Space war with China?
 

I think its kind of lame. Now that the Chinese are getting involved in space exploration, the US is finally getting serious about going to the moon again. What the hell took so long anyway? I thought we would have flying cars by now.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/12/0 ... index.html

how many topics you gonna make tonight oOo:

i am bored right now and i want to spark some interest in non flaming topics for a couple of days.

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the US never set foot on the moon, and the china mission will prove it

Yes! Also Bruce lee is still alive and works undercover for the Chinese Secret Service.

If china does make it it could prove very interesting

[quote="Sergeant_Scrotum":2bb9b]If china does make it it could prove very interesting[/quote:2bb9b]

Why wouldn't they ? Their ressources are nearly as good (if not the same or
better) as those of the US. Russians r0x0r your b0x0rz too...

I for one am delighted that they are going. It is about time we as human beings started working towards whats important again , and stop the wars.

Hopefully this will spark a worldwide ambition for the stars. All we have to do is forget about which GOD is better for awile.





hmmmm.......doubtful.

This is fucking gay. I think Bush is delerious.

Everyone knew China had been working on their own Space program for quite a long time. I think its great that they put a man into space under their own power. They said that their next step is the moon. Which seems logical, but they said it would take them until 2020 I believe to get everything ready to go there. Why the fuck does the States need to go there again? To prove a point? You've already been there. There are more important things that need to be done in space than showing up the Chinese. How about the billions of dollars put into a half finished International Space Station? Is that thing going to be in orbit for another 50 years only partially complete? What about instead of sending a man to the Moon again, end someone to Mars. Its quite conceivable.

And maybe Bush should have NASA running trips to the ISS again even before he says hes thinking of going to the moon.

What are they going to use to get there? I think they still have 2 Staurn5 rockets they could use on display ouside of Kennedy Space Centre. Bwhaha. Anyway, you'll need a new LEM to land on the moon. So first you have to build it and put it into orbit, then take the shuttle up there, somehow attach it to the shuttle, slingshot to the moon, get in the LEM, land on the moon for a game of golf, get in the LEM, go back to the shuttle and come home. Wheres the point in that? Seems like a BIG waste of money to me. The Apollo program was useful. It had a point. This doesn't. I think Bush is on glue or something. Good thing is he'll be out of office by the time this thing goes through if it does, and hopefully the next president will beable to put these resources toward something else.

[quote:00e93]"You've got the Chinese saying they're interested -- we don't want them to beat us to the moon. We want to be there to develop the sweet spots," Republican Senator Sam Brownback says.[/quote:00e93]

This aggrivates me more than anything.

Calm down Ninty ,

You will always have poeple of that mindframe in Washington. Part of the price one must pay for Democracy.

NASA has been working on a maned mission to Mars for quite some time now.
I've heard about settlement ideas for the moon before too.

I have also seen some things on probes to Jupiters moons. Similar to the rover.


All these things are in the works but NASA has taken some heat latley , and Americans have been focused on Iraq and anti terrorism fights.
Hopefully others will join in the "race" and we can leave this fighting each other crap to Ledgend and history.

We are too far along as a race to still fight wars. Just my opinion of corse.

In my own little world Id like everyone ot get along and send me to be the first person on a different planet. but hey that wont happen. fucking middle east

I'm calm.

I don't think NASA has plans of any sort for a manned mission to Mars.

I also don't know how the states really plans to fund any of this. A mission to the moon will cost billions. I just don't think there is any need for it. I do think there is a need for the Chinese to go there, however. It is the first logical step in progression to other planets. I don't see why now that the Chinese want to go there, the US says that well were going to race you there because basically the moon belongs to us. I think the US should spend its limited resources elsewhere.

I quit coming to this site because just about every thread turns into a dismantaling of the United States..which is oddly annoying because I hear it all the fucking time in the art school I go too.


Anyways, I love space. I've had a love for space since I was born. I was named after Alan Shepard, the first person to hit a golf ball off the Moon..haha. This should be great.

I'm not dismantling the US. I said the US should put their resorces to other things. Not the moon since you've been there already. What the fuck is the problem?

Dismantaling as in manifesting a need to always take the negative things with something and show them to everyone. Be more happy. oOo:

This is a discussion board right? Cause if its not what the hell am I doing here?

I thought the point of posting threads was to generate discussion. My views are not negative, they are an opinion. Whether they be negative, positive, blue, green or as tall as a tree, it makes no difference.

I don't think the US needs to go back to the Moon. I think that Bush needs to jump on everything as if hes got something to prove. I don't think he needs to prove anything. I think NASA is smart enough to one day put someone on Mars, and I think that is what they should be gunning for after we complete the ISS. I don't see putting a half finished space station aside and chasing the Chinese around a logical step in Space exploration and research for the States.

Settle down. I'm saying why I left, not why you should change your whole outlook on life.

Yes this is a discussion board, and discuss whatever you want.

I'm not mad at you, nor am I mad at anyone.

I couldn't take the heat, so I got out of the kitchen. rolleyes:

They should have been doing this the whole time, not waiting for competition. Thats how this country is run nowadays. We wont imporve on things unless its threatened. China's step towards space is good for everyone. the more people invest in these kinds of programs, more better knowledge and technology will be available to us in the future. fuck mars, man, it will take a ship a year to get there or so. we should make more trips to the moon, look for ice, have offroad rallys on there with space walkers, and build more efficient shuttles.

Thats why investment in new space shuttles are needed. The current space shuttles are so inefficient its not even funny. Burning fuel to escape earths gravity is a 20th century idea. Traveling at 6 miles per second isn't fast enough. We currently have technologies to make things more efficient and travel at 5,000 miles per second, which is 3% the speed of light. We can do this right now using Nuclear Fission. It is possible to get these Atomic Rockets up to 12% the speed of light. That is fast enough to travle to Alpha Centauri in 46 years. Currently it would take the Space Shuttle 120,000 years at its top speed. Going to Mars on one of these babies would be a snap.

Antimatter, Nuclear Fusion, Laser Sails, and Fusion Ramjets are all other posibilities, but the technologies have not yet been developed.

Welcome to the world where request rules the developement..

[quote="{TRC}ZenMaster":11367]I've heard about settlement ideas for the moon before too.
[/quote:11367]
Earth is in turmoil, conflict breaking out all over, the environment degraded constantly,
refugees spilling across borders, cities full of homeless, the gap between haves and have-nots
ever widening, unemployment, unaffordable health care....how can we stem this tide of despair..??

...I know!, MOON SETTLEMENTS!!

it's just so damn practical I can't believe I didn't think of it before, c'mon everyone
...put a fish bowl on your head and attach a really large firework sky-rocket to your back...were goin' home!! eek:

The only thing you have to worry about is escaping the earths gravity. Once that is done, you can travel as fast as you can go. It makes no difference.

[quote="The Gay Blade!":9307a]Not true. Whatever youre traveling in would transfer its inertia to you, and youd be pressed against your seat or flung to the other side of the cabin and turned into goo. Inertia has nothing to do with where you are, and everything to do with mass.[/quote:9307a]

If there is no gravity to pull you down into your seat, then how would that be a problem?
I get what youre trying to say here, but i dont think that would be an issue..

too bad you cant vote for the man to take his place. happy:

[quote:ae8e3]If there is no gravity to pull you down into your seat, then how would that be a problem?
I get what youre trying to say here, but i dont think that would be an issue..[/quote:ae8e3]

If there were no gravity, man wouldnt be able to survive long in space. But if that werent an issue, lets look at it this way -

Youre in a ship, no gravity, so your just floating there. What happens when your ship starts moving. You wouldnt remain stationary, and with no gravity and force pushing on you (which means you'd be wearing a gas mask to provide oxygen, assuming your in a vacuumed spaceship), then you would be pressed against the back of the ship. Now you have a force against against you and after that, only a matter of time.

[quote:2c718]What happens when your ship starts moving. You wouldnt remain stationary[/quote:2c718]

Ever heard of a nice little invention called "Seatbelt"?

But yeah, you could be right aswell..
Im no genious when it comes to physics..

^^The fairy dressed as zorro is right.

A couple more observations:

* NASA has had a manned mission ot mars planned for years.

* There will be no moon settlements for a very long time. Definately not in our lifetime.

* Atomic rockets would never, ever, ever, ever be allowed to be launched - environmental disaster waiting to happen.

* I think it would be cool to go back to the moon. If for nothing else, to shut up the conspiracy theorists.

* I too, am getting weary of how everyting turns anti-US. Even in threads where canadians rag on france, it turns anti US. And for the record, the americans here handle the negative posts better than any other nationality here, with the possible exceptions of the Brits and Aussies.

Well, you do realise that when your in space "floating" you're going 17,000 miles an hour in orbit? I don't see anyone on the ISS being pushed against walls or having to wear seatbelts. I'm telling you its not an issue.

The reason you seem to experience gravity in space is because there is extremely little gravitational pull being exerted on your body because you are far enough away from any planet not be pulled in or attracted to it. Therefore no matter what speed you travel at, inertia does not matter.

Atomic rockets could be used, however a large amount of radiation shielding would be required. The rockets would not use Uranim or Plutonium because it would requre too much of the material and wuldn't be feasible. Instead we would use Americium which would have to be processed since it isn't natural, but would require a much less amount of.

Has this thread turned into anti-US? I don't think so. If I ahve offended any Americans, I am sorry. I think I can still disagree with things the US does and not be anti-US. I don't agree with Bush wanting to go to the moon, and I expressed that. I don't think thats anti-US. I may have been a little abrupt in the way I went about it, and for that I also apologise, but I still stand by what I said. I am not anti-anything.

Simos right , inercia has something to do with it. Artificial Gravity is made that way , I think MIR even used it. Not sure on that one though.

They have been planning the exploration and manned landings on Mars for at least a decade. Hell thats why they sent the rover.
The problem they were having before (outside of funding of corse) was it takes 3 years to get there. No one has ever been in space for that long , you figure anouther 3 to get back and you are talking about the very likley possibillity of severe illness or death from those who go.

Now like you said , they are developing beter and faster ways to get there. That should make the project work much better. Hopefully those propoltion systems will be used in the next 20 years.

that would be great

Hold the phone. I thin I made somewhat of a mistake.

Inertia would be present in the acceleration stage. However, once at a crusing speed inertia would no longer be a threat. (Duh, on my part. That is the definition of Inertia oOo: )

Therefore, a gradual speed up would be required to the maximun speed of the ship, and once there a gradual slow down would also be required.

We have the same problem on earth. If they wanted to build a train that uses a vacuum to propel the train, a gradual speed up and slow down would be required. However at the trains crusing speed, everything would be OK. Now to factor in or out gravity, i'm not sure of the effects. You might have to ask Einstein about that, but I think he had trouble relating the universe to inertia.

I'll have to get onto that once I finish with relativity.

^^Yep ninty, i was going to say that, you beat me to it. Its not the speed, its the acelleration and deceleration that get create g-forces greater than mans body can survive. The internal organs cant handle it, even strapped into a seat. Off the top of my head the limit is something like 15-20 g's??

edit - There is no reason you cant travel at obscene speeds if you get there gradually.

The whole train in a vacuum thing held the point that in order to achieve top speed, it would have to gradually speed up using different sections of the tunnel that are closed off to the vacuum to gain speed, then once at the right speed, entered into the vacuum and achieving its top speed.

And i'm not going to argue over the definition of inertia, because you just stated it and there would be no point to that.

Yes the shuttle when in orbit is affected by gravity. Thats what keeps it in orbit. If there was no gravity, there would be no orbit. However the further away you go, the less gravity. If someone stands on a mountain and someone at sea level, the weight of the person at the mountain will be less.

Anyway bottom line is I think its very possible to travel to mars alpha centauri or other stars at or near the speed of light.