Do you have faith in mankind?
 

Today, in the 21st century, is really the first time in our history where one person could bring all of human achievement and all we know tumbling to the ground. 100 years ago, this wouldn't have been achievable by the strength of any nation. With numerous global threats, are we really going to get through all this?

u have way to much time to think about stuff

It took me about 20 seconds to think it and type it. That might be a long time in the life span of a gnat, but I think I can spare it.

I dun think so, cause 100 years ago, there are no nukes and no country can attack each other with a safe distance. Nowadays, there are terrorists determined to destroy us, nuclear countries capable of destroying each other, and biological/chemical weapons that can wipe out mankind if use correctly so yes, mankind would survive but in a highly cost within the next 8-12 years

Re: Do you have faith in mankind?
 

This should be in the stupid questions thread. Mankind as a whole is ignorant and destructive. Too bad the idiots mess it up for we intelligent people, eh Sloi? oOo:

Einstein said we would use rocks on the other side of WWIII.

Mankind follows the path of all species of greater intelligence in the fact that with our great advances we will eventually destroy ourselves. It's kind of a cultural suicide. I once read a book by a philosopher from the earlier 20th century who pondered whether maybe mankind had cycles of growth and life. He proposed that mankind would grow to the point of maximum intelligence for that evolutionary stage then destroy itself. After the destruction the remnants would start all over like cavemen and start the cycle over, except that they willl have evolved slightly so that thier cycle will go a bit further than the cycle before them. This is the way he explained evolutionary change in humans. His points were brought to the table by the proof we have found of several different species of man who have all died off in time to make way for the new species of man. Wish I could remember the book's name, was a good read.

As for him having too much time on his hands, if he's anything like me then this kind of thing will just pop into the brain and take over the thinking until a reasonable answer is found. I will obsess over a problem until I have found what I consider to be the most probable explanation. I'm actually quite glad someone here is posting things like this. It's a hell of a lot better than the normal "Ohhhh! The new gforce graphics card is out!! ooooooooooh! It rules!" kind of topics we see as it will quite possibly make you think a bit about your answer.

Good question ninty9. I do have faith in mankind as a whole. I believe that their are enough good people out there to make it a better world.

Noctis you are nothing but a jerk. I't people like you that with shallow hate filled minds that make this world the mess it is today.

Badscript if you want to ban me for this flame, I understand.

Yes, if mankind was my penis, and salvation was an 8 year old child, then I do ...

Well, a new generation of softheads and pansies will take care of the "war" issue. Thank you UC Berkely.

Re: Do you have faith in mankind?
 

exactly what he said, so fucking true.

no matter what you do, when you gather people in large groups they gain a mass mentality, which unfortunatly is that of ignorance and intolerance.

[quote="Low spark":2f941]Noctis you are nothing but a jerk. I't people like you that with shallow hate filled minds that make this world the mess it is today.
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Hey, don't hate me just because I happen to have an IQ in the top one percentile of the nation. I can't help that I'm smart, I just fucking hate idiots. Smart people don't fuck things up, idiots do. Usually idiots disguised as smart people. Oh, and liberals are all idealistic idiots. Thank you, come again.

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":d52f3]u have way to much time to think about stuff[/quote:d52f3]

shut the fuck up Capt.Cocksucker
...anyway, shouldn't you be posting pictures of poop in each thread? eek:

Actully, he said some thing to the effect of "I know not what WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

And no, I have no faith in mankind.

Mankind = oOo:

Re: Do you have faith in mankind?
 

Well, yeah, think how far we have come scientifically.

Look how far we have developed Space Travel. Ditto for Nuclear Science.
Its amazing how far our technology has come, and how much we rely on un-human things.

We definitely have more power in our hands as a human race, then we've ever had.

[img]http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/072000/features/images/role_mankind.jpg[/img]

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Seriously, though. Faith in mankind? I used to. I'm becoming jaded in my old age.

...you know, Mankind is a bit like Womankind...you can't live with it and you can't live without it,
no matter how extreme the bitching may get.....'til next time, I'm Eight Ace. freak:

[quote="ED!":3bbb8]Well, a new generation of softheads and pansies will take care of the "war" issue. Thank you UC Berkely.[/quote:3bbb8]

with warmongers like ^ and fools like Bush in high positions
no I don't have faith in mankind, until people start using their brains (instead of blindly following religion or whoever happens to be leader at the time)

Re: Do you have faith in mankind?
 

we've come a long way but unfortunately the idiots in charge are happy to use inferior technology to pollute the Earth to hell and dismiss experts' opinions as bullshit.
Of course the average layperson's fear of "nuke-you-ler" power is really fucking up our evironment, in fact coal spews more radioactive material INTO THE ATHMOSPHERE, while nuclear waste stays in containers underground.

So basically our problem is stupid people outnumber smart people, so their stupid peers get elected and make stupid decisions.

Our advancements in technoligy have brought us closer to doing things we've never even imagined we could do, so yeah, I trust mankind.

ROFLOL

[quote="Sgt Stryker":982c7][quote="ED!":982c7]Well, a new generation of softheads and pansies will take care of the "war" issue. Thank you UC Berkely.[/quote:982c7]

with warmongers like ^ and fools like Bush in high positions
no I don't have faith in mankind, until people start using their brains (instead of blindly following religion or whoever happens to be leader at the time)[/quote:982c7]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! The previous threads flame had died down and I was itching for another one.

War Mongerer huh - you can say that from what? Done a detailed profile of me have you. Shit son we could put you on CSI and BAM! you'd be like a superhero or something. You'd have to stop jizzing in a sock though, and that acne would have to go - but I think we can swing it.

War, conflict, etc have been the driving forces of advancement and technological breakthrough. People dont sit around and think - "gee everything is so peaceful and serene, lemme make a nuclear bomb". No - evoluton is defined by struggle to ADAPT to a HARSH setting, and learning to control your environment. It just so happens that there are situations in the world that give us a good reason to go to war and to fight and to expand.

Of course I'm sure if we used our "brains" we could have sent in a negotiator to the Taliban stronghold and asked them very nicely if they could please not kill us anymore, and stop hijacking our planes, and make it unsafe for americans to travel abroad. Oh yea. That would have worked. . .for about the five seconds it would have taken them to load their guns and shoot us in the head.

Nixon was right - u kids are useless.

The war against the Taliban was 100% justified,
what was the reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
phantom WMDs?
even the "Saddam is an evil dictator" reason is a better one that the official reason.

I hate Saddam as much as the next guy, but because Iraqis are being opressed doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
the US military exists to protect the security of Americans, therefore exterminating the Taliban to the last raghead was a good idea, because they posed a threat.

Hussein does not have the conventional means to hurt the US (SCUDs only shoot out to 500 miles, that's a few thousand short to get here).
Also contrary to what Bush says AL Quaeda and Saddam hate each other, mainly because of his oppression of the shiite muslims.

Saudi Arabia is known to have close ties with Bin Laden and Al Quaeda, so why the fuck aren't we bombing them instead? Taking out Saudi Arabia would be more justified considering their financial ties with OBL and the fact that most of the hijackers were Saudi.

I am not against war in defense of our homland, I am against the US playing global cop in areas where US interests are in no way threatened, best example was Kosovo. Before we interfered the Serbs had the situation under contol, sure they were heavy-handed, but look what is going on now:

Drug traffic has increased throughout Europe, the Albanian so-called "refugees" have nearly doubled Europe's crime rate, and the Albainan mafia is on the verge of defeating the Italian mafia. So it looks like the Albanians were getting all that they deserved from the Serbs, but we had to butt in.

I fear that the same thing is going on in Iraq.
Look at the latest targets, somebody blew up a mosque, they killed some religious leader, etc.
These are not Saddam loyalists attacking US troops, it looks more like various religious factions are going after each other. These people aren't ready for the 21st century, they aren't even ready for the 20th.

Also one has to understand that if a foreign power invades and starts wrecking everything and anything the people are more likely to rally to their leaders, even if the leaders are evil.

Mankind would only exist when a powerful government takes over the world and the entire human race resort to prozium and Grammatron Clerics enforce the law.

[quote="Stinger_Dude":75ea0]Mankind would only exist when a powerful government takes over the world and the entire human race resort to prozium and Grammatron Clerics enforce the law.[/quote:75ea0]

what scifi is that from?

[quote="Sgt Stryker":88ce4]doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
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Not even going to read any more of your post than that. Our soldiers enlist under the oath to protect freedom and justice around the world. They understand that they may have to give their lives in the pursuit of liberty. The number of US casualties doesn't even crest 1% of 1% of the Iraqis slaughtered by Hussein. I don't give a fuck what liberal CNN told you to think, the war in Iraq was not only justified - and here's a really difficult concept for you fucking knucklehead liberals - it was the RIGHT THING TO DO.

this is the military oath "I, ___________________________________, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

I don't see anything about protecting freedom and justice around the world.


Even if it was so, why Iraq?
There are a multitude of places in Africa where the leadership has mudered far more people.
North Korea is a genuine threat to the US, they actually have a nuke and Krazy Kim has re-iterated time and again that they are willing to go to war.

Turkey is quite oppressive to the Kurds, but for some reason being a NATO member automatically makes them "the good guys". So basically NATO members can kill Kurds but non-members can't?

PS. instead of CNN do you want me to believe what conservatives say about themselves?

you're too funny biggrin:

Bush says the "no child left behind act" is a good idea, I read just today that my old school district did not pass the damn tests.
Not only are our averages higher than most of Kansas, but I managed to get through Calculus 1 and 2 and college level chemistry 1 and 2 in my district.
I then got a 5 on the chem AP (A credit for chem 1 and 2) and I went straight into Calc 3 in college and got an A in that.
I was by far not the only student who took college level classes at the high school (actually instructed by HS teachers, not taking class at college for HS credit) and did well in them

Looks like my district was doing allright,
and MR. "nuke-you-ler" says that the "no child left behind" works biggrin:

So how am I supposed to interpret these blatant lies?

Given the fact that the United States military was founded for the sole purpose of the pursuit of liberty and freedom, I thought that just maybe you'd be able to infer that that ideal would hold true and be generally accepted by the enlistees intelligent enough to do the same. But then that's the definition of a liberal, isn't it? They want to find something wrong with everything so they can bitch about something. Liberals are the same reason that school districts are shelling out MILLIONS of dollars in LAW SUITS propegated by liberal institutes like the ACLU because they didn't offer an appropriate selection of meat alternatives. GG.

who says I'm a liberal?
you make too many generalizations.
I also hate groups like the ACLU and the Green movement with a vengeance. I also believe that the Feds should stay the fuck out of our everyday affairs and that we should take responsibility for our own fuckups.
I am actually more social center, economic center-left

While we are on the subject of defeding freedom: what about the "patriot" act? That single document has the potential of doing more damage to our freedoms than anything ever passed in congress.
Did you know that the Feds can bascially spy on all of your activities without a warrant?

I used to respect conservatives becasue they believed in smaller Federal government which protects freedoms instead of violating them, it looks like things have changed.

I also used to be fiercly pro-war with regard to ousting Saddam, but after the "WMD" snowjob and the obvious lack of post-war reconstruction planning I have become fiercly anti-war. It takes a truly great politician to make people who were on his side become against him

hake:

[quote="Sgt Stryker":34dd2]The war against the Taliban was 100% justified,
what was the reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
phantom WMDs?
even the "Saddam is an evil dictator" reason is a better one that the official reason.

I hate Saddam as much as the next guy, but because Iraqis are being opressed doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
the US military exists to protect the security of Americans, therefore exterminating the Taliban to the last raghead was a good idea, because they posed a threat.
[/quote:34dd2]

Us interests....hm....Israel comes to mind. Right in that general area and the target of countless attacks both physical and non physical, by Sadam's regime. Also, lets think about the other big reason behind the Iraq campaign. OIL! I personally use it myself, now I don't know if you have an electric car or just ride a bike, but I do know that a lot of the US' oil comes out of that region (some from Iraq itself.) So now, instead of having to pay a "Sadam Tax on ever barrel from Iraq, we will have little or no taxes added on, since the new power will most likely be put into place by us.

Saying that we have no interests or justification in that war is the same as saying we shouldnt have helped France or England in world war 2. What exactly was Germany doing to Englan at the time on our intervention anyways? shooting missles at them and bombing them? sounds awfully familiar to the "Accidents" that Sadam ordered against Israel. Sure we know now that Germany was planning to invade England, but how do we know that sadam didnt have that same thing in mind for some of our allies in that region? We know for a fact he was building an army out of weapons that we told him he couldnt have after desert storm. His defiance of the rules we layed out was enough for me, but the other facts are strong in themselves.

Lets face it, Sadam was an asshat that deserved what he got, and in actuality, if you really want to compare death ratios, then the numbers in Iraq, had they been back in the US, would have had twice as many die in car wrecks, shootings, etc. I have a friend who has just recently returned from Iraq. He was assigned to the 101st airborne, then the marines (he's a 12bravo with the army) and he told me that most of the time he felt safer there than he does everyday at home.

I sincerely hate this running idea, that because it happens somewhere else, we shouldnt get involved. That is bullshit, and further leads to the destabilization of civilization. I wonder how many JEWS would have told British, Russian, and American troops - "look, we can handle it, just stay on your own continent".

Its nice that you are in a position where youre able to shake your finger at the "war mongerers", but better they do what you and other soft-heads seem unwilling to do, then let tyranny and genocide run rampant. Is it about oil - HELL FUCKING YEA! You really want an extremely LIMITED resource in the hands of folks who are so sure in the religious right that theyre willing to kill people for it? Yea - good fooking plan.

[quote="ED!":2f2f0]Is it about oil - HELL FUCKING YEA! You really want an extremely LIMITED resource in the hands of folks who are so sure in the religious right that theyre willing to kill people for it? .[/quote:2f2f0]

My point exactly. One of many.

[quote="ED!":9d17e]I sincerely hate this running idea, that because it happens somewhere else, we shouldnt get involved. That is bullshit, and further leads to the destabilization of civilization. I wonder how many JEWS would have told British, Russian, and American troops - "look, we can handle it, just stay on your own continent".

Its nice that you are in a position where youre able to shake your finger at the "war mongerers", but better they do what you and other soft-heads seem unwilling to do, then let tyranny and genocide run rampant. Is it about oil - HELL FUCKING YEA! You really want an extremely LIMITED resource in the hands of folks who are so sure in the religious right that theyre willing to kill people for it? Yea - good fooking plan.[/quote:9d17e]

but the point is the Bush administration gets angry at anyone who even remotely suggests that it's about oil. What kind of a Republican are you doubting the word of president Bush, shame on you. (not my rhetoric, I saw conservatives attack someone for even suggesting it was about oil on another board)
If they just outright said that oil is one of the primary reasons, I would show more support for this war, but instead they chose the WMD plan, now they cannot find any.

It AINT primarily about oil. That is an added benefit of removing a despot. Or do you REALLY believe the people are better of with Saddam in power?

[quote="Dr. Deleto":72963][quote="Sgt Stryker":72963]The war against the Taliban was 100% justified,
what was the reason Bush gave for going into Iraq?
phantom WMDs?
even the "Saddam is an evil dictator" reason is a better one that the official reason.

I hate Saddam as much as the next guy, but because Iraqis are being opressed doesn't make it right to send in US soldiers and trade US lives for Iraqi lives.
the US military exists to protect the security of Americans, therefore exterminating the Taliban to the last raghead was a good idea, because they posed a threat.
[/quote:72963]

Us interests....hm....Israel comes to mind. Right in that general area and the target of countless attacks both physical and non physical, by Sadam's regime. Also, lets think about the other big reason behind the Iraq campaign. OIL! I personally use it myself, now I don't know if you have an electric car or just ride a bike, but I do know that a lot of the US' oil comes out of that region (some from Iraq itself.) So now, instead of having to pay a "Sadam Tax on ever barrel from Iraq, we will have little or no taxes added on, since the new power will most likely be put into place by us.

Saying that we have no interests or justification in that war is the same as saying we shouldnt have helped France or England in world war 2. What exactly was Germany doing to Englan at the time on our intervention anyways? shooting missles at them and bombing them? sounds awfully familiar to the "Accidents" that Sadam ordered against Israel. Sure we know now that Germany was planning to invade England, but how do we know that sadam didnt have that same thing in mind for some of our allies in that region? We know for a fact he was building an army out of weapons that we told him he couldnt have after desert storm. His defiance of the rules we layed out was enough for me, but the other facts are strong in themselves.

Lets face it, Sadam was an asshat that deserved what he got, and in actuality, if you really want to compare death ratios, then the numbers in Iraq, had they been back in the US, would have had twice as many die in car wrecks, shootings, etc. I have a friend who has just recently returned from Iraq. He was assigned to the 101st airborne, then the marines (he's a 12bravo with the army) and he told me that most of the time he felt safer there than he does everyday at home.[/quote:72963]

I honestly believe Israel could take Iraq on their own easily.
Their air force is better trained than our own.
In the 80s when they needed to blow up an Iraqi nuclear reactor they did it with 2 F-16s flying under the radar.
The US needed a mass attack by stealth fighters (F-117) to kill Iraq's SAMs first. Also Iraq's military is such a shambles we didn't even do a preliminary bombardment like last time before the ground war.

How can you compare Germany and Iraq?
Did Saddam have a plan for Iraqi superiority over other races?
Is Iraq anywhere near the industrial powerhouse that Germany always was?
Remember that the treaty of Versailles only knocked Germany down, not out, they still had very much intact industry (mostly idle before Hitler came) and they had some of the most brilliant minds of our time (Von Braun for example). (some of whom fled the country like Einstein)

What am I supposed to think when I see a regular lab centrifuge on TV and they tell me Saddam was using THAT to build nukes. (any idiot knows you need a gas centrifuge to separate UF6 (the UF6 with U-238 is heavier))

Like I said before I would be 100% for the war if it was not for the way Bush and company made up total bullshit to try and convince us.

[quote=Noctis]Hey, don't hate me just because I happen to have an IQ in the top one percentile of the nation. I can't help that I'm smart, I just fucking hate idiots. Smart people don't fuck things up, idiots do. Usually idiots disguised as smart people. Oh, and liberals are all idealistic idiots. Thank you, come again.[/quote:0b251]

I hope you have a BMW that way your penis enlargement by way of braggery would be complete. Look at me everyone I may be a self centered asshole who uses his IQ as means to solve every question thats answered by way of my arrogance but hell I can sure get a good looking girlfriend. Being smart is just like being rich, the more money you have the more people tell you youre rich so your ego grows and soon "Look at me who the fuck needs god"

Out of the way of making fun of noctural battered-anus:

Man kind is doing its "hardest" to make sure that countries that could potentially threaten the world are not aloud to develope or maintain any Nuclear weapons programs. But ofcourse the bigger more responsible countries like USA, and Russia are allowed to develope any type of program they see fit. Do away with nukes and chem warfare as well as crazy dictators and the prospect of war will slowly minimize.

To get back on topic.

After seeing the way this thread de-evolved. I would have to change my stance, there is no hope for mankind. So for those of you that have childern I suggest explaining to them that their lifes are worthless, what is important is the profit that can be made today at their expense. If they happen make to aldulthood, all they have to look foward to is an environmently wasted planet, and an insurmountable debt brought to them by my generation. But what the hell. they deserve it, after all we are making the world safe from terrorism by giving the rest of the world all the more reasons to hate us. We break or ignore treaty after treaty, we do everything we can to dismantle or get around environmental laws. We have religons that are doing nothing to make it a better world, but instead causing more hate in the world, acting like childern "MY RELIGON IS BETTER THAN YOURS, YOU HEATHEN, SO DIE".
Too easily we justify the killing of the innocent and not so innocent people,
The sacntity of human life has little or no meaning......

THERE IS NO HOPE!!!!!

I think I'll go buy a Humvee.

[quote="Low spark":2a024]"MY RELIGON IS BETTER THAN YOURS, YOU HEATHEN, SO DIE". [/quote:2a024]

Primary reason wars, and such have been started since pretty much the formation of civilization