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The CIA triggered a massive explosion in a Siberian natural gas pipeline in 1982 as part of covert American efforts to collapse the Soviet economy, according to a new account of the Cold War.

Exploiting Moscow's hankering for Western technology, the CIA allowed KGB agents to "steal" deliberately defective software that, after months of normal operation, went haywire. The resulting explosion was hushed up by both sides, even though it was the largest non nuclear blast to be picked up by spy satellites. Until they were let in on the secret, senior US officials thought that the Soviet authorities had tested a new nuclear device. The details are laid out for the first time in a new book, At the Abyss: An Insider's History of the Cold War, by Thomas Reed, a former Secretary of the Navy who was serving in America's National Security Council at the time.

In the 1970s, American Intelligence was aware that the Soviet Union was trying to steal technology secrets. Moscow had set up a KGB section called Directorate T dedicated to the task. But it was only in 1981 when Vladimir Vetrov, an engineer at Directorate T, came over to the French that the full extent of its success was known. President Mitterrand gave Colonel Vetrov's dossier to the CIA.

It confirmed that Moscow had succeeded in stealing valuable material on American radar, computers, machine tools and semiconductors. "Our science was supporting their national defence," Mr Reed said.

The documents, dubbed the Farewell dossier, also laid bare Moscow's priorities by including a KGB "shopping list", which the CIA then exploited. It included software to run pumps, turbines and valves. The CIA hatched a plan to allow the KGB to get its hands on doctored software that would operate normally for a reasonable period of time before malfunctioning. The plan was enthusiastically backed by President Reagan.

"While there were no physical casualties from the pipeline explosion, there was significant damage to the Soviet economy," Mr Reed said. "Its ultimate bankruptcy, not a bloody battle or nuclear exchange, is what brought the Cold War to an end."

nein

smells of usual CIA BS to me,
I know computers, buigged software can't make pipelines go boom, even if it did if anyone would have a manual cutoff it's the Soviets, they loved simplicity and sturdiness in their machines. (see T-34, IL-2, SU-25)

lol cool

I doubt it's bs, it's in quite a few national newspapers & the commies admitted it.

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":09070]I doubt it's bs[/quote:09070]

yeah, why would the government lie to us? oOo:

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/96unclass/farewell.htm

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/ar ... 2003097438

http://seclists.org/lists/isn/2004/Feb/0011.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1069799/posts

http://www.ocnus.net/cgi-bin/exec/view. ... &num=10082

http://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks ... 08258.html

http://www.cicentre.com/Documents/DOC_F ... ossier.htm

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/12-12- ... gi.65.html

& that's just a few.

[quote=Merlin122]yeah, why would the government lie to us?[/quote:8af55]
to keep people from complaining and making problems

BLEH BLEH cuss:

To many pro-commies on this board.... hake: You forget that almost every great soviet technology was stolen from the west, their bombers were ripped from us design, the t-34 was designed by an american, the ak47 despite was kalishnikov says is a rip of the mp44, their mig jet program was started by the british giving stalin a rolls royce merlin jet engine after the war, and the designs for their fighters were rips of german designs, and their biggest theft...they stole the secrets to the atomic bomb. The cold war basicly consited of the us developing a technology and the soviets attempting to steal it.

I think the plan was brilliant of the cia, they gave those thieving bastards what they deserved. And for those of you that doubt a computer program can't trigure an explosion....you must remember what the program was designed to do, in this case to monitor and control the release of gas valves at a petrol plant...hmm common sense dictates that if the software thats monitoring it goes kaput...then something bads gonna happen.

gg cia

so?

[quote="Cpl. Eames":cf6e5]To many pro-commies on this board.... hake: You forget that almost every great soviet technology was stolen from the west, their bombers were ripped from us design, the t-34 was designed by an american, the ak47 despite was kalishnikov says is a rip of the mp44, their mig jet program was started by the british giving stalin a rolls royce merlin jet engine after the war, and the designs for their fighters were rips of german designs, and their biggest theft...they stole the secrets to the atomic bomb. The cold war basicly consited of the us developing a technology and the soviets attempting to steal it.

I think the plan was brilliant of the cia, they gave those thieving bastards what they deserved. And for those of you that doubt a computer program can't trigure an explosion....you must remember what the program was designed to do, in this case to monitor and control the release of gas valves at a petrol plant...hmm common sense dictates that if the software thats monitoring it goes kaput...then something bads gonna happen.

gg cia[/quote:cf6e5]

sleeping:

^ imwithstupid:

[quote="Cpl. Eames":4b63c]To many pro-commies on this board.... hake: You forget that almost every great soviet technology was stolen from the west, their bombers were ripped from us design, the t-34 was designed by an american, the ak47 despite was kalishnikov says is a rip of the mp44, their mig jet program was started by the british giving stalin a rolls royce merlin jet engine after the war, and the designs for their fighters were rips of german designs, and their biggest theft...they stole the secrets to the atomic bomb. The cold war basicly consited of the us developing a technology and the soviets attempting to steal it.



gg cia[/quote:4b63c]


The ak-47 and stg-44 look similar but are very different internally. Can't forget about the americans stealing the flying wing technology from the germans or the m-60 (cough mg-42) from the germans either and fuck knows how many other things they stole.

A bomb courtesy of nazi scientists, their record swept clean.
ME262 technology to create early jets
All brit scientific secrets 1940

All countries steal from each other & then claim the glory for their own, check out everest, was it the brit guy who reached the top first or his sherper/sepoy from Nepal?

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":83429]A bomb courtesy of nazi scientists, their record swept clean.
ME262 technology to create early jets
All brit scientific secrets 1940

All countries steal from each other & then claim the glory for their own, check out everest, was it the brit guy who reached the top first or his sherper/sepoy from Nepal?[/quote:83429]

sepoy's dont count...all glory to that goes to briton

[quote="Cpl. Eames":5abea][quote="Fluffy_Bunny":5abea]A bomb courtesy of nazi scientists, their record swept clean.
ME262 technology to create early jets
All brit scientific secrets 1940

All countries steal from each other & then claim the glory for their own, check out everest, was it the brit guy who reached the top first or his sherper/sepoy from Nepal?[/quote:5abea]

sepoy's dont count...all glory to that goes to briton[/quote:5abea]

and why is that? Just because they live there doesn't mean they can't be credited

[quote="Cpl. Eames":b1f55]To many pro-commies on this board.... hake: You forget that almost every great soviet technology was stolen from the west, their bombers were ripped from us design, the t-34 was designed by an american, the ak47 despite was kalishnikov says is a rip of the mp44, their mig jet program was started by the british giving stalin a rolls royce merlin jet engine after the war, and the designs for their fighters were rips of german designs, and their biggest theft...they stole the secrets to the atomic bomb. The cold war basicly consited of the us developing a technology and the soviets attempting to steal it.

I think the plan was brilliant of the cia, they gave those thieving bastards what they deserved. And for those of you that doubt a computer program can't trigure an explosion....you must remember what the program was designed to do, in this case to monitor and control the release of gas valves at a petrol plant...hmm common sense dictates that if the software thats monitoring it goes kaput...then something bads gonna happen.

gg cia[/quote:b1f55]

you fucking n00b,
the T-34's SUSPENSION was based on the Christie design,
but look at an original Christie tank and the T-34 and tell me anyone they are alike, they'll think you are blind. The T-34s innovation was it's sloped armor (when all POS kraut tanks looked like rolling boxes) and relatively big 76mm cannon (again while krauts used a 37mm AT gun and a 75mm/24 cal stubby infantry support gun).
The AK-47 uses a totally different mechanism than the STG-44.
What about the IS-2 and IL-2, who do you think those designes were "stolen" from???

Why exctly is anyone that praises Russian innovations a "commie lover"???
Do you know that one of the first 4 engine aircraft was designed by the great Russian plane designer Sikorsky, who later became America's premiere helicopter designer?

[quote="Cpl. Eames":3b7ac]To many pro-commies on this board.... hake: You forget that almost every great soviet technology was stolen from the west, their bombers were ripped from us design, the t-34 was designed by an american, the ak47 despite was kalishnikov says is a rip of the mp44, their mig jet program was started by the british giving stalin a rolls royce merlin jet engine after the war, and the designs for their fighters were rips of german designs, and their biggest theft...they stole the secrets to the atomic bomb. The cold war basicly consited of the us developing a technology and the soviets attempting to steal it.

I think the plan was brilliant of the cia, they gave those thieving bastards what they deserved. And for those of you that doubt a computer program can't trigure an explosion....you must remember what the program was designed to do, in this case to monitor and control the release of gas valves at a petrol plant...hmm common sense dictates that if the software thats monitoring it goes kaput...then something bads gonna happen.

gg cia[/quote:3b7ac]


Eames ,

You are a little off-track there man.

Pick up a book called " The Main Enemy " By Milt Bearden and James Risen.
Pay close attention to a man named Adolf Tolkachev.

I think you will discover that Soviet design was two steps ahead of us the whole time until this Russian scientist stepped forward.

For instance :

In 1979 the US Air Force completely reversed direction on a $70 million electronics pakage for the F-15 to counter the MiG-29s advanced radar system.

Several Research and Defence projects were scrapped after Tolkachev's intel was provided to the Pentegon , because they were 5 years behind Soviet Technology.

The book also shows how the KGB had many counter-intelligence agents working through the cold war and eventulally eliminated every CIA agent in Moscow.

Awsome book.

The CIA agents in moscow were eliminated because of an american traitor who revealed all of their names to the reds.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":2adb2]The CIA agents in moscow were eliminated because of an american traitor who revealed all of their names to the reds.[/quote:2adb2]

Shouldn't have been there in the first place then should they?

just for the record,
I do sort of like the commies, why?
because without them as an arch-nemesis we would not have the science and technology advances that were the result of the Cold War.
Our government got its head out of its ass and funding the military and science properly after WWII and then for the Cold War.

If not for the Cold War most of our country would still be a bunch of religiously blissfully ignorant rednecks. It was the threat of the USSR that led to taxpayer-funded military developments which later led to private-sector technologies, such as PCs and GPS. In order to achieve and keep technological superiority the US spent much money on EDUCATION and SCIENCE.

We could go so far as to say that the Cold War averted WWIII, the Marshall plan (a counter against Communist expansion) rebuilt a Democratic Germany after WWII, rather than a punished and vengeful Germany like after WWI.

What I see now is that without a major nemesis (face it Osama and company are a marginal threat with hardly any technology and no technical expertise) our government (mainly Republicans) are content with giving the rich tax cuts and cutting education and programs such as the National Science Foundation (NSF) which gives grants for scientific and technological research. Unless we see another big bad foe (Red China maybe) we will regress from the number one spot in technology.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":fd1c8][quote="Fluffy_Bunny":fd1c8]A bomb courtesy of nazi scientists, their record swept clean.
ME262 technology to create early jets
All brit scientific secrets 1940

All countries steal from each other & then claim the glory for their own, check out everest, was it the brit guy who reached the top first or his sherper/sepoy from Nepal?[/quote:fd1c8]

sepoy's dont count...all glory to that goes to briton[/quote:fd1c8]

Edmund Hillary is a New Zealander, he isn't at all British. oOo:

[quote=Tripper][quote="Cpl. Eames":4ec69]sepoy's dont count...all glory to that goes to briton[/quote:4ec69]

Edmund Hillary is a New Zealander, he isn't at all British. oOo:[/quote:4ec69]

that's eames and his messed up statements for ya

[quote=Tripper][quote="Cpl. Eames":2802d]sepoy's dont count...all glory to that goes to briton[/quote:2802d]

Edmund Hillary is a New Zealander, he isn't at all British. oOo:[/quote:2802d]

My mistake, damn now i feel clever lol rolleyes:

The flying wing design(Northrop's XB-35) was developed in the 30s roughly the same time as the GO-229 (though they got the GO-229 prototypes finished before the US did, the GO-229 was much less complicated then the huge XB-35 (and later the XB-36, with jet engines))

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