Other life in space?
 

another pointless poll/disscussion thread.

i personally believe there is other life up there. because theres alot of shit floating around up there

YES. I think there is but only in bacteria form or something similar to that.

I'm not a nut or anything, but I do beleive ther is life out there ed:

yes and someday we're gonna kill them all.

The Drake Equation was developed by Frank Drake in 1961 as a way to focus on the factors which determine how many intelligent, communicating civilizations there are in our galaxy. The Drake Equation is:

N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL
The equation can really be looked at as a number of questions:

N* represents the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy
Question: How many stars are in the Milky Way Galaxy?
Answer: Current estimates are around 200 billion.

fp is the fraction of stars that have planets around them
Question: What percentage of stars have planetary systems?
Answer: Thanks to advances in technology, new planets are being discovered every month. Within a few years we may have a reasonably accurate estimate. For now we'll say 20% (a standard estimate given my many including Frank Drake).

ne is the number of planets per star that are capable of sustaining life
Question: For each star that does have a planetary system, how many planets are capable of sustaining life?
Answer: If you base it on our solar system you might say 3 planets could possibly support life - Venus, Earth, and Mars. There is also the chance that one or more of Jupiter's moons could support life. If our system is typical the answer may be between 3 and 5.

fl is the fraction of planets in ne where life evolves
Question: On what percentage of the planets that are capable of sustaining life does life actually evolve?
Answer: Current guesses range from 100% (where life can evolve it will) down to close to 0%.

fi is the fraction of fl where intelligent life evolves
Question: On the planets where life does evolve, what percentage evolves intelligent life?
Answer: Guesses range from 100% (intelligence is such a survival advantage that it will certainly evolve) down to near 0%.

fc is the fraction of fi that communicate
Question: What percentage of intelligent races have the means and the desire to communicate?
Answer: Who knows? Let's guess 10% to 20%

fL is fraction of the planet's life during which the communicating civilizations live
Question: For each civilization that does communicate, for what fraction of the planet's life does the civilization survive?
Answer: This is the toughest of the questions. If we take Earth as an example, the expected lifetime of our Sun and the Earth is roughly 10 billion years. So far we've been communicating with radio waves for less than 100 years. How long will our civilization survive? Will we destroy ourselves in a few years like some predict or will we overcome our problems and survive for millennia? If we were destroyed tomorrow the answer to this question would be 1/100,000,000th. If we survive for another 10,000 years the answer will be 1/1,000,000th.

When all of these variables are multiplied together we come up with:
N the number of communicating civilizations in the galaxy.


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The real value of the Drake Equation is not in the answer itself, but the questions that are prompted when attempting to come up with an answer. Obviously there is a tremendous amount of guess work involved when filling in the variables. As we learn more from astronomy, biology, and other sciences, we'll be able to better estimate the answers to the above questions. Many of these questions will be addressed in depth in future issues of Enigma.

NOTE: Drake's original equation actually used the terms R in place of N* and L in place of fL where R stood for the rate of star creation in the galaxy (i.e.: how many new stars are created each year) and L stood for the length of the time a given communicating civilization survives (in years). In general you will get the same answer using either set of terms, however I feel the terms used on this page make the equation more understandable.

why wouldn't there be other life out there?

Like Ninety said there's about 200 billion stars, there's a good chance there are inhabitable planets out there.

ONly a rabid creationist can deny logic and say that Earth is a unique inhabitable world.

There is obviously life on other planets, of some sort at least. if not intelligent perhaps small particles of bacteria like hosp said.

my theory on this is, go outside one clear night. Look up and just think 'Each star represents a sun, which represents solar system which has many planets in them.' To say there is no life on other planets is absurd.

The universe is just to big for us to think that we are the only life.

that would be a pretty big waste of space if we were the only centient things in it.

exactly

what about crop circles?

half of me says they can be real. then the other half is in completely denial
and i shake at the thought of them actually being real. about a week ago i watched this 2 hour documentry on cropcircles, followed by the move signs. i was scared shitless that night. infact i slept with a glass of water and a baseball bat...






well maybe not... but i still am a bit shaky

i welcome them with my machete

that signs was a pretty good movie...but one thing wheres their gun? why not use a knife?

i thought earth was one big reality show

we will discover other lifeforms and eventually we will end up fighting them
gg humannaturestein

Of course there is.

It is quite arrogant of humans to assume that we are the only so-called
intelligent form of life in the Universe. Understand that it is quite unfair
to assume that no others exist simply because we are unable to confirm
their presence...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Heh. People are so willing to believe that there are other life forms out there, with no evidence at all (based on this extremely scientific poll :) ). And yet some of the very same people completely reject the idea of God. It makes you think...

A creational entity isn't as far fetched as some would have you believe.
I take you back to the final sentence of my previous post...

If the documentary series Lost in Space is anything to go by, quite a few
of the other palnets are already known to be populated...apparently.

i wouldnt say yes, when they went to the moon and took some rock samples, they found little small small un seeable worms

the "rabid creationists" are the ones who take the story of Genesis word for word (Earth is only planet with life, universe created in 7 EARTH DAYS, etc.)

I don't argue that there isn't some higher being that set the universe into motion (like what caused the Big Bang), but I dismiss the 7 days thing.

im not really sure because is there really another planet with odds like earths? the only reason theres civilization on earth is because we are in the perfect position from the sun and the other planets in our solar system. even if there is we wont be around long enough to find out.

Yes, that is exactly my point.

theres almost an infinite amount of other galaxies in space, and each one of them has a few billion stars, so its almost certain that there is some life somewhere else. i think our solar system was made from the left-overs of a supernova a few billion years ago, so our solar system is new compared to some, so life somewhere else might be millions or billions of years ahead of us. but theres not much chance of us ever seeing them or even proving they exist, the nearest solar system is a few thousand light years away (or maybe million, i cant remember anything i learned in physics anymore)
the first crop-circles were fakes anyway. they were made by a pair of students ir farmers in the middle of the night. it was on a program here a few months ago

[quote="Sgt Stryker":f2849]the "rabid creationists" are the ones who take the story of Genesis word for word (Earth is only planet with life, universe created in 7 EARTH DAYS, etc.)

I don't argue that there isn't some higher being that set the universe into motion (like what caused the Big Bang), but I dismiss the 7 days thing.[/quote:f2849]

I'm not religious in the least, but I do know the bible. I remember a line in the bible where it was speaking of god's time. It stated that a day to god was as if 1000 years to man. Now in the creation scene, it never says whether those days he used to create earth and heavens, were his days, or earth days. So the story could very well explain itself in some manner. I saw a discovery channel special about the big bang theory. It stated that the time from the bang to the solidifying of earth would have been a little over 6 thousand years (Taking into account the expansion time of the planet to its current position, and the slow of rotation). and primitive life would have sprang up within one thousand more. So if you think about it, maybe both theories are right.

Of course I am more like you and lean towards the scientific aproach as more believable.

[quote="Coublacka_":b577b]im not really sure because is there really another planet with odds like earths? the only reason theres civilization on earth is because we are in the perfect position from the sun and the other planets in our solar system. even if there is we wont be around long enough to find out.[/quote:b577b]

A planet doesn;t have to be ectaxly like ours to harbour life. Lifeforms can breathe nitrogen ot some other form of gas other than oxygen. they could drink pure hydrogen and live in extremly cold climates. Organiss adapt to their surroundings. life can survive at th very depths of the sea where there is no light no warmth no oxygen, and your telling me this can't happen elsewhere?

Other life does not have to be like us. Other life can be very different and still be intelligent. They could have no means of mobility on their planet, but peraps they don't need it. Perhaps all they need is to beable to commintuncarte telepathically and survive off the resources in which they sit upon. No one knows, but to say that a planet has to be a certain place is proposterous. There is water on Mars, there are gasses on numerous other planets. Prove to me that life once didn't exist there. Prove to me that lifeforms can not life off gasses etc. Prove it.