Upgrading RAM - PC3200
 

Alright, I have 1.2 gigs of RAM in my computer right now. It consists of 2 sticks of 2100 (256 + 512MB) and a stick of 512 2700. I want to upgrade and buy 2 sticks of 3200 512. My dad says it wont make a big difference but I dont know and I wanted to ask you guys what you think. Is it worth the money to upgrade?

hell no,, your PC is fucking fast enough.

bus speed determined by lowest common denominator

lmao =( why u say that? biggrin:

EDIT:
what the hell does that mean?

it means that no matter what, the slowest memory in your system will determine the speed for the rest of your memory

how in fuck are you currently mixing 2 diffrent type of ram speeds ?. It is impossible / Unstable. upgrade to 400mhz bus speed ram. corsair, oz , kingston, samsung even. high speed ram should not be cheap name brands. + how are you currently mixing 2 types ?

are you sure, ive never heard of that oOo:

Yep...in chemistry it's called the "Rate Determining Step".

You got a line of cars, all Ferraris except for the Yugo at the front of the line. The Yugo is puttering along at 10mph, forcing the Ferraris to go 10mph too.

it is true.

umm you shouldnt be mixing ram anyways. just buy the 2 sticks.

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":24949]it is true.[/quote:24949]

damn. ok well say i just use the 2 sticks of 3200 or get 3 sticks of it...is it worth the money you guys think?

just get 2.

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":d30fc]just get 2.[/quote:d30fc]

If i did that, would i get an increase in performance good enough that i can notice it alot than if i just kept the ram i have now?

tell your self this. "It's not how much the money is worth, it's how much the money is worth to you."

is the board dual channel?

yes its dual channel. is the asus a7n8x deluxe

just get 2 then. what is the spec of your entire pc.

CPU: AMD Athlon 2800+ (water cooled by Koolance Exos)
Motherboard: Asus A7N8X Delluxe
Video Card: Radeon9800 Pro 256 (water cooled by Koolance Exos)
Monitor: Envision 19" LCD
Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
RAM: 1.2 Gigs of DDR (512 + 256)2100 and (512)2700
Primary Hard Drive: 120 Gig 7200
Secondary Hard Drive: 80 Gig 7200
Primary CD-ROM: 16X DVD-ROM
Case: Bluye case with window and lights

personally i do not think you will see a huge difference in performance. only a moderate improvement.

nice setup you got there.

make sure you put the new RAM in the correct slots for dual channel, sometimes the banks are split for dual channel

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":b147a]personally i do not think you will see a huge difference in performance. only a moderate improvement.

nice setup you got there.[/quote:b147a]

LOL!

He'll see a HUGE difference in performance.

Dual-Channel DDR400 capable board and he was using 333 or lower. Come
on...

Buy those sticks!

annoy:

moderate.

I was loving your system until I read the sound card :(

[quote="Short Hand":23590]I was loving your system until I read the sound card :([/quote:23590]

works fine for me biggrin:

Moderate gains at best IMO.

The xp2800 barton is only available in the 333fsb. So ignoring overclocking, ddr2700 is the best match, you will not realize any gains by getting faster ram than that. The motherboard is rated for 400fsb, but its bottlenecked by the cpu. Currently you are bottlenecked at your ram. It is running at the ddr 2100 speed or a front side bus (FSB) of 266. That is negating any advatage you have with the xp2800 (333fsb) and the fast (and nice) mobo (400fsb).

So by upping your ram speeds to a minimum of ddr2700, you will effctively be increasing your system fsb to 333 from 266. This will roughly equate to the difference between a xp2200 and an xp2500 333 - both run at a core freq. of 1800mhz with the fsb increase making the difference of the named speed. You might still wnat ot consider teh 3200 as I dont think its much more expensive than the ddr2700 if any at all.

BUT, (theres always a but) I am not sure how much difference the dual channel ddr will make and I cant be bothered to look it up right now. Maybe sloi can enlighten us on that or you could go search for benchmarks on tomhardware.com or somewhere similar. Just remember that (theoretically) ram that is twice as fast, still doesnt equate to a system that is twice as fast or twice the framerate. Its only part of the full picture.

I think this is all accurate as it is all off the top of my head, but feel free to point out any mistakes.

thanks pest, i appreciate it. i think i might just get the 333 then since i can get that for free from a friend that doesnt need it anymore

Get the 1GB kit of Kingston Hyper-x pc3200. it comes with 2 sticks of 512. they even got cool blue anadized heatspreaders. set that sucker in dual channel mode and your set. thats what im runnin currently

go here:

[url:3a9bb]http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-114&catalog=147&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1[/url:3a9bb]

Hah, I hadn't noticed your CPU FSB speed... in that case the improvement will be
moderate, but noticeable. Go for it, man.

I want money...Can i borrow some cash Himmler, you rich mother fucker. happy:

hey i worked for 6 months then worked at an office for a month and i havent spent any of my money and i wanna buy something. go work then get money then spend it. chump biggrin:

1 quick question..its possible to overclock my FBS right? i got liquid cooling so heat isnt really an issue. i tried overclocking before, but moh kept crashing when i did. any help there?

[quote="Short Hand":8e0ea]how in fuck are you currently mixing 2 diffrent type of ram speeds ?. It is impossible / Unstable. upgrade to 400mhz bus speed ram. corsair, oz , kingston, samsung even. high speed ram should not be cheap name brands. + how are you currently mixing 2 types ?[/quote:8e0ea]

i dont know, i just put them in and it works

Anyway... to answer youre question. Dual channel will make a huge difference in graphical applications. Not necessarily games... but large photoshop files, CAD/CAM, modeling etc...


Not exactly sure how dual channel works, but my benchmarks are though the roof with 2 GB of dual channel 3200

Yes, you can overclock your FSB. Your motherboard actually is one of the better ones out there for overclocking because it unlocks the multiplier as well as the FSB. If you were to overclock, the ddr3200 is better since it can go up to a fsb of 400 before it gets overclocked. That means you wouldnt need to mess with the voltages as you surpass the speed ratings. The barton cpu is also a good overclocker and the watercooling is a definate plus.

Overclocking is a risky thing though. Definatley read up on it a bit before you start and lurk on some of the overclocking forums. You will definately learn a bit about the architecture of your pc if you do. Baby steps is the way to move and with your mobo, a combo of bumpning up the fsb and the multiplier is the way to go, but I am not familiar with the specifics.

alright dude thanks, but i do have 1 more question/request...
can you go to http://www.outpost.com and find some good ram there that i could buy so i can just go pick it up at frys instead of ordering it from the net? thanks biggrin:

fsb cant be over clocked that is more like a hardware thing. fsb is how many connections there is to your cpu.

It's the speed at which information flows to and from your CPU.

You can boost the FSB but be careful not to overdo it because you might
end up having to acquire a new processor because of your carelessness ...

you CAN NOT over clock fsb. come on people dont be dumb. its how mant conection you have to cpu on mobo. you can not change that. end of story. get an a+ book reads and learn.

I'm not talking about physically augmenting the CPU FSB: that is not a
variable. What IS, however, is your motherboard's FSB. You can fuck w/
the multipliers and select a higher speed than originally permitted. Also
remember that most CPUs can go higher than their rated speed but are
locked so as to insure a stable system. You just need to insure proper
cooling of your hardware, lest you want them to overheat and die. O/Cing
is a reality: deal with it...

OMG you wow us all with your 1337 knowlegde of A+. Motherboards actually support a range of fsb speeds thru their bios but only advertise their stock speed.

Read here b00n.

http://www.ocforums.com/archive/thread/263753-1.html

Heres a nice long article that goes into much detail, but this page in particular should interest you:

http://www.tweaktown.com/document.php?d ... 76&dPage=3

Here is a whole page of articles that all refer to oveclocking the front side bus.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=U ... de&spell=1