Affirmative Action...
 

For, or against? And please explain.

I for one am against it. I find it racist.
People arent getting the same treatment, because their skin.

Against.

Since Affirmative action is also racist, the other way without affirmative action, it's even worse for minorities. What's the other option? minority only schools? come on..

Schools where they accept the best students.
Ones with the best GPA's, and SAT scores. Race shold have nothing to do with ANYTHING

[quote="Animal Mother":c1cde]Schools where they accept the best students.
Ones with the best GPA's, and SAT scores. Race shold have nothing to do with ANYTHING[/quote:c1cde]

You're only touching the surface here. This debate is alot deeper than just: "racist or not racist."

Please explain this "Affimative Action".

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":47d2f]Please explain this "Affimative Action".[/quote:47d2f]

Its kinda like a racial quota for the workplace. Like say you have 10 emplyees. AA would have u make sure atleast one was black or latino or etc.

EDIT I forgot to say what I think.

I don't like it. Seems kinda stupid and oxymoronic.

What Is Affirmative Action?

Born of the civil rights movement three decades ago, affirmative action calls for minorities and women to be given special consideration in employment, education and contracting decisions.

Institutions with affirmative action policies generally set goals and timetables for increased diversity – and use recruitment, set-asides and preference as ways of achieving those goals.

In its modern form, affirmative action can call for an admissions officer faced with two similarly qualified applicants to choose the minority over the white, or for a manager to recruit and hire a qualified woman for a job instead of a man. Affirmative action decisions are generally not supposed to be based on quotas, nor are they supposed to give any preference to unqualified candidates. And they are not supposed to harm anyone through "reverse discrimination."

Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.

[quote="[muted]strvs":1283e]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:1283e]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.

[quote="Old Reliable":379e7][quote="[muted]strvs":379e7]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:379e7]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.[/quote:379e7]

And if preferences were truly meant to remedy disadvantage, they would be given on the basis of disadvantage, not on the basis of race.

And to think this shit has been around for over 25 years. rolleyes:

Disadvantages go hand in hand with race in some cases. Politicians like to lump it all together. Many poor school districts are home to minorities, so therefore it is perceived as a low oopportunity for them to get into the school of choice due to their upbringing.

True, its almost hard for me to take a side. But it does seem like a rash solution to a much bigger problem.

[quote="Old Reliable":dce57]Disadvantages go hand in hand with race in some cases. Politicians like to lump it all together. Many poor school districts are home to minorities, so therefore it is perceived as a low oopportunity for them to get into the school of choice due to their upbringing.[/quote:dce57]

Exactly thats why I myself don't understand AA because for christs sakes AA doesn't care whether you came from Harlem or Harvard. It just cares if you're a minority and fit the bill.

[quote="Old Reliable":5e3bb][quote="[muted]strvs":5e3bb]Thats stupid, the quality of a person shouldnt be judged by their gender or race. its just turning everything around, useless.[/quote:5e3bb]

TECHNICALLY, it shouldn't. However, whites continue to discriminate against miniorities and give preference to other whites, and vice versa for other races. To me, this is just a temporary fix to a permanent problem.[/quote:5e3bb]

one of the biggest places affirmative action shows up is in education. most colleges and universities are for affirmative action (at least in the u.s.) for one reason or another; and race is not a required field to fill in, but if you do mark that you're a minority you have a much better chance of getting accepted. because you don't have to give race, the "whites" could not discriminate against the minorites cause they'd have no idea what the race of the applicant. Thus affirmative action in the college environment is absurd...

oh wait i forgot... it's to make up for the discrimation the minorities got in previous education which prevented them from being good enough to make it into college, right?

It's interesting proposal to remove race as criteria for applying for college, but this is one less piece of information the government and schools are without for statistics...because that's all you are, a statstic, right?

[quote="Old Reliable":10b5d]What Is Affirmative Action?

Born of the civil rights movement three decades ago, affirmative action calls for minorities and women to be given special consideration in employment, education and contracting decisions.

Institutions with affirmative action policies generally set goals and timetables for increased diversity – and use recruitment, set-asides and preference as ways of achieving those goals.

In its modern form, affirmative action can call for an admissions officer faced with two similarly qualified applicants to choose the minority over the white, or for a manager to recruit and hire a qualified woman for a job instead of a man. Affirmative action decisions are generally not supposed to be based on quotas, nor are they supposed to give any preference to unqualified candidates. And they are not supposed to harm anyone through "reverse discrimination."[/quote:10b5d]

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Against.

Affirmative Action is a bunch of bullshit.

i wish that affirmative action never existed, the whole ideal never existed. its all bullshit from either side. no one needs help. ppl who cant get a job just cant get a job. its all a real touchy subject....

The past shouldn't matter. My Parents, ancestors ALL the way back didn';t do anything to blacks or other minorities.

What, should I ask Germany for reperations for taking us over during WWII?

true. my ancestors came from ireland a hundred years back. we had nothing to do with slavery. if anyone should be paying reparations for slavery, it should be the dutch. the usa got all there slaves from dutch slavetraders, they were the ones who captured them and sold them to america.

[quote="Cpt. Zapotoski":a2a7c]Against.

Affirmative Action is a bunch of bullshit.[/quote:a2a7c]


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Mr. Picky

Well, I for one believe in it. If you don't like it, try and beat out your opponent, and if you don't get in because of your race.... sue biggrin:

lol fuck you old reliable. biggrin:

I've seen a person not of color who had the HIGHEST honors and then some scumbag "colored" with nothing to offer get hired because he was a minority. THAT'S bullshit, you should get hired on what you have to offer, not because you are colored.

I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.

against they should be hired due to skill not race

Afirmitive action is a load of garbage. How can people support, like blacks for example. They complain about whites treating them unfair, now they want to be treated better. I know most blacks are not like this, but the ones with the biggest voices are.

[quote="Old Reliable":0a768]It's interesting proposal to remove race as criteria for applying for college, but this is one less piece of information the government and schools are without for statistics...because that's all you are, a statstic, right?[/quote:0a768]

it isn't a requirement now... it's an optional field which hurts you to not fill in and helps you if you're a minority and fill it in. am i only a statistic? i suppose the president of the university should keep track of all 26000 students. My advisor and professors know me by name (for the most part). So what, are you against using computers and organised systems to keep track of people? You make outragious statements oldie.... you must be going senial. biggrin:

I like the way people blame affirmative action when they get rejected for a job or a scholarship when they probably have no evidence that says thats the reason. rolleyes:

I agree there. But there is also people who have better SAT scores, and a better GPA throughout highschool, getting turned down.

[quote="Infernal_":928f9]against they should be hired due to skill not race[/quote:928f9]
Precisely. This "Affirmative Action" seems like political correctness taken to the furthest degree. Logically, you should employ the person best suited to the job, regardless of the variables, such as race. Infact, as long as fucking illogical rules like this exist, Race will always be an issue. The sooner any rules pertaining specifically to race are abolished, the better, In my opinion.

[quote="Airborne Butters":86cd3]I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.[/quote:86cd3]

your school sucks then

[quote="Old Reliable":23fa5][quote="Airborne Butters":23fa5]I'm personally against it due to the fact that my freind who got Valedictorian for our class couldn't get a scholarship to UCLA because of it.[/quote:23fa5]

your school sucks then[/quote:23fa5]
you're ignorant

do you know these people? or are you just saying some random crap because you think some people may have no proof and blame affirmitave action? my roommate this year got rejected from uva and some black girl got in... he had higher SAT scores (1460) better gpa and was in more clubs.... so he called and they sent him his point mark up.... he got 0 points for race (he would have gotten 25 if he was black) and only 12 for his SAT score.... being black was twice as good as having good sat scores.... schools can send you how the evaluate applicants.... do some research

There was a reason that I said probably, so uva gave your roommate the black girl's sat scores, gpa and what clubs she was in? or are you just assuming that she was less qualified because she was black?

My point was that people are using it as a scapegoat for their personal problems when most of the time they are only assuming thats the reason they were turned down. While obviously some places take affirmative action too far and some places misuse it, it's still partially necessary. Believe it or not some people would still refuse to hire someone just because they are a minority or a woman. hell some of the people that posted in this thread seem to be borderline racists, but I wont name anyone. rolleyes:

Strongly against. And this is coming from someone who goes to a school with 4 black kids in it and maybe like 5 hispanics. everyone else is white. The school I want to go to up near canada isnt that racially mixed but I dont care. I stull believe AA is reverse racism. it should go away.

no... my roommate knew the black girl and was friends with her, so he already knew her grades and clubs and whatnot... and all i'm saying is you are assuming people use it as a scapegoat just as much as people may assume affirmative action is at fault. i agree it is ad that some places are still sexist and/or racist, much like some of the aa members seem to be

Ok, though it is interesting that you said "some black girl" rather than "a black girl my friend knows."

And if you think about it, someone personally knowing the person that was hired/accepted because of affirmative action is much rarer than someone assuming they weren't accepted because of it. Or maybe i'm annoyed with the people that assumed that I got accepted to UM because I was black rather than my high gpa or my high sat score

And why does everyone always bring up reparations at these topics? That has nothing to do with this at all.

Then please explain what affirmative action is all about, Chango.

yeah, i should have made that more clear in my initial post... and i know it is rare, but i'm just saying that whenever someone gets accepted due to affirmative action, someone else gets rejected because of it. and i agree, it has very little to do with reperations.