that you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about. And that my friend is pretty damn sad. If you dont dl music, and if hackers are being prosecuted (the found an architect of the Blaster worm fyi), and you're able to hop on line and play Counter Strike with all your cool buddies - wheres it hurting u cowboy. Like I said, if you honestly think your ISP is going to say NO to the RIAA, and even the FBI you've got about as much brains in your head as a bum as clean spots in his ass.

I have not seen a good fight like this in a while. both of you make good points though. so back before the internet the record company cryed about. people recording on casetts. granted the internet makes it much bigger. I will buy a cd I want because a cd sounds better than a mp3. I will down load a song from some one hit wonder, or band that only has one song I want and dont want to waste 18$ on.

On a side note my friend likes to down load movies and his isp cut him off because WB called his isp and complained. he got it back on the next day though. because he called and said he can do what ever he wants with his shit. and WB can f them selves.

but yeah its stealing just like recording it on a tape in the 80s was.

[img]http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/10/25/strangelove.jpg[/img]

The thing about cassettes is that the RIAA realized that they cant track things like recordning music off the radio, or making tapes for your friends. With the internet - there is a tracking method. And theres no way the RIAA is backing down now, because now they can find out who you are.

This I believe id the definitive difference. Control.

And stryer isnt even arguing the merits or not of downloading music. Simply what his ISP should be doing. As if catering to a teen is better than keeping your ability to provide a service.

crap man, i wanna be in this debate too. Someone throw me a friggin bone already

Stryker, do I understand you correctly that you are saying that it is the ISP's job to protect your computer from Viruses and hackers and theirs alone?

[quote="ED!":9584a]Stryker - listen kid, you have no agrument - youre argument comes down to "omg hax they should look at me and let someone else handle other things" - what do you think the fucking FBI has ONE person handling hackers - what in gods name do you think the CyberCrime division consists of. ALSO - LOCAL law enforcement would only enforce laws, or serve subpeanes etc - they are not going to go chasing after little hackers on skateboards despite what you've seen on television. What it all boils down to kid - is the fact that you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about. And that my friend is pretty damn sad. If you dont dl music, and if hackers are being prosecuted (the found an architect of the Blaster worm fyi), and you're able to hop on line and play Counter Strike with all your cool buddies - wheres it hurting u cowboy. Like I said, if you honestly think your ISP is going to say NO to the RIAA, and even the FBI you've got about as much brains in your head as a bum as clean spots in his ass.[/quote:9584a]


you must have taken bullshit 101 from the GOP

you don't listen to anything the opposition says and throw insults with a few "facts" thrown in for the fun of it. Sorry, A for effort, F- for argumentation skills