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SoLiDUS 01-14-2004 12:29 AM

Survival decision: choice-making and your responsibility
 
You are leading 100 people in a survivalist situation, when suddenly your
lives are in danger and you must choose between two courses of action.

One would cause ten of the people to die and everyone else would live; the
other would have a 70% chance of saving everyone but were it to fail, then
everyone would die.

Which would you choose and why ? Explain your choice.

Fireal 01-14-2004 12:32 AM

Run for it.
I wouldnt let 10 people die, as a sacrifice. I would go for it. Either we would make it, or die... Together.

ninty 01-14-2004 12:37 AM

This is quite interesting. If I knew that the 10 people would die, I don't think I could sacrifice those people. I would want everyone to live, therefore, I would try to get everyone out of the situation, not require 10 to give their lives.

Short Hand 01-14-2004 12:39 AM

logic. Let the 10 die.

Pvt.Pinhead 01-14-2004 12:39 AM

Thats a very hard question, I cant answer it exactly. I know I myself would die to save the lifes of 69, but I would not be able to force 9 others to die...yet I would hate to take the chance of losing all the ppl...what I would do is make a vote and let the rest of the team decide what they would want to do, unless there were 9 other guys like me who would willing come up and die for the lifes of others, then I would go with (A), but unless there were those 9 others Id let the group decide, since I do not have the right to chose who dies and who lives.

F|4m3s Ru|3 01-14-2004 12:41 AM

If the 10 deaths assures that the remaining 90 people will survive then I think it is worth it. If there are families on this 'trek' I'm sure that some fathers or grandparents would willingly sacrafice themselves for the sake of their children. If nobody volunteered I'd choose the 10 ugliest people and send them on their way.

SoLiDUS 01-14-2004 12:47 AM

Let me make this clear.

YOU are leading 100 people. This adds up to 101 humans. Choice #1 says
10 of those will die so that 91 can live: this is guaranteed. The second is a
game of chance:

70% chances are that all 101 humans will live,
30% chances are that all 101 humans will DIE.

In other words, #2 is a gamble. You must decide whether or not you wish to
take that chance. Now that this is cleared up, please go on...

Tripper 01-14-2004 12:56 AM

I'd go with no.2, If I knew everyone on the trek well.....Otherwise, I'd choose ten people die.

Cpt. Obvious 01-14-2004 12:59 AM

I think i would go with the gamble, im sure everyone on the trek would agree to try and have everyone live then selecting ten people to go to there deaths

Slaggg 01-14-2004 01:00 AM

Only a 30 percent chance that all will die? Not bad odds really. I'd take that gamble. Better to fight to live than doom others to certain death when all may still die.

Madmartagen 01-14-2004 01:07 AM

I'm more of a risk taker, I would take the chance that everyone might live. Who am I to decide who can die and who doesn't? I couldn't make that choice. Its all or nothing.

SoLiDUS 01-14-2004 01:09 AM

I've decided to calculate the exact odds for everyone:

Choice #1 - You have 9.9009% chances of dying.

Choice #2 - You have 30.0000% chances of dying.

Are you still sure about your choice ? ;-)

I wouldn't sacrifice everyone: mine is #1 for obvious reasons. Reason will
force you towards the choice that increases the likelyhood of prolongation
of your existence... that is, unless you value your life the same or lesser
than that of those 100 strangers you are leading.

Slight edit:

If this isn't enough, let's up the ante a bit. Suppose everything remains
the same except for the fact that you are now leading 1000 people, not
100: will you still refuse to sacrifice 10 in the hopes that 1001 will live ?
How about 10000 ? 100000 ? A million ? Are you still so sure about your
choice ? ;-)

ninty 01-14-2004 01:12 AM

Yeah, its simple if you can forget about everyone else, and just think about yourself. But I can't do that. I'm not going to say "fuck you all, i'm saving my own life". I couldn't do that.

Fireal 01-14-2004 01:13 AM

That stuff will fuck with you later on though.

Fireal 01-14-2004 01:19 AM

On the edit:
Yes I am sure. That is no different than murder, in my mind.
It can be the entire population of the world. Im not going to sacrifice anyone

EatMyFook 01-14-2004 01:21 AM

Choice one:
The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

01-14-2004 01:24 AM

I'd put up the ten to meet their maker.

"One dead is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic."

cameltoe 01-14-2004 03:47 AM

i too would sacrifice the 10, but how are the 10 who die determined? is it just luck or do i, the leader, choose?

Stinger_Dude 01-14-2004 03:56 AM

I'll make the 10 die so the rest of us lives. I'll divide the people into 10 groups consisting of 10 people and do short sticks.
The person who draws out the short stick will have someone say to him in an umpire style "UUUUURRRR OUT!!!!!....."

SoLiDUS 01-14-2004 09:18 AM

If you choose #1, everyone has ~9.9% chances of being "chosen". It's luck
or a lack of ... biggrin:

Pyro 01-14-2004 09:58 AM

Depends on the people i'm with...

Take a sure thing over a risk...

01-14-2004 11:20 AM

My motto is "no one get's left behind", besides 7-3 are good odds, better than we had at Midway.

Poseidon 01-14-2004 11:40 AM

i couldnt make the choice of the 10 ppl to die...

so i'd probably take the risk.

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 01-14-2004 12:15 PM

If it were below 50% I would consider it, but 70% is worth a shot, long as we get to die in style...

Proteus 01-14-2004 12:38 PM

Yeah this is tough. If I knew and were friends with the 100 people, then I probalbly would take the chance for everyone to live.

pest 01-14-2004 01:37 PM

Statistically, ten dead is a better option. If the situation played itself out 10 times, then the 70/30 situation would lead to three times (roughly) more casualties - 100 dead vs 303.

Personally, 70/30 odds are good enough for me and I would chance it.

descry 01-14-2004 01:43 PM

let the ten die

01-14-2004 03:33 PM

Well, depending on the circumstances, I would let the ten die.

Miscguy 01-14-2004 04:42 PM

Only if i get to choose the ten.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

Himmler 01-14-2004 05:19 PM

id go with nuimber 2, since we all could live. if you did number one, for the rest of your life you would regret it and wonder what if i took number 2 and we all lived....?

Old Reliable 01-14-2004 06:16 PM

depends on how the 10 are chosen freak:

Unknown_Sniper 01-14-2004 08:02 PM

Dear ma'am, Iam writing to you tonight to appologise for your husbands death. He gave his life for 10 people and in doing so we are grateful for his sacrafice.(x10)
yes to save 90 people I would let 10 die. I would not take a 30% chance that everyone would die just because I dont have the nerve to let 10 people die.

guarnere 01-14-2004 08:03 PM

Arent you the godly type wink:

Im always taking chances...so...id take mine

Unknown_Sniper 01-14-2004 08:05 PM

I take chances with my life. not others.


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