Assault rifle.. why is it labeled "assault" ?
 

I've always wanted to know why they called them "assault" rifles and what classifies a rifle as a assault rifle? is it because of the caliber of the round or what??

isnt it because rifles were things like the mauser where you would not dare assault with, but then came the STG and it had the power of the rifle but with the ability to assault like an smg? i dunno...

Re: Assault rifle.. why is it labeled "assault" ?
 

[quote="Zap. USMC":81684]I've always wanted to know why they called them "assault" rifles and what classifies a rifle as a assault rifle? is it because of the caliber of the round or what??[/quote:81684]

I can answer this one because I'm a renowned historian.

I think it goes back to WW2 when US soldiers used to carry food rations with them. The bags in which they carried their condiments were poorly made and constantly burst whilst the American soldiers marched. On many occasions the condiments ended up spilling on the rifles and the soldiers got great pleasure from sucking the barrels of their weapons. When troops from other nations spotted the US soldiers sucking their guns they would often ask "What's that you've got there?" The reply was, more often than not, "A salt rifle".

This later got corrupted to the current term; "Assault Rifle".

mixed capability of a rifle and smg, making it a rifle capable of smg capabilities etc etc.

ITs called an assault rifle cause you can assault people with it happy:

Re: Assault rifle.. why is it labeled "assault" ?
 

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":5296a][quote="Zap. USMC":5296a]I've always wanted to know why they called them "assault" rifles and what classifies a rifle as a assault rifle? is it because of the caliber of the round or what??[/quote:5296a]

I can answer this one because I'm a renowned historian.

I think it goes back to WW2 when US soldiers used to carry food rations with them. The bags in which they carried their condiments were poorly made and constantly burst whilst the American soldiers marched. On many occasions the condiments ended up spilling on the rifles and the soldiers got great pleasure from sucking the barrels of their weapons. When troops from other nations spotted the US soldiers sucking their guns they would often ask "What's that you've got there?" The reply was, more often than not, "A salt rifle".

This later got corrupted to the current term; "Assault Rifle".[/quote:5296a]

lmao...

Sturmgewehr meant assault rifle literally, thats the first incarnation of the term assault rifle, think its because its a cross between an smg and a rifle round, hasn;t the range of the rifle, but has as may rounds as the smg with a larger calibre.

So I'm guessing the bAR was an assault rifle as well.

[quote="Infection_Smith@":2ea41]So I'm guessing the bAR was an assault rifle as well.[/quote:2ea41]

Nope, bar wasn't designed for what the stg-44 was. Bar was more of a gun for a base of fire.

Then tell me exactly why is it called the "Browning Assault Rifle"?

It isnt, it is called the "Browning Automatic Rifle" biggrin:

[quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":8f97f]Then tell me exactly why is it called the "Browning Assault Rifle"?[/quote:8f97f]

Wrong..

Browning Automatic Rifle

[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":2ee71][quote="[GDC]_Polemarcus":2ee71]Then tell me exactly why is it called the "Browning Assault Rifle"?[/quote:2ee71]

Wrong..

Browning Automic Rifle[/quote:2ee71]automatic

YUO SPEEELED IT WRON U FAGZ!

I think I prefer "automic"... sounds sexier.

AFROFLDJ.

I believe the name came from liberal gun haters who wanted to give certain guns a bad reputation by attaching the name assault to these particular firearms. I have a couple of these myself. Attached is a pic.


[img]http://www.dmaclan.com/photopost/data/500/21DSCF0001-med.JPG[/img]



The top one is a HK-91 which fires a .308 rifle round. This is the same round used in a M-14 and a popular round used this area for deer hunting.

The second one which is somewhat obvious. It is a type of AK-47 called a VEPR. This one is the carbine model and it fires a round chambered in 7.62*39

No cmelton... It wasnt liberals.

Gerv was correct when he said that it was the literal german translation of Sturmgewehr. The term came from shinking the rifle round to reduce recoil making it easier to fire at higher rates, more accuratly. Instead of a long range rifle rounds, or short range SMG rounds the assualt round made trade offs from each to be a medium range weapon.

lol

The term "Sturmgewehr" is translated to mean "STORM RIFLE". The German translation for "Assault" is actually "ANGRIFF". While it is true that the MP44 was and is considered to be the grandaddy of all, so called, assault rifles. It is by no means a "SUBGUN". This firearm utilized the 7.92 caliber "RIFLE" ammunition which is definately not pistol ammunition.
The Third Reich developed a system of warfare called "Blitzkrieg" which literally meant "Lightening War". This tactic was employed among the infantry, armored divisions and luftwaffe. The whole concept was offensive in nature and designed to deliver a quick catastrophic blow to the enemy. The MP44 was a product of this system of fighting as it was generally issued to the German paratroopers ("sturmtroopers"). It's design was ingenius even by todays standards. The concept was to arm the surgical strike soldier with a fast strike weapon that could deliver a large amount of fire but be carried and maintained by one man unlike the MG43 belt fed MG.
I believe one would be hard pressed to prove that the term "Assault Weapon" was invented by the Germans of WWII but it was the introduction of the MP44 that brought about the concept. The term was never heard of until Sarah Brady of HCI, Bill Clinton and other noted liberals started using it to drum up support for the 1994 Assault weapons ban. This term was later used extensively by the liberal media to add shock value to their cause.
In closing I will leave you with this thought. If you have a hammer you simply have a tool used to drive a nail. However, if you use that hammer to assault someone you now have an assault weapon.

Youre using a dictionary, arent you?
The pracitical translation of Sturm, when used along with the word Gewehr, is assault. Kind of like "storm the fort", or w/e.
Angriff means Attack, not assault.
And be quite you, i dont think you know shit about European history.

:EDIT: And i hope you know that guns named AR[Your number of choice here] has existed since long before 1994.

Go to Colt's website who makes the AR line of rifles and show me where it is advertised as Assault rifle before 1994.

BTW wasn't Sweden germany's little bitch anyway?

Germans didn't even Invade Sweden.

Because they didn't need to as Sweden cut a deal with the Germans.

Assault weapon
Assault weapon or "assault-style weapon" is a nebulous term used in the United States by public officials, media, and gun-control proponents as a dysphemism to refer to any firearms they consider inappropriate for civilian ownership or look particulary menacing. Congress has frequently changed and discussed changing the definition of the term.
Many (but not all) assault weapons share these characteristics:

Semiautomatic rifle, pistol, or shotgun
Ability to accept a detachable magazine
Rapidity of fire due to large magazine capacity
Medium power ammunition
Suitability for law enforcement or military use
Military-style appearance, including features that are of dubious utility to private citizens, such as a grenade launcher even though the actual grenade is not available to civilians.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives defines an "Assault Weapon" (for a rifle) as any semi-automatic rifle with the capability to accept two or more of the following features:

Folding or telescopic stock
Pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the stock
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor or threaded barrel
Grenade launcher

For a pistol as any semi-automatic pistol which has the ability to accept a removeable magazine, and has two or more of the following features:

Magazine that attaches outside of the pistol grip
Threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer*
Shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned
Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded
Semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm

This ban leaves many gray areas, and has no exemption for collectors.
The frequent and erroneous use of the term assault rifle by media and gun control supporters when reporting on or discussing assault weapons has produced a popular and intentional misconception that assault weapons are fully-automatic machine guns. The terms are used interchangeably in an effort to confuse the less-informed public and to get them to oppose "assault-style" firearms.

Assault weapons and their owners are frequently criticized by certain disarmament groups such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Million Mom March, and other organizations. Those who would own assault weapons often cite novelty, collectibility, riot control, and civil defense as justification. Those who would outlaw assault weapons cite cultural utilitarianism and other societal justifications such as public safety from a perceived threat to stability presented by private ownership of assault weapons.

Many countries prohibit or heavily restrict the ownership of true assault rifles by private citizens.

See also: assault weapons ban, assault rifle

So Colt has a world-copyright on the AR?

No, they tried to invade us. But we got ahead of them and surrendered on prehand, to cut the losses of men. We fought our own Guerilla war instead, pansyboy.
Come over here and ill teach you some Scandinavian history, heck ill even show you the places where we hid the jews from the germans, and how we helped Norweigan refugees to get across the border and lve in a SAFE world.
Yes, i know we declared our neutrality, just as weve done hundreds of times before (and after).
But you cant be neutral in something like this. We had the germans occupying denmark to the south, the germans occupying Norway to the north and west, plus the germanfriendly Finland and the big ol' USSR to our east.

We declared neutral in the OIF aswell, but it didnt stop you yanks from coming crawling to buy our AT's, did it?

But thats OT, we are discussing the use of the term Sturmgewehr now.

Who are you calling a pansyboy?

NEIN! the Germans coined it, Sturmgewehr = assault rifle

the Soviets just called the AK "Avtomat" for automatic rifle

MP43/StG44 not MP44

an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?

[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":ec82b]MP43/StG44 not MP44[/quote:ec82b]


Thank you for clearing that up for me as I am sure the whole community was confused at my typo.

we stormed the fort, we assaulted the fort smart one. thkz you silencve for showign him beer:

on another note i see this maybe happening soon.



Yuo have a problem with responsible gun ownership or the second amendment? !!??!??!?!??!
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oh SNAP! Here it comes! baa boom.

But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol

on't they use a short rifle round type or some shit ?

[quote="Zap. USMC":3d9e2]But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol[/quote:3d9e2]

larger calibur of bullets.

[quote=cmelton]
Thank you for clearing that up for me as I am sure the whole community was confused at my typo.[/quote:f6459]

I know I felt the same way about them being confused when I read it to. Well I'm glad I have dont my part to help everyone understand better

SMGs use pistol ammo, .45, 9mm, assault rifles use larger rounds not usable in pistols.

[quote="Zap. USMC":5464e]But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol[/quote:5464e]

Shit boy you stirred up the bee's nest all to learn why its classified an Assault rifle not SMG? Well hell, thats simple, and i explained in my last post.

SMG - Small/"stubby" round typically a handgun round. Used for close combat, completly inaccurate and useless at long range. compairitably light recoil. (9mm - .45)

Assault Rifle - Medium round/Shortened rifle round. Good for medium ranges, with loss of effect at long ranges. Medium recoil. (5.56)

Rifle - Large round, long range with high accuracy. High recoil. (7.62)

Basically they took what they liked about the SMG, which was its high rate of fire. Then shortened a rifle round to reduce recoil while maintaining the bullet size. So there was less powder, meaning less range, but also less recoil. This ment troops could have a greater combat range, with the option for close combat. This change mostly came about because the standard issue rifles of WW2 had large rounds that could reach 800+ meters but the average combat distance was only 300 or so. The smaller round fit perfectly to solve alot of problems and was simply a natural pergression in firearms.

The ammo sizes noted here are just some common types, used for examples.

[quote=Miscguy]Shit boy you stirred up the bee's nest all to learn why its classified an Assault rifle not SMG? Well hell, thats simple, and i explained in my last post.

SMG - Small/"stubby" round typically a handgun round. Used for close combat, completly inaccurate and useless at long range. compairitably light recoil. (9mm - .45)

Assault Rifle - Medium round/Shortened rifle round. Good for medium ranges, with loss of effect at long ranges. Medium recoil. (5.56)

Rifle - Large round, long range with high accuracy. High recoil. (7.62)

Basically they took what they liked about the SMG, which was its high rate of fire. Then shortened a rifle round to reduce recoil while maintaining the bullet size. So there was less powder, meaning less range, but also less recoil. This ment troops could have a greater combat range, with the option for close combat. This change mostly came about because the standard issue rifles of WW2 had large rounds that could reach 800+ meters but the average combat distance was only 300 or so. The smaller round fit perfectly to solve alot of problems and was simply a natural pergression in firearms.

The ammo sizes noted here are just some common types, used for examples.[/quote:4e634]


by your definition, neither of the rifles that I posted earlier in this thread are assault rifles. I disagree.